categories vs products

[eog]

You are not listening?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wi..._gc.r_pw.&fp=57ec33848115ad35&biw=939&bih=541

Earl

lol i'm not listening? lol

a) That is not an exact match domain
b) That does not show a .biz out ranking a .com with the same seo carried out

and i was thinking you were one of the more intelligent guys on this forum, hilarious stuff this

 

[MASSEY]

No, not at all.

Like I said I've done 1000s of tests, blog commenting just doesn't work.

Share a site you've done blog commenting that ranks anywhere?

Blog commenting does work. I have used do follow blogs before and they worked at increasing the page in the serps. Only weak competition but im shocked anyone who has done "1000s" of "tests" comes to that conclusion...

Maybe all yours were no follow blogs.

 

[MASSEY]

Earl, once again you are completly missing the point. You seem to think that im saying that you cannot rank a .biz, you can of course rank a .biz, however a .com exact match will smash a .biz out of the park every day of the week

You would have to put a hell of a lot more work ranking the .biz than you would for its .com counterpart

I have come to the conclusion Earl likes to spread false information as a form of propaganda to stop people from doing their own seo.

 

lol i'm not listening? lol

a) That is not an exact match domain
b) That does not show a .biz out ranking a .com with the same seo carried out

and i was thinking you were one of the more intelligent guys on this forum, hilarious stuff this

How can I be intelligent I am an SEO?

The debate was about whether a .com had an advantage in the SERP's over other domain extensions..

Google states not.

Now pay attention in the back and stop trying to score points in an area you seem to have little knowledge of?

Earl

 

[MatLamont]

I was gonna start a thread because i require SEO services from someone but i know it will just explode into an argument, i need grown ups to work with

 

[Ali-v-8]

There is something wrong when people contradict each other with out simple checks.
Take these Urls poker.com,poker.co.uk,poker.biz,poker.net, poker.biz
Search poker on googlecom

# 2 www.poker.com
# 27 www.poker.net
# 32 www.poker.co.uk

Same search done on googlecouk

# 17 www.poker.co.uk
# 30 www.poker.net

What happened to .com

And sorry but where is .net

it helps to have an exact match url but if it aint got a good SEO behind it you have just wasted your money.

 

[eog]

There is something wrong when people contradict each other with out simple checks.
Take these Urls poker.com,poker.co.uk,poker.biz,poker.net, poker.biz
Search poker on googlecom

# 2 www.poker.com
# 27 www.poker.net
# 32 www.poker.co.uk

Same search done on googlecouk

# 17 www.poker.co.uk
# 30 www.poker.net

What happened to .com

And sorry but where is .net

it helps to have an exact match url but if it aint got a good SEO behind it you have just wasted your money.

I agree with what you are saying. An exact match is not going to rank itself. The argument is wether a .com exact match would rank higher than a .biz exact given the same seo carried out on both domains.

Earl as per usual is blowing hot air and moving the goal posts.........

 

I agree with what you are saying. An exact match is not going to rank itself. The argument is wether a .com exact match would rank higher than a .biz exact given the same seo carried out on both domains.

Earl as per usual is blowing hot air and moving the goal posts.........

well in that unlikely scenario they should in theory rank next to each other.

But which one would be the highest?:|

Matt Cutts has said on many occasions that extensions do not affect ranking.

Now you either think Matt is full of crap or not.

But my vast experience in this area tell me that he is telling the truth.

Earl

 

[Ali-v-8]

Sorry but my post backs what earl Is saying.
Buying a .com will not get you higher ranking than another domain as a preference

 

[eog]

well in that unlikely scenario they should in theory rank next to each other.

But which one would be the highest?:|

Matt Cutts has said on many occasions that extensions do not affect ranking.

Now you either think Matt is full of crap or not.

But my vast experience in this area tell me that he is telling the truth.

Earl

ok so now you are saying that an exact match domain name does not affect rankings at all? wow earl make up your mind, one minute your saying an exact match .biz extenion has its ranking benefits and the next you are saying it doesnt carry any weight at all.

amazing, whatever will you come up with next

 

[-Joe-]

Only Matt Cutts statement and my own experience.

http://www.realwebseo.com/web-design/how-to-choose-the-best-domain-name-for-seo

Earl

I'm sorry, but Matt Cutts is essentially just a mouthpiece for Google. 50% of what he spews is absolute b****cks. I would never listen to him for any SEO advice. As to your own experience, unless you have ranked thousands (or have a tool that has analysed 10s of thousands of search results) of sites in the past few month, it's pretty impossible to tell, as for all we know the difference between domains could be pretty small, but still a difference. The only real way to know is doing a case study (which I'll do at some point in the future).

Joe

You haven't answered it. You are still making assumptions.

You don't know the products, you don't know the site and you don't know the competition. How you can say buying blog comments will get the site to page 1 and probably number 1 without knowing the bigger picture is stupid and irresponsible.

Hence why I said likely, and only 90% rather than 100%. I've ranked for plenty of products in the past, and while they often have a decent amount of domain authority, the page authority is generally crap. Provided the onpage is spot-on, I stand by my statement that 90% would likely rank on the first page.

There you go laddie-from the horses mouth.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...um/285826-ranking-lesser-used-extensions.html

Earl

Warrior forum? I'm sorry, but that place is the biggest jokes on the internet. I go there when I need a laugh.

This guy is well respected there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4RSV3BPTIQ

You are not listening?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wi..._gc.r_pw.&fp=57ec33848115ad35&biw=939&bih=541

Earl

Huh? Just cause a .biz ranks first doesn't mean anything in regards to exact match power.

Joe

 

[eog]

Sorry but my post backs what earl Is saying.
Buying a .com will not get you higher ranking than another domain as a preference

we are talking about exact match domains and whether an exact match .com would rank higher than an exact match .biz given the same seo treatment..............

we are not talking about if a random .com will rank higher than a random .biz

 

ok so now you are saying that an exact match domain name does not affect rankings at all? wow earl make up your mind, one minute your saying an exact match .biz extenion has its ranking benefits and the next you are saying it doesnt carry any weight at all.

amazing, whatever will you come up with next

I supect you may need to pop down to specsavers ,not sure if they do hearing aids as well?

Mind you you do sound a bit young for poor eyesight.

Earl

 

[eog]

I supect you may need to pop down to specsavers ,not sure if they do hearing aids as well?

Mind you you do sound a bit young for poor eyesight.

Earl

says the grandpa of the forum, out with the old, in with the new - anything under 40 is young in your eyes, so i take that as a complement

 

[JohnnyCash]

Mind letting me know what sites you've ranked? The site in my sig I got to the top of the second page in under a month, in the US. (Didn't attempt to rank in the UK, advertising standards doesn't let you use the term bad credit) That term gets 100k exact searches a month, and the entire first page is optimized for the term. All at least 6 years of domain age, and 2k+ backlinks to the URL, and most have 15k+ domain backlinks. I was also on the first page for a bit.

....

These are just a couple of examples of my SEO portfolio. Now, how about you?

Middle of page 3 for me from USA ip's. Imo, a page 3 ranking for a 6 word phrase isn't a good opening gambit in a willy waving contest

Because if you ranked say, #1, you'd get a rough minimum of 40% of the searches per month clicking on the site. 40% of (this month's exact searches: 61k) 61k is 24.4k visits.

Assume even a very modest 1% CVR: 244 conversions.

244*$70=$17k/month gross. = $204k/year

Your numbers are massively wrong.

If that search volume is correct and you ranked first, you'd make several million dollars a year. Your CVR is massively out.

 

[-Joe-]

Middle of page 3 for me from USA ip's. Imo, a page 3 ranking for a 6 word phrase isn't a good opening gambit in a willy waving contest

Correct. As I said a few pages ago though, I haven't touched the cpanel/wordpress/done anything to it, SEO related or not in at least a couple of months. The ranking's dropped. Before, it was dancing between the top of page 2, and halfway up page 1. And if you look, even though it's a 6 word phrase, since it's the finance niche, it's ultra-competitive, and as such, the whole 1st page is optimized for that term.

Your numbers are massively wrong.

If that search volume is correct and you ranked first, you'd make several million dollars a year. Your CVR is massively out.

I know. Hence why I said incredibly modest CVR. It'd be more likely you'd be getting 5-10%, maybe more. I was illustrating a point, that even with an ultra-crappy website, with a totally terrible CVR would still make some great profit ranking #1. It was basically to get him to put his money where his mouth was, because it was quite obvious that he was either just a forum jockey who'd never done any SEO in his life, or someone who'd only ranked for tiny, uncompetitive terms.

 

[JohnnyCash]

If you were half way up page 1... you'd have been making more than a thousand dollars a day. Why did you let it fall away?

 

[-Joe-]

If you were half way up page 1... you'd have been making more than a thousand dollars a day. Why did you let it fall away?

I'll probably come back to it in a month or so. My current project is a site (bought the exact match .info for $2 hehe) that I'm trying to rank for a much easier 2 word term, with 100k exacts and 500k phrase match a month, and is a physical product. I'll make £30 commissions per sale. I've also got an exact match for one of the top 3 most searched weight loss terms, but I may rank that after I've got the loans site where I want it.

 

[Chunkford]

It was basically to get him to put his money where his mouth was, because it was quite obvious that he was either just a forum jockey who'd never done any SEO in his life, or someone who'd only ranked for tiny, uncompetitive terms.

Think what you want. I'm here to offer proper, meaningful advice and to help people I feel genuinely need it, especially when I feel they may be lead a stray.

I'm not here to massage my ego like you, and spout off crap results I think are amazing. We all know #1 and the magical #2 indentation is the pace to be, not top of page 2 and occasionally page 1 (and now half way up page 1).

All your posts are all if, maybe, assume, according, should.... etc doesn't that say a lot?
But yet your quite happy to offer assertive advice on questions asked by the community, which at the end of the day you don't know the full picture about. Theses are people who need proper advice as their lively hoods depend on it NOT with if, maybe, assume, according, should.... etc

If any body who knows what SEO is about, would look at your site and realise you have a canonical issues, and you signature if far from perfect!

Enough is enough.

 

[MASSEY]

I agree with most of what Joe says to be fair. Although like said i wouldn't willy wave having an eight word exact match on page 3 with a bunch of low quality links.

I have a 8 word phrase related to payday loans on page 2 with just the phrase in the url and 500 words on the page on a .co.uk domain with no backlinks to the page.

I think this shows why even an exact match .biz struggles because it's not a great extension.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Like my example proved. Your theory is wrong.
And also pointless - no one will create two exact matching ebsites to every prove this point because which ever one is cached and indexed first will make the other redundant.
however if your right, creating two exact website equally on two differing tld and letting them get cached "then" launching a .com version may be a month later, without updating the originals - that would be the test.
If your right the .com will leapfrog

we are talking about exact match domains and whether an exact match .com would rank higher than an exact match .biz given the same seo treatment..............

we are not talking about if a random .com will rank higher than a random .biz