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    I'm redoing my whole site and I'm wondering where I should start updating first. 22 categories and around 500 products. I'm thinking I should do the SEO for the categories before I do each individual product page. To me it makes more sense doing it this way as then the categories are sorted and that sort of covers the products under each category. Then work on each product. Or would I be better off doing the products first?
     
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    I'm in the same boat but feel doing the categories first makes more sense. By building links into the category pages will pass page rank to your products, giving newly launced products to rank easier. My 2 pence...
     
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    If you have some best sellers out of the 500 (maybe 5-10 products) that make up a significant part of your total profits (80-20 rule), you could give them special treatment by doing them first.

    That way you'll still be getting sales from them while you do the rest of the site beginning from the categories.

    'Special treatment' could include a direct listing in the navigation (ie not nested in a category), highly optimised landing pages with backlinks or even large product shots/heavy promotion on the homepage (if appropriate).

    Just a suggestion :)
     
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    WebTrust said:
    Blog comments do naff all, unfortunately.
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    Whatever you want to believe.
    Chunkford said:
    I've heard it all now :rolleyes:
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    Mind letting me know what sites you've ranked? The site in my sig I got to the top of the second page in under a month, in the US. (Didn't attempt to rank in the UK, advertising standards doesn't let you use the term bad credit) That term gets 100k exact searches a month, and the entire first page is optimized for the term. All at least 6 years of domain age, and 2k+ backlinks to the URL, and most have 15k+ domain backlinks. I was also on the first page for a bit.

    I'd be ranking first right now, but a person I hired for something did the job incorrectly and got me sandboxed for a month. It's back, now, though, and once I've got my latest project to number 1 (500k searches a month, £30 commission for every product ordered) I'll come back to the loans site.

    These are just a couple of examples of my SEO portfolio. Now, how about you? ;)

    And, mind explaining why you think the basic SEO strategy I outlined for the OP's site wouldn't work?
     
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    -Joe- said:
    Whatever you want to believe.
    Mind letting me know what sites you've ranked?
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    Yes I do mind, I’m not here for a **** measuring exercise.


    The site in my sig I got to the top of the second page in under a month, in the US. (Didn't attempt to rank in the UK, advertising standards doesn't let you use the term bad credit) That term gets 100k exact searches a month, and the entire first page is optimized for the term. All at least 6 years of domain age, and 2k+ backlinks to the URL, and most have 15k+ domain backlinks. I was also on the first page for a bit.

    I'd be ranking first right now, but a person I hired for something did the job incorrectly and got me sandboxed for a month. It's back, now, though, and once I've got my latest project to number 1 (500k searches a month, £30 commission for every product ordered) I'll come back to the loans site.
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    Hey, congrats on trying to rank an exact match keyworded domain on page 2.
    Credit where credits due.


    And, mind explaining why you think the basic SEO strategy I outlined for the OP's site wouldn't work?
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    I didn’t say it wouldn’t work, but making a sweeping statement that it would likely guarantee page 1 and probably number #1 for most of their products is plain crazy and misleading without knowing the facts first.
     
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    I own scrape box, I have private proxies, I've done masses of experimenting with different volumes, types and footprints.

    None work. I wish it did because blog commenting is so easy, but it doesn't.

    Like the above post says, exact match usually ends up on page one without any SEO...

    erm...I just checked your page isn't within the first 6 pages of Google US. I didn't look even further back.



    -Joe- said:
    Whatever you want to believe.

    Mind letting me know what sites you've ranked? The site in my sig I got to the top of the second page in under a month, in the US. (Didn't attempt to rank in the UK, advertising standards doesn't let you use the term bad credit) That term gets 100k exact searches a month, and the entire first page is optimized for the term. All at least 6 years of domain age, and 2k+ backlinks to the URL, and most have 15k+ domain backlinks. I was also on the first page for a bit.

    I'd be ranking first right now, but a person I hired for something did the job incorrectly and got me sandboxed for a month. It's back, now, though, and once I've got my latest project to number 1 (500k searches a month, £30 commission for every product ordered) I'll come back to the loans site.

    These are just a couple of examples of my SEO portfolio. Now, how about you? ;)

    And, mind explaining why you think the basic SEO strategy I outlined for the OP's site wouldn't work?
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    Chunkford said:
    Yes I do mind, I’m not here for a **** measuring exercise.
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    Read as: I have no real experience, I just like arguing about things I have no idea about.



    Chunkford said:
    Hey, congrats on trying to rank an exact match keyworded domain on page 2.
    Credit where credits due.
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    Onto page 1 for a week or so. Against a bunch of authority sites specifically targeting that term.

    Chunkford said:
    I didn’t say it wouldn’t work, but making a sweeping statement that it would likely guarantee page 1 and probably number #1 for most of their products is plain crazy and misleading without knowing the facts first.
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    Individual products are generally such low competition that a site that you've built to have a reasonably high domain authority with a decent amount of medium quality links towards the individual pages is gonna almost certainly have those ranking 90% on the first page.
    WebTrust said:
    I own scrape box, I have private proxies, I've done masses of experimenting with different volumes, types and footprints.

    None work. I wish it did because blog commenting is so easy, but it doesn't.

    Like the above post says, exact match usually ends up on page one without any SEO...

    erm...I just checked your page isn't within the first 6 pages of Google US. I didn't look even further back.
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    I also own scrapebox, and plenty of private proxies. Perhaps your list is moderately low quality? I agree, that a scrapebox blast mostly consisting of PR0s is probably worthless.

    And tell that to all the people ranking below me. They usually rank on first page for easy terms. That is definitely not an easy term.

    And yeah, it dropped a few days ago. I literally haven't done anything to it in months, not even logged into the cpanel/wordpress, which is why, since I'm working on more profitable ventures. for the moment. It won't be a problem getting it back there though.
     
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    I'm not big into outing so I'm not sharing the site, but there's a site I'm against that appears to have it's pages ranking just on exact match comment spamming, so it does work imo.

    These aren't for massively competitive keywords but they're results none the less.
     
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    Wow what a thread - so much aggression lol its like road rage online!

    I must say I disagree when people say there is no value in something such as blog commenting. Maybe not on it own but some decent Page Rank blogs that are on topic...dont see why not - I'd prefer to have the link than not to :)

    Each to their own though - my opinion is diversification in link building from blog posts, forums, directories, articles, social media, social bookmark etc. And try and keep it all topic related as best you can. Simples.
     
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    WebTrust said:
    You seem to be missing something.

    Exact match rank whatever you do, they don't even need SEO.
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    Ok, well I happen to have http://www.loansforpeoplewithbadcredit.me.

    I haven't done anything to it, and the term gets 100k searches a month and earns $70 per lead.

    That should be pretty profitable to rank on the first page, and since it's so easy, it shouldn't be a problem for you. Want to buy it from me?

    ;)
     
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    I have 140 domains, why would I want yours?

    If I want more domains, I'll buy them and they wont be in some leach industry.

    100k searches? what are you talking about? this figure seems to be as much of a fairy tale as your rankings.
     
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    WebTrust said:
    I have 140 domains, why would I want yours?

    If I want more domains, I'll buy them and they wont be in some leach industry.

    100k searches? what are you talking about? this figure seems to be as much of a fairy tale as your rankings.
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    Because if you ranked say, #1, you'd get a rough minimum of 40% of the searches per month clicking on the site. 40% of (this month's exact searches: 61k) 61k is 24.4k visits.

    Assume even a very modest 1% CVR: 244 conversions.

    244*$70=$17k/month gross. = $204k/year

    @the 100k searches, as I'm sure you know, as an established SEO, and not some person who just spends their time reading forums.. the google keyword tool searches are updated every month, and change every month, according to buying patterns. At December/January, for example, the market for short term loans goes way up, and that keyword gets well over 100k searches a month during that period.


    Offer's still on - wanna put your money where your mouth is? ;)
     
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    As I said, no I don't want to buy your domain I have enough of my own and when I buy more they wont be in leach industries.

    The Keyword tool is not updated per month, it's last 12 months traffic / 12.

    Why don't you put your rankings where your mouth is? instead of failing to get within the first 100 or so pages of Google.

    Go use your blog comments.
     
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    WebTrust said:
    As I said, no I don't want to buy your domain I have enough of my own and when I buy more they wont be in leach industries.

    The Keyword tool is not updated per month, it's last 12 months traffic / 12.

    Why don't you put your rankings where your mouth is? instead of failing to get within the first 100 or so pages of Google.

    Go use your blog comments.
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    I think you're missing the point. You were saying that because its an exact match domain it would be simple to rank.

    Joe was challenging you to rank that .me domain

    It is widely known that the exact match domain ranking algo does not carry the same weight with a .me or a .biz extension for that matter, so your argument is largely misinformed.
     
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    WebTrust said:
    The Keyword tool is not updated per month, it's last 12 months traffic / 12.
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    Hate to tell you this, but it's updated every month.

    WebTrust said:
    Why don't you put your rankings where your mouth is? instead of failing to get within the first 100 or so pages of Google...
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    Just took a screenshot for you from the rank tracker I use:
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    I haven't touched the cpanel/wordpress/done any kind of SEO work on it in the past couple of months. If I did some work on it, in about a week I could have it back to the top of the second page and first page within a fortnight/maybe a month, I reckon.

    As to the domain, eog above me said it best.
     
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    -joe- give it a rest. I (and I'm sure others) don't really care about all this and has nothing to do with the OP's orginal post.

    Lets get it back on track and talk about how wrong you are to say by blasting the product pages with 1k of blog comments you are pretty much guaranteed page one and most probably number one.
     
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    Chunkford said:
    -joe- give it a rest. I (and I'm sure others) don't really care about all this and has nothing to do with the OP's orginal post.

    Lets get it back on track and talk about how wrong you are to say by blasting the product pages with 1k of blog comments you are pretty much guaranteed page one and most probably number one.
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    I've already answered the point about that. If you want to respond to it, feel free, I'll reply back :)
     
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    sirearl said:
    Afraid that is not true.

    Earl
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    Earl, I respect you as one of the very few people on this forum who actually know what they're talking about in regards to SEO.

    I can't say I'm certain either way, I'm not certain there's no negative bias towards "lesser" TLDs, but in the same way, I'm not certain there's the same positive bias as towards the main TLDs. I own a variety of domains with different TLDs, hyphenated & non-hyphenated, and I'll be honest. I have no idea.

    However, I know a decent amount of pople who are likely better than me, you, or anyone on this forum at SEO, who make $7figures a year doing it. and the general consensus is that .com/.net/.org are the best TLDs.

    Do you have any evidence to back up what you say? I'm going to do a public case study some time, but if there's already been something done in the past, then I won't.

    Joe
     
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    -Joe- said:
    I've already answered the point about that. If you want to respond to it, feel free, I'll reply back :)
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    You haven't answered it. You are still making assumptions.

    You don't know the products, you don't know the site and you don't know the competition. How you can say buying blog comments will get the site to page 1 and probably number 1 without knowing the bigger picture is stupid and irresponsible.
     
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    sirearl said:
    There you go laddie-from the horses mouth.;)

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...um/285826-ranking-lesser-used-extensions.html

    Earl
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    Earl, once again you are completly missing the point. You seem to think that im saying that you cannot rank a .biz, you can of course rank a .biz, however a .com exact match will smash a .biz out of the park every day of the week

    You would have to put a hell of a lot more work ranking the .biz than you would for its .com counterpart
     
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