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rhossummersounds

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I have been working with a small group of people to create a music festival for the North Wales area. The music festival starts in June and concludes the end of August.

We have some very big names performing alongside local talent. The ticket prices are very reasonable but the problem is NO ONE IS BUYING ANY TICKETS.

We have advertised on the radio, various papers, we have a twitter sight and a number of other social networking sites. We have delivered 20,000 leaflets, placed posters and banners everywhere, but still no one is buying any tickets

This festival was going to be an annual event with the aim of bringing together local talent and established acts. We can’t afford for this to fail

Any suggestions, hint and tips would be graciously received
 

atwaltraining

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I'm assuming you have tried Facebook i.e. creating a group/event page.

How about targeting University students, maybe employ the services of a student and get them to promote the event/sell tickets on a commission basis?

Another possible option is to get some media coverage by getting an article published in a paper, music related website or even try and get a slot on a local radio show.

What is the festival called out of interest? Do you have a website?
 
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Scott-Copywriter

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Right, first of all, if how many tickets are available and how many tickets have you sold? If you've sold almost none, then the problem isn't with how you've promoting it - the problem is with the festival itself, or how you have portrayed the festival in your copy.

What sort of names do you have playing? Anyone nationally known?
You surely have the timescales incorrect? How can the festival last for over 2 months?
Is there any camping involved?
How much are you charging?

There's no point in asking more at this stage until we know what the duration of your festival is and how it's set up.
 
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Scott-Copywriter

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The OP got his dates correct, it's not a 24/7 festival in the sense of something like Glastonbury. It's a series of events under one banner -

http://www.wrexhammusic.co.uk/rhos-summer-sounds-music-festival/

Ahh I see. So it isn't really a festival then. There's nothing here to pay for the atmosphere or camping or whole general experience. It's just a bunch of gigs in a schedule.

Without that, you're simply making people pay for individual gigs, so all they're going to take notice of is the band/act. If no one wants to see the bands much, then they certainly wont pay for them.

You're charging £18 for artists like Mica Paris, so the only people who are going to pay for that are Mica Paris fans. Sure you could get other buyers for that, but you would need your own dedicated marketing campaign for the gig as this isn't a festival - it's just a bunch of gigs.

Similarly, you're charging £5-£10 for a lot of other artists, so you're only going to a grab a very small number of your target audience who are prepared to pay for this. Marketing the whole concept if this festival is going to do very little for people.

I think the only way you could pull this off is to offer one ticket which allows access to every gig. Either that, or sort out your marketing which at the moment won't be working at all. For example, the Rat Pack gig could catch on, but you would need a dedicated marketing campaign focused on a target audience of perhaps older people.
 
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All I see is a bunch of gigs over the summer hols. Nothing I'd want to book in advance as it only couple of pounds more on the door.

Not so sure you are going to fill the theatre with George Formby fans though.

As Scott says, it's not a festival so you won't get the crowds turning up for a beer and weed fuelled musical weekend. What you will get is a few locals turning up to see some of the bands. You aren't going to get people travelleing a long distance just for an evening unless they are hard core fans and I doubt there are that many Revurb followers.

Who is Mica Paris?
 
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All I see is a bunch of gigs over the summer hols. Nothing I'd want to book in advance as it only couple of pounds more on the door.

Not so sure you are going to fill the theatre with George Formby fans though.

As Scott says, it's not a festival so you won't get the crowds turning up for a beer and weed fuelled musical weekend. What you will get is a few locals turning up to see some of the bands. You aren't going to get people travelleing a long distance just for an evening unless they are hard core fans and I doubt there are that many Revurb followers.

Who is Mica Paris?

I have to agree, the schedule is fragmented by the variety of styles, so you won't get many people wanting to come to all the shows, you can't make a direct appeal to one set of customers, you need a varied approach that meets the individual needs of each group of customers.

The location does not help, North Wales is not exactly on the main track and will make travel difficult and more expensive.

We have been running events in West Dorset over the last couple of months and found similar problems, meaning we have only broke even on the first three events. But similar issues around location and variety have played their part.
 
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I assume the OP did some advance research and marketing, what feedback did you get from that?

Have to agree with the other comments, the range of acts spread over such a long period means you are effectively promoting several gigs rather than a festival as I would perceive a festival to be.
 
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Silky

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The location does not help, North Wales is not exactly on the main track and will make travel difficult and more expensive..

Totally agree on that front, if we run an event more than 2 hours away from London it's much harder to fill or has to be for a longer period to make the travel worthwhile. If the "festival" is spread over a period of weeks rather than an intense blast, this makes it even less likely someone outside the area will make a special journey for individual events - the festival ambience is hard to whip up if someone's got a long journey home afterwards.

Mica Paris fans are also unlikely to be tempted by Classic Hymns & Psalms...a completely different audience and indeed marketing tactic altogether. I agree with Bill on this and would break the festival down and promote each event separately (or in relevant batches) so these can be closely targeted.

Silky
 
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oldeagleeye

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I can't see this venture making any money anyway. I counted a couple of pubs and a cricket club as venues. Not exactly o2 is it.

This is also mostly hard pressed for money student attraction and money is going to get even tighter with their parents facing tax rises.

Sorry guys. Poor ovrerall planning and dare I say it a big flop on the cards.

Rob
 
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downsouth

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IMHO you have fell into the trap of trying to sell lots of things with little in common or mass public appeal. I couldn't even suggest packaging all the events into 1 ticket for 50 quid or something, it just isn't there in my opinion. All it looks like you are doing is promoting the theatres events.

Back where i'm from there are music festivals in a couple of towns, each spanning a 3 night (Fri, sat & sun) weekend, mostly local bands but with a 'main' band each night time.

there is no charge to get into each 'festival' as they are held in town squares.

These festivals tbh dont make much, if any money and rely on stallholders, payments from local businesses, donations and advertisers to pay for the running and payment of the main bands, they do well as it brings the community together.

You need to look at bringing this festival into this type of format, outside, get people attending, keep it small, say a 1 dayer to start, then build up slowly.

post back with some thoughts and we can all review again
 
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George76

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I live in north wales and have not heard of this yet.

We go to many gigs over in wrexham and we choose what gigs we want and just go. What would be my benefit of buying tickets off you if I can get tickets off the bands I like?

What is to keep me coming back?

I do like the idea though, something needs to get going around here!
 
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Scott-Copywriter

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There is a review on your site: Just back from the Mica Paris show at the Stiwt, she sang 4 songs to a backing track and was on for 20 minutes. £18, what a rip off.

Seems like that is perhaps why?

That's one of the issues with 'economy of scale' unfortunately. £18 may seem like a lot per customer, but if only a few people buy the tickets, then the singer gets very little. That could be one of the reasons why she played for only a very short period of time.
 
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J.Pink

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That's one of the issues with 'economy of scale' unfortunately. £18 may seem like a lot per customer, but if only a few people buy the tickets, then the singer gets very little. That could be one of the reasons why she played for only a very short period of time.

That isn't economy of scale.

The artist will have been paid whatever she was promised in the first place, that is what contracts are for.

If the company failed to sell enough tickets to cover her costs, that is their fault, not hers. Thus they are the ones who will take the hit - not the artist.
 
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Perhaps - but if that was the case would they have admitted their marketing was a disaster. I suspect the project has bombed in the meantime :) Shame - they might have learned something had they come back to check out the responses.
 
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paulears

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As a theatrical production manager, this kind of programming is exactly how ameteur mess up quite often. One issue is the word festival - although this was mentioned as not being a festival, oddly, it is a festival. A very common arts style festival, and the programming is quite typical of the genre. However, these are not designed to make a profit. Judging from the programme, I'd hazard a guess that the venue have simply cvarried out a dry hire, rather than a split - so the promoter guarantees them their fee, even if sales go badly. Arts festivals usually negotiate extremely cheap or even free hires, for 'arts sake'. Local Authority venues like the arts approach and are often willing to subsidise. This venue is an arts trust, so I suspect the hire rate is reasonable.

A few things leap out at me. The total income for the Mica Paris gig is £8K. Now in a non-arts venue, she'd prbably be on an 80/20 or possibly even a daft 85/15 split, leaving not a lot of spare income to pay for the staff, advertising, and sundries.

£8K is not enough for an artiste with a band. A four piece band, crew and transport/subsistence and hotels doesn't balance. This I suspect is what led to the tracks show. There's nothing wrong with this, but people need to read the paperwork.

If you engage an artiste, then there will be a contract, signed by both parties that details what is being agreed. Total running time is always there, along with the usual contractual get-outs for TV work, or other odds and ends. It also stipulates things like lighting and sound - who pays for the equipment if it has to be supplied, and detailing exactly what it must be, or it will detail if the artiste brings their own (probably hired by them). If the show was going to be tracked, this would NOT be a surprise, because one of the usual contract terms is "... will perform the act as known" - and singing to a track would not meet the requirement. The artiste may also have a clause that allows them to cut short a show if the technical rider is not met, or the main contract conditions not upheld.

The real problems here are that the programme is damn boring, and so fragmented that means people won't come twice. Some, like the Rat pack Extravaganza, are very expensive - so only older people will be interested. George Formby is something of a limited appeal night, isn't it!

All in all, it's a mess. Marketing cannot be general, I'd bet they did 20,000 flyers and didn't target them at all - with programming like this you really need to work hard on marketing.

Making money from events of this type is quite difficult. Far too many people book acts that they like, not that will sell!

Arts acts, meaning low interest/low budget acts do have a place, but the audience will always be limited. I've just done a couple of nights with a well known comedian, selling 1200 tickets a night at over £20 a pop, yet the venue got just 15% - however, this is still well over £7000. On a show like the one we're talking about here, I'd want at least a guarantee of £2000 a night to cover costs. If you do a deal for a good cause, then it's quite possible for the evening to actually cost a venue to put on. If a promoter is trying to make money from this business, it's VERY hard.
 
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I have been working with a small group of people to create a music festival for the North Wales area. The music festival starts in June and concludes the end of August.

We have some very big names performing alongside local talent. The ticket prices are very reasonable but the problem is NO ONE IS BUYING ANY TICKETS.

We have advertised on the radio, various papers, we have a twitter sight and a number of other social networking sites. We have delivered 20,000 leaflets, placed posters and banners everywhere, but still no one is buying any tickets

This festival was going to be an annual event with the aim of bringing together local talent and established acts. We can’t afford for this to fail

Any suggestions, hint and tips would be graciously received

When you say, no one has bought a ticket, do you mean literally no one?
 
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