Can Labour make Britain the best place in the world to start and grow a business?

[Paul FilmMaker]

Right, so that stuff about not being able to go and work in the EU was total bollocks then, seeing as you have, by receiving a French visa, been given permission to do so.

So perhaps you can point us to the legislation that prevents you from carrying out your work in France. Because I'm curious.

And as I said, even if any of what you claim about Brits working in the EU is true (which, by your own admission, isn't), if the EU was such an important market to you, there are ways to work around it. What ways, I'll let you work it out yourself.

Oh by the way, I do speak French. Not very well, but I speak it. And don't try to impress me with how many languages you speak. I speak three fluently, and I've lived, worked and studied in four different countries so I know all about getting visas.

You're giving legal advice about something you know nothing about.

You are literally telling me the opposite of the lawyers we consulted. Are you a lawyer? Do you have any knowledge?

You are literally reciting nonsense over and over again. The link you posted was nothing.

Yup, exactly. So this:



Is a load of bovine feces.

Just like your legal advice.

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

Is filling a form in difficult?

There are no forms because Brexit means we are excluded from doing the business we used to do.

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

So, you can get a work visa that lets you work in France and you have had one. So its not illegal just difficult.

Being difficult means that many of your competitors wont do it, reducing competition for you.

It is illegal for me to do the work I do in the countries I need to do it in. OK. If you're the expert, sort it out for me.

Make it legal.

 

[japancool]

You are literally reciting nonsense over and over again. The link you posted was nothing.

Just like your nonsense about not being allowed to work in the EU.

I asked you a very simple question. Why can't you apply for a work permit? All you've done is keep repeating something that is patently false, because you DID apply for a work permit for an EU country and received one. So you COULD go to France and work.

So I'm asking you again, what, specifically, stops you from getting a work permit to work on Germany, or wherever? Because clearly, you could get one for France.

Now, if there is specific legislation pertaining to your industry, then why don't you just point us to it?

Legal advice? I haven't given you any legal advice. I have simply told you something that true.
* Work permits for EU countries exist.
* You can apply for a work permit.
* Having the work permit allows you to work in the EU.

Now tell me precisely why you can't do that.

 

[japancool]

It is illegal for me to do the work I do in the countries I need to do it in. OK. If you're the expert, sort it out for me.

Make it legal.

Oh, now we're getting somewhere.

So it's NOT illegal for Brits to work in the EU. It's just illegal to do your kind of work.

Perhaps you can point us to the legislation.

 

[Newchodge]

May I suggest that you stop insulting each other and making obscure points and actually explain what you are talking about. Paul, what makes it illegal for you to work in the EU? Do you mean that there is no possibility of obtaining a work visa because of your line of work? If so, saying so might help.

 

[japancool]

May I suggest that you stop insulting each other and making obscure points and actually explain what you are talking about. Paul, what makes it illegal for you to work in the EU? Do you mean that there is no possibility of obtaining a work visa because of your line of work? If so, saying so might help.

That's all I asked in the first place.

 

[simon field]

I’m also interested why it’s illegal to take photos in the EU if you’re not an EU citizen.

 

[Newchodge]

Also perhaps trying to avoid making cheap and meaningless points?

 

[japancool]

Also perhaps trying to avoid making cheap and meaningless points?

I would argue the points are valid for the information presented, but I guess we need to move on from that.

 

[fisicx]

According to this there shouldn't be a problem working in Germany:

Travel to Germany for work

Check if you need a visa or permit to work in Germany and how to get one if you do.

www.gov.uk

There is even a visa exemption for those working in the film and TV industry.

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

Just like your nonsense about not being allowed to work in the EU.

I asked you a very simple question. Why can't you apply for a work permit? All you've done is keep repeating something that is patently false, because you DID apply for a work permit for an EU country and received one. So you COULD go to France and work.

So I'm asking you again, what, specifically, stops you from getting a work permit to work on Germany, or wherever? Because clearly, you could get one for France.

Now, if there is specific legislation pertaining to your industry, then why don't you just point us to it?

Legal advice? I haven't given you any legal advice. I have simply told you something that true.
* Work permits for EU countries exist.
* You can apply for a work permit.
* Having the work permit allows you to work in the EU.

Now tell me precisely why you can't do that.

Firstly, I spent 20 years dealing with work permits before my current business. I was EMEA head of recruitment for a multi-billion dollar tech business so dealt with them every day. So let's clear up your lack of knowledge.

Take, for example, your assertion "Having the work permit allows you to work in the EU." There is no EU work permit. It doesn't exist.

A work permit allows you to work in the country it's issued in, not the EU. A carte de sejour allowed me to work in France, not Germany, Spain or Italy. And it's a residence permit meaning the person has to live there and be sponsored by a French employer.

Brexit means a UK entity (bear in mind I have a UK SME) cannot now get work permits for their staff to work in EU countries. There is no form we can complete. No lawyer to call. We used to fly out to Germany, Spain and Italy to work on the ground because we had freedom to work anywhere we wanted in the EU. Today, that freedom has been removed so we simply lost that business.

So we've turned our guns inward and instead will fight to get UK business like everyone else in my sector without an EU passport.

Hence, why I say, that if the Labour party was able to get us back into the EU, that would interest me and I would vote for them. The money lost in taxation would be more than regained by the money I'd make by being back in the EU.

 

[japancool]

Take, for example, your assertion "Having the work permit allows you to work in the EU." There is no EU work permit. It doesn't exist.

No, there isn't, but work permits exist for different countries within the EU. And the appropriate permit allows you to work in that EU country.

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

According to this there shouldn't be a problem working in Germany:

Travel to Germany for work

Check if you need a visa or permit to work in Germany and how to get one if you do.

www.gov.uk

There is even a visa exemption for those working in the film and TV industry.

Doesn't apply for us. We deal with corporate media which is different.

 

[japancool]

Brexit means a UK entity (bear in mind I have a UK SME) cannot now get work permits for their staff to work in EU countries. There is no form we can complete. No lawyer to call. We used to fly out to Germany, Spain and Italy to work on the ground because we had freedom to work anywhere we wanted in the EU. Today, that freedom has been removed so we simply lost that business.

So how does an American film studio making a film in Germany get its staff and crew into the country to work? Presumably that happens.

Doesn't apply for us. We deal with corporate media which is different.

If you're a working on a contract for an EU company, why wouldn't a short-term contractor visa apply to you?

In any case, as I said earlier - there are ways around this, depending on how much effort you'd be prepared to put in.

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

May I suggest that you stop insulting each other and making obscure points and actually explain what you are talking about. Paul, what makes it illegal for you to work in the EU? Do you mean that there is no possibility of obtaining a work visa because of your line of work? If so, saying so might help.

I spent 20 years dealing with work permits before my current business. I was EMEA head of recruitment for a multi-billion dollar tech business so dealt with them every day.

Take, for example, this assertion: "Having the work permit allows you to work in the EU." There is no EU work permit. It doesn't exist.

A work permit allows the individual to work in the country it's issued in, not the EU. A carte de sejour allowed me to work in France, not Germany, Spain or Italy. And it's a residence permit meaning the person has to live there and be sponsored by a French employer.

Brexit means a UK entity (bear in mind I have a UK SME) cannot now get work permits for their staff to work in EU countries. There is no form we can complete. No lawyer to call. We used to fly out to Germany, Spain and Italy to work on the ground because we had freedom to work anywhere we wanted in the EU. Today, that freedom has been removed so we simply lost that business.

So we've turned our guns inward and instead will fight to get UK business like everyone else in my sector without an EU passport.

Hence, why I say, that if the Labour party was able to get us back into the EU, that would interest me and I would vote for them. The money lost in taxation would be more than regained by the money I'd make by being back in the EU.

 

[simon field]

Also perhaps trying to avoid making cheap and meaningless points?

Pot, kettle and black perchance? ?

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

So how does an American film studio making a film in Germany get its staff and crew into the country to work? Presumably that happens.



If you're a working on a contract for an EU company, why wouldn't a short-term contractor visa apply to you?

In any case, as I said earlier - there are ways around this, depending on how much effort you'd be prepared to put in.

A US studio sets up a German entity which starts with a minimum of 15 grand and sets up the visas from that (which costs a ton of money and time). There are also different laws for visas and 'entertainment' (movies, Netflix series etc...)

As for working on a contract for an EU company, that doesn't work. I'd need to get an EU company to sponsor a visa and that is long, slow and expensive. Companies don't do that.

And no, there are not 'many ways around this.' I have 20+ years experience of dealing with visas, worked in the EU, have consulted lawyers, know what the challenges are and in this case, the solution has been to turn my marketing onto the UK market and my marketing exec is doing just that.

 

[japancool]

A US studio sets up a German entity which starts with a minimum of 15 grand and sets up the visas from that (which costs a ton of money and time). There are also different laws for visas and 'entertainment' (movies, Netflix series etc...)

As for working on a contract for an EU company, that doesn't work. I'd need to get an EU company to sponsor a visa and that is long, slow and expensive. Companies don't do that.

So the routes do exist, but they're too expensive is what you're really saying. OK, fair enough. That's different though to saying it's completely impossible or illegal.

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

So the routes do exist, but they're too expensive is what you're really saying. OK, fair enough. That's different though to saying it's completely impossible or illegal.

Take CarWow. They film every new car launch in Europe.

Previously, they had a filming team in London. Now, they have a team in Madrid and Berlin. Why?

Well, UK staff can't fly around the EU to legally film the major car launches. So instead, the solution is to get rid of the UK staff and hire EU citizens in Germany and Spain.

My solution is I have a pile of money so what do I do? Well, my choice is to give my customers to my German, Spanish and Italian competitors and focus on the UK and Chinese markets. And if Labour can get us back into the EU, then that is what my answer to the OP's question is.

 

[NickGrogan]

It is illegal for me to do the work I do in the countries I need to do it in. OK. If you're the expert, sort it out for me.

Make it legal.

Do you need to film the videos yourself? I presume the skill is in the creation of the concept, planning, skilful editing and so on, all of which can be done in the UK for a client based in the EU or anywhere else.

All you really need is an EU-based cameraman who knows what you want and how to film it?

Then you only need to go to France to meet clients and discuss ideas, for which you can use the ETIAS visa.

ETIAS EU will allow visitors to enter France for business purposes so there will be no need to obtain a separate France business visa. As travellers can travel freely between Schengen member states, ETIAS holders will also not need a France transit visa to pass through.

Taking your example, where is the Carwow editing team based? or does each country have its own set of creatives?

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

Do you need to film the videos yourself? I presume the skill is in the creation of the concept, planning, skilful editing and so on, all of which can be done in the UK for a client based in the EU or anywhere else.

All you really need is an EU-based cameraman who knows what you want and how to film it?

Then you only need to go to France to meet clients and discuss ideas, for which you can use the ETIAS visa.

ETIAS EU will allow visitors to enter France for business purposes so there will be no need to obtain a separate France business visa. As travellers can travel freely between Schengen member states, ETIAS holders will also not need a France transit visa to pass through.

Taking your example, where is the Carwow editing team based? or does each country have its own set of creatives?

I can enter any country and sell up to the point of signing a contract. It's fulfilling the order on the ground which is the primary issue.

And I have a dinky SME so yes, I need to be there. Customers buy from us because we can create something amazing that generates more sales but most importantly because they prefer a small agency. We give that personal touch that big agencies lack.

The whole thing dies if I'm not around. To give you an idea what some of our shoots look like (mods take this down if this is seen as advertising):

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