Byretorial - Those Martians planned for (almost) everything!

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Germans are hoarding disinfectants, pasta and toilet paper. They are entering hospitals to steal face-masks and hand-wash bottles. Germany is not good at dealing with a crisis.

The British on the other hand (despite all the silly hype on TV) are seldom happier than when there is a national crisis. Brits are excellent at dealing with a crisis and love mucking-in and making-do! Three-day week? Bath with a friend? Come on! Power cuts mean dinner by candlelight!

Germans love a detailed and well-structured plan. Aldi has a plan for the next 100 years. Tesco says that it has a plan for the next five years - but I doubt it somehow! British companies are excellent at flying by the seat of their pants. They call that being flexible, but it is born of being unprepared and all-too-often, deep in debt. In a regulated world where things are supposed to function, being unprepared is laughed at. In a crisis, Brits are so used to having to struggle from day-to-day, that they excel.

When the first BMWs and Beetles came onto the UK market, executives at Austin and Morris laughed. When Honda produced a two-stroke version of the Mini, they laughed even louder.

When Aldi and Lidl came to the UK market, nobody in UK retail took them seriously. Not one major retail consultant or manager bothered to study their track-record across Europe and the devastating effect they could have on less-fit competition. Nobody asked why they might be buying-up key sites on the access roads into most towns and cities over 30 years ago.

Like the Martian space ships in Spielberg's version of War-of-The-Worlds, they just seemed to appear out of the ground and from nowhere. But planning for the conquering of the UK market had begun about ten years earlier. The power of long-term planning!

But Germany does not have a plan for the Coronavirus.

The images of quarantine cities worldwide seem threatening - but according to nearly all experts, Corona is largely harmless. Sooner or later, the majority of people will catch this virus, most of them will have a sore throat and runny nose for two or three days and that's it! The likelihood of dying from this new disease is very low. In terms of mathematics, it is constantly falling because more and more people are becoming infected - and recovering again. Corona is not Ebola.

But the panic buying of medical protective equipment is developing into the actual health crisis in Germany. Healthy citizens who buy disinfectants and face masks or even steal them from hospitals are the bitter consequences of confused disaster news on all channels and even from the German government. This is dangerous for people who rely on a sterile environment, such as cancer patients during chemotherapy.

Instead of getting a grip of the situation and announcing clear plans, German politicians are blaming doctors and doctors are blaming the politicians! In fact, almost no one foresaw the panic buying by the public. Given the speed and force with which real and false news unfolds on social media today, this is a fatal omission.

The Coronavirus shows that Germany is not prepared for the unexpected. The health minister had to admit that no emergency plans were in place or practiced. Nobody knows how doctor's offices, clinics and emergency services will continue to function when their personnel are in quarantine. Now imagine a virus that is more contagious, more dangerous and more frightening - and this situation seems to be being repeated across most countries in Europe and beyond.

Germany has 77 state-regulated healthcare schemes. The UK has one. The NHS is just downright hopeless at providing routine health care. You can wait two years for a routine operation and maternal death-rates in childbirth are over 50% higher than in Germany - but just this once I am glad that the NHS exists.

A national crisis requires a national health system!
 
Germans are hoarding disinfectants, pasta and toilet paper. They are entering hospitals to steal face-masks and hand-wash bottles. Germany is not good at dealing with a crisis.

The British on the other hand (despite all the silly hype on TV)

Obviously there area lot of Germans in Woking, because in ASDA today buying our normal groceries - empty shelves of ....
. toilet paper
. hand sanitizer
. soap
. disinfectant
and
. pasta
 
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The images of quarantine cities worldwide seem threatening - but according to nearly all experts, Corona is largely harmless. Sooner or later, the majority of people will catch this virus, most of them will have a sore throat and runny nose for two or three days and that's it! The likelihood of dying from this new disease is very low. In terms of mathematics, it is constantly falling because more and more people are becoming infected - and recovering again. Corona is not Ebola.
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Good news. Last I looked WHO figure was 3.4% case fatality rate.
And when SARS was around the figure during the spread of the virus was different than afterwards. The figure afterwards was double.

Want to tell the families of 3,461 people that the pop is largely harmless? They may believe you.
Just don't tell them the virus is largely harmless.

Constantly falling.... What number of days are you using for diagnosis to death / recovery?

Have you factored in those who get it, recover, then get infected again?
 
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I don't agree with Boris very much but he went up in my estimations this week
He stooped his normal act of waffling through and making statements flanked himself with two medical experts who are confident and have all the support they need to deal with an epidemic.
He let them deal with the questions and put the message across
Yes I still think that Boris is useless 99 per cent of the time but when he really is worried and his back is against the wall it is when he is at his best .

This country will handle this better than most because we have a clear plan that is easy for everybody to understand
 
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I don't agree with Boris very much but he went up in my estimations this week
He stooped his normal act of waffling through and making statements flanked himself with two medical experts who are confident and have all the support they need to deal with an epidemic.
He let them deal with the questions and put the message across
Yes I still think that Boris is useless 99 per cent of the time but when he really is worried and his back is against the wall it is when he is at his best .

This country will handle this better than most because we have a clear plan that is easy for everybody to understand

Really?
A clear plan?

Not like the current plan then?
 
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Being rather ignorant about Germany apart from the basics, what i have never understood is the lack of the number of people in germany, where they had to bring in a million plus outside the EU workers to keep things going

My thinking is, that as they were in the frontline of the Common Market and EU and whilst surrounded by other countries with free movement , people did not feel the need to move to Germany to find good work
 
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they had to bring in a million plus outside the EU workers to keep things going
Waaay more! I remember when Germany celebrated the first one-millionth Italian 'Gastarbeiter' (guest worker) and later some two million Turkisch Gastarbeiter legged it to Germany. Now there are some one million (mostly) highly educated refugees from Syria and beyond.

On the one side, these people benefit the economy enormously - but on the other side, this influx of people is fueling the ultra-right and causing (or at least trying to cause) civil unrest and a rebirth of national socialism in the form of the AfD in Eastern Germany.

The older immigrants have difficulties if they are less well educated, but their children tend to integrate well. The educated get jobs as engineers, doctors and very many start successful businesses. Berlin is full of Arabic and Vietnamese restaurants (and all the others - you name the nation and there are restaurants for just that cuisine!) and takeaways selling fantastic food at low prices - a bit like New York used to be.
 
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When the first BMWs and Beetles came onto the UK market, executives at Austin and Morris laughed.
Not quite. They were the very first customers. They bought cars to test and strip down. They developed test prototypes to copy competitors techniques.
 
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The older immigrants have difficulties if they are less well educated, but their children tend to integrate well. The educated get jobs as engineers, doctors and very many start successful businesses. Berlin is full of Arabic and Vietnamese restaurants (and all the others - you name the nation and there are restaurants for just that cuisine!) and takeaways selling fantastic food at low prices - a bit like New York used to be.

Yes, understandable having tasted German food that the Germans would want foreign cuisine.
But like the British that way. :)
 
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Not sure if still the case, bur read somewhere a few years, ago that Germany has a real problem with birth-rates being too low, they would be in real financial trouble without the immigrants
 
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Not sure if still the case, bur read somewhere a few years, ago that Germany has a real problem with birth-rates being too low, they would be in real financial trouble without the immigrants

That's most western countries.

Need a birth rate of 2.3 births per woman to maintain the population.
A number of countries its below 2.
Germany is 1.6.
UK is 1.8
France 1.9
 
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I found some stats earlier
Germany has actually picked up over the last decade, looks like mid 2000's when they were really low. I think their biggest problem (probably all of ours) is the aging generation.
 
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I found some stats earlier
Germany has actually picked up over the last decade, looks like mid 2000's when they were really low. I think their biggest problem (probably all of ours) is the aging generation.

Simple solution.
Logan's Run was such a good film... :)

Seriously, yes its a problem in many countries. You either get population growth outstripping resources or a population where too many are not economically active and too few are.

The trend among many has been to delay motherhood until established in career - and not have as big a family.
Saw a report a few years back that suggested that immigrants had large families initially but over time their children had smaller families - for the most part the report could only look at 3 generations, often only two.
 
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In the 60's the girls not married by 22 were a rare thing, wonder what it is now, when i pick up my grand children the mothers are all pushing it in their thirties
 
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