Buying mailing lists

[xinghu]

Hi

Does anybody have a good contact regarding emailing mailing lists? I know there are a lot of people/companies claiming to offer great deals, but the origin of the lists are not always relevant and good quality.. For example, I have known people to spend hundreds or pounds and receive 1,000 dead email addresses.

Anybody have any suggestions would be great thanks.
Andrew

 

[Bruceflea]

Hi Andrew,

we can help and we have guarantees on our data where we will either refund or replace inaccuracies. if you are interested in some more info, PM or call me.

thanks

 

[jimbob79]

Both Corp Data and Market Scan have free trial offers on at the moment and one of them includes email data (I think it was market Scan).

I have taken both up on their free data offer and the data was OK but more importantly FREE.

 

[xinghu]

Thank you. I will have a look into them

 

[shyle]

Hi!
Just a newbie in your thread,actually I am looking for the email list which I didn't know that I can buy it. So where can I buy and does it cost too high?

 

[ADS-MARKETING]

If anyone needs assistance with putting together a list for marketing just let me know.

 

[xinghu]

Would be interesting. What are the costs?

 

[ADS-MARKETING]

It's basically just my time. All details on my site. I generate all my own mailings lists for my own marketing and it has always kept me busy in my own area.

Just email me with what product you are trying to sell and what companies you would like to target and we can get to work on a suitable list for your requirements. I can even help with writing the content of the emails and sending them out for you if required.

Email - [email protected]

 

[xinghu]

Thanks. I will have a look at your website and send you over an email sometime over the weekend.

 

[OptiRick]

If you send messages to a list of email addresses you have bought, is that not SPAM?

Not a criticism, I am interested myself.

 

[xinghu]

No I don't believe it is spam if you have purchased the list. I know there are strict guidelines in place which include not been able to just randomly take people's email addresses and use them on your list unless they agree to third party contact and you must have a unsubscribe facility in the email.

 

[Bruceflea]

I stumbled on a great company on eBay called Simplelistcity who I bought 3 databases from, very cheap and excellent quality (CEO's, MD's, HR etc). I don't think databases can be all 100% accurate all the time but a good benchmark to aim for is about 70-80% accuracy in the data.

Go on eBay and search for 'mailing list 2010' and it should bring them up for you to look at.

Hope this helps?
Mike

in terms of data, you really do get what you pay for. buying bulk databases works for some business and i would never knock this as our parent company started up by doing this and does very well doing it.

i think you need to look at how the data is going to be used. if you have call centre who are chewing through the data then bulk databases are definitely a great option as they can cleanse the data as they go along.

whereas if you are a small company and calling through data, it works much better to have targeted data to try and speed your sales cycle up as it is important to get speaking with your target market quickly.

in terms of quality, i disagree that that a good benchmark is 70-80% accuracy. i think this is too low and feel that if i supplied one of my clients with data quality as low as this, i would never hear from them again.

 

[xinghu]

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for

 

[B2BDatasolutions]

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for

Not neccessarily, As a company we pride ourselves on offering high quality data solutions at a competitve price. We source all our data from the UK's leading dataproviders, however we only offer the data for purchase that is assessed as being the most accurate out of the datasets available on the market.

Andrew, If you're looking to run an email campaign I would highly like to suggest that you visit our site.

Inhouse we currently have access to over 0.5 million consumer emails and approximately 100k business emails.

 

[truesilver]

Hi

Having bought data for over 7 years - I agree you get what you pay for. We don't make money selling data, but we buy it direct from the best. When I first started out we tried cheaper data suppliers - but getting responses like "he's been dead for 5 years" can knock the telemarketers a bit...

If you're after email data, then I recommend getting someone to call the businesses you want and ask permission and the contact. The conversion rate is then much much higher and you won't get your email address black listed by the anti-spam companies.

Be wary - email data is soooo difficult to manage. We recommend to all our clients that being overly ethical is always best

Good luck, hope it goes well.

 

[emailexpert]

Leigh has hit the nail on the head with his statement about 'calling first'.

Email without direct permission to do so will lead to allsorts of [URLNO="http://emailexpert.org"]deliverability[/URLNO] and reputation headaches.

List buying is bad, plain and simple, permission is the way to go. If Buying lists was ok then ESP's would have no problem with you doing so. Look at it this way Email Service Providers make money when you send email, the more recipients the more money they make.

It does not take allot to work out that on the face of it letting your clients buy lists and email them is good business sense. You will find however not a single legitimate ESP will allow you to do this.

It is extremely likely and almost completely without exception that your internet provider will have rules against your utilising such lists.

If you realy need to prospect by email think List Rental not List Purchase, there is a big difference.

 

[B2BDatasolutions]

Unfortunately due to slow seasonal demand... B2B Data Solutions may be closing down.

As a thank you for your support and advice we are offering all UKBF members (oldwelshguy inclusive) a special closing down offer:

200,000 Business Records for £400-00

We are doing this in the hope that it enables all the other new businesses out there a decent fighting chance - in a difficult market. I hope you decide to take advantage of this offer whilst it lasts.

Best wishes for the future.

Business DataSolutions Limited

 

[emailexpert]

Hurrah! Another list sales company bites the dust as people realise the grave dangers of list purchasing and the poor return on investment.

Good news for the internet in general.

 

[DeadlineData]

A little harsh that last comment!

Email marketing works well for us and offers a good ROI for our customers. We encourage small manageable segmented lists with a telemarketing follow-up.

Sorry to hear the problems you have experienced.

 

[christian_d]

It depends on who you ask.

Some people think its spam of they have not opted in.

Some people think its spam if there is not an 'opt out' option.

Doesn't everyone has to start somewhere though?

 

[emailexpert]

Permission, permission, permission. I stand by my statement as harsh as it is, Spammers deserve to be out of business.

That is not to say I have a problem with email marketing, that is in essence the lifeblood of my business. But I am a firm advocate of Permission based email marketing. Quite right Christian D, everyone needs to start somewhere. My take on it is: it should start with getting permission.

 

[B2BDatasolutions]

Excuse me Email Expert, Don't think you'll get positive rankings off my bad luck.

Our Data was opt-in! And there's still time for me to come back if I want to... just to break even and wipe your smirk off your face.

Why should anyone use your services when I'm now offering 250,000 business records for just £200.00? - 80% accuracy rate and opted in!

Sorry, permission based or not.. I don't think you can compete with those prices.

 

[emailexpert]

I do not sell data. I do not build mailing lists, your loss is not my gain. The loss of a company that sells mailing lists willy nilly is however for the good of the internet in general.

Once someone has purchased a list of you how do you propose they send the spam message? No decent ISP/ESP would allow it. Using the lists will cost them much more than £200.

I am not trying to compete, nor would I ever try and compete in your marketplace. However I know of people offering data far cheaper than that, I have no intention of promoting their spammy services either however.

 

[emailexpert]

Why should anyone use your services when I'm now offering 250,000 business records for just £200.00? - 80% accuracy rate and opted in!

Sorry, permission based or not.. I don't think you can compete with those prices.

The reason people use my services is that they have made a purchase of a company like yours and then find themselves with allsorts of problems. At that point I come in and charge whole lot more than £200 to repair damaged domain and IP reputations, ISP relations and more.

 

[B2BDatasolutions]

the opt-in lists are suitable for telemarketing, mailouts and email purposes.

it's easy to avoid issues concerned damaged domains, just send the emails from a different server/domain designed solely for the task- one used on a one off basis. There are 100s of ISPs to choose from out there. It's they not happy with how you are using their service. Simple solution- they can give in to your requirements or you can take your business elsewhere.

Those precautions would alleviate the necessity for many businesses to need or even contemplate your services.

 

[emailexpert]

OptiRick
yes it is spam to send mail without permission and will lead to all sorts of problems.

If you need to prospect by email have a look at good quality list rental companies but that data does not come cheap. Have a look at people like Reed-Elsevier, Hays, Dennis Publishing etc

 

[B2BDatasolutions]

That's understandable. You fail to notice that the emails are opt-in, hence permission based.

Yes The thing with Hayes, etc. their data is just as accurate as ours, and as targeted and opted-in. however I agree they do charge a much higher premium on top courtesy of their brand name.

 

[emailexpert]

so where do you get your optin data from? where can I go to get added to one of your mailing lists?

The difference between those I listed and yourself is they do not SELL lists they rent lists. Big difference. It means their data is not getting "spanked" by newbie email marketers sending dozens of messages.

the premium is for the quality of data not the brand name.

I find it hard to believe you have 250,000 business who said heres my details, feel free to sell them to who you want and let them do what they want with my contact information.

 

[MikeD08]

No problems with the data provided by B2BDataSolutions so far! In fact the quality appears pretty high and was definately value for money.

Sorry hear about the downturn.

 

[emailexpert]

Hi MikeD08
I was wondering how you defined pretty high quality?

What were your bounce rates like? Spam complaints? Inbox Placement? CTR?

Very interested in knowing how you sent the email? Who did you use?

What business sector are you in, I cannot tell from your threads or profile.

best, andrew

 

[James_Thompson]

Hi everyone. May I first say how happy I am in having joined this forum. It is so informative and I can't stop reading it! I have some advice in regards to e-mail lists I want to pass on.

This is by no means all my own work, It is what I have read, tried and tested and so far it has worked!


1- Quantity does not mean quality. You will get good results if you have a smaller number of addresses but they are highly targeted.


2- Buying or renting e-mail lists means it would be difficult to know if they are relevant. Although many companies offer guarantees on their data, how do you know its is targeted or relevnt to your market? You should always compile in - house mailing lists. A study in the US showed that the average cost for each successful sale following an in - house e-mail marketing action is 100 times lower than when using purchased lists. If you haven't started, you really should start now.


3- Watch out for adverts which offer a tens of thousands of emails for next to nothing. It is most probably SPAM.


4- Verify the method in which the e-mails were collected. E-mails which were collected by an opt in method or prize draw will be of higher quality.


5- Check the date in which the e-mails were collected. The most recently collected ones will be most effective.


6- To verify the in - house email addresses you have, go to verify-email DOT ORG. It is a free e-mail address verifier which connects to the mail server and checks whether the mailbox exists or not. This is a little bit time consuming but if you are just starting to use e-mail marketing, use it as soon as you get those emails, it will save you time in the long run.


And one last point to note: E-mail marketing should never be about acquiring new customers, it should be about building and maintaining a lasting, loyal relationship!.

 

[emailexpert]

Great advice James (although I dont really agree with prize draw data being high quality in general, maybe for b2c it can be).

Point 5, this kind of email verification is impractical for larger lists. It is also not 100% efective. The only way to be sure is to send the email.

I am not saying there is no value to these email verification systems I have one on my site too:
Free email validation tool : http://emailexpert.org/tools/email-validation/

 

[B2BDatasolutions]

Sorry, I think you're a bit confused emailexpert? As a list broker and owner B2B Data Solutions provides lists for rental and ownership. Different sets provide different levels of opt-in.

They are all sourced from leading data experts and the quality of each particular set is reflected in the price.

It appears to me you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, Andrew. I've already explained why your services are typically in most circumstances redundant.

 

[emailexpert]

No confusion here. Your going out of business speaks volumes.

 

[emailexpert]

The only opt-in worth anything is Confirmed Opt In

You didnt answer any of my questions that I raised and I am not going to enter a flame war.

 

[B2BDatasolutions]

If that is the case. I would expect you to follow suit shortly.

However, looks like we might stay around for a little longer. It's not as if we are losing money. I just fancied a change of industry.

 

[emailexpert]

Still no answers to the questions? Where does your data come from? Any of it confirmed opt in? Where would you recommend people go to send emails once they buy a list off you?

If you are selling confirmed opt in lists then good luck to you, however I do not believe that to be the case.

You would not have the first idea of what my business entails so its hard call for you to make about its potential failure Peter.

 

[jonboy11]

i used one before and found it useless.
i think newsletters would be better but not sure how to find businesses who have good sports newsletters

 

[paaaaaaaaaa]

Buying these email lists will definitely work out bad in the long run. The emails will be sold multiple times so they will be getting a lot of "spam". When you start hitting these emails with campaigns they will report you as spam. Your domain and ip address will get black listed. So now you have essentially paid to get blacklisted. I'm pretty sure it's illegal too although a bit of a grey area and not very well policed.

 

[nickoloz]

I do not like email marketing i think it is worse marketing tool in internet