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  • #44
    this and that said:
    wtf are you on about, giving me a strike because I say something you do not agree with.
    Wales and Scotland are there own country, cornwall IS NOT. In fact your so proud of it you went to live in America
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    Oh geez. Now it's getting serious!

    Cornwall is one of the six Celtic countries: Ireland, Scotland, Isle of Man, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany. It's not even the smallest (which is Man). Each of the six has/had its own language, which comes from Asia Minor. True, Cornish is no longer spoken (neither is Manx) but it lives on in place-names, people-names, and culture in general. The English may not recognize Cornwall as anything other than a county, but anyone familiar with the Cornish knows that we are not English.

    Incidentally, 'penguin' (white-head) is a Cornish word, and so is 'corgi' (dwarf-dog). Jennifer is a Cornish name. My favourite, while on the topic, is 'tykky-dyw' (pronounced 'ticky-doo'), which is the Cornish word for butterfly (it literally means 'beautiful little thing of God'). The Cornish have influenced history in many ways, from Humphrey Davy to Captain Bligh to Richard Trevithek. Geez - we even have our own national anthem, which, last year, I sang in Cornish to a rather bemused American audience. :eek:

    A couple of weeks ago, I watched again the film 'The Englishman who went up a hill and came down a mountain'. The gentle mocking of the English by the Welsh reminded me of the very same attitude displayed in Cornwall. The difference is that most of the English understand that Scotland and Wales are separate nations; for some odd reason, they don't extend the same respect to the other Celtic nations. So be it.

    Ahh...all clear now. :)

    Steve
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    English maps refer to 'Londonderry'; Irish maps refer to 'Derry'. English maps show Cornwall to be part of England, but would you like to see a Cornish map? :)

    Incidentally, a Cornish flag flies in my office and sometimes outside our front door. The middle name of one of my sons is 'Lowen', the Cornish word for 'happy'. My wife makes the most phenomenal Cornish pasties, despite being English.

    Now, if we want to start a 'real' tradition (and get back on topic), let's have a boat race every year down the Tamar: A Cornish crew versus an English crew, with no holds barred. :)
     
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    Well you should of told me that earlier, when we pop down to perranporth for the weekend I can tell the kids and the gf we are going abroad :D
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    Absolutely! Don't forget your passports - and watch for the Cornish flag and coat of arms as you cross the bridge into Cornwall.

    Perranporth is a beautiful place. In Cornish, it means "the cove of Piran", and Piran is our patron saint of miners. Many's the time that we went there for holidays. I hope you have a wonderful time.
     
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  • #54
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    Cornish are their own race? You're spouting rubbish. And I suppose this mystical race is a superior, pure, race chosen by god?.....who else said that?!?! :p
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    Superior? No. Throughout history, rather downtrodden.
    Pure? No. Among the most rough and ready people on the island of Great Britain.
    Chosen by God? No. John Wesley was almost killed on several of his visits.
    Proud? Yes, most definitely.

    This is what the English don't get: The Welsh are not English, the Scottish are not English, and the Irish are not English. Why would you think the other Celtic nations are English? We are not. It's history, it's culture, and it's community. We're not better or superior, but in many ways we are different.

    (Sorry, Gillie, for hijacking your thread.)
     
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    Cornish Steve said:
    Superior? No. Throughout history, rather downtrodden.
    Pure? No. Among the most rough and ready people on the island of Great Britain.
    Chosen by God? No. John Wesley was almost killed on several of his visits.
    Proud to be Cornish? Yes, most definitely.

    This is what the English don't get: The Welsh are not English, the Scottish are not English, and the Irish are not English. Why would you think the other Celtic nations are English? We are not. It's history, it's culture, and it's community. We're not better or superior, but in many ways we are different.
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    Isn't everyone different?? :rolleyes:
     
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    Cornish Steve said:
    Despite obviously being an emmet, you got that one right! How would a Scot or a Welshman react when called an Englishman? The very thought is absurd. The Celts are a completely different race, and our languages aren't even Germanic. Despite his good intentions, 'This and That' was lucky to escape without a strike.
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    Cornish Steve has his eccentricities, but he has been a good voice on here for years. Since he's often defended me when i have been at the brunt, i will do the same.
    For your information he is a Cornishman with a US tint to his voice. He is probably also more travelled than that Palin chap. :)
    One of the few on here i'd like to have a pint with.
     
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    Cornish Steve said:
    Despite obviously being an emmet, you got that one right! How would a Scot or a Welshman react when called an Englishman? The very thought is absurd. The Celts are a completely different race, and our languages aren't even Germanic. Despite his good intentions, 'This and That' was lucky to escape without a strike.
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    Emmets typically are tourists to Cornwall.Its a nasty pejorative and belittling term used by the Cornish to the Cornish..about visitors.Interesting that their economy would be even more screwed without visitors. Nasty word use by nasty people. My experience of people I heard use the term was that they were usually below average height and vey difficult to understand unless they stopped hopping up and down:D

    Celts ( I am one ) are a very nomadic grouping of people if you look at history. They have always been on the move..they did not invent Cornwall nor did they emerge from the tin mines of Redruth.

    It is a matter of historical fact that the celts who settled in Cornwall and in Wales were in fact British celts driven out of England by the Anglo Saxons. So they are not a completely different race-complete tosh. Not all the British celts fled...in fact most did ot so Cornish people and tose from other parts of the UK have a shared gene pool...so sorry to be the one to bring you down with such a thump.

    Most Cornish people are fine ..those who use the word emmet as used above are simply playground bullies as this poster-cum ex-Cornish-Atlanta based UKBF-mod should know.

    As regards his comment re ThisandThat. Shame on him-no redress for the chap and unfair comment.
     
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    Gillie said:
    Isn't everyone different?? :rolleyes:
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    Yes, we are all different. So why even use the term 'English'? Why do some berate the French? Why behave in such an insular manner?

    In part, because of history. In part, because of ethnicity. In part, because of a common language and culture. We label ourselves because we share various things in common with other people.

    But, if we're going to label ourselves, let's at least get it right. To label a Cornishman as English is akin to calling a Welshman English. It's inaccurate and frustrating.
     
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    Astartraining said:
    Cornish Steve has his eccentricities, but he has been a good voice on here for years. Since he's often defended me when i have been at the brunt, i will do the same.
    For your information he is a Cornishman with a US tint to his voice. He is probably also more travelled than that Palin chap. :)
    One of the few on here i'd like to have a pint with.
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    Thank, Al. Your fiver is in the mail. ;)
     
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    Cornish Steve said:
    Oh, come one. It was humour! I already apologized for failing to add a smiley.
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    Well, That's alright then :) We are all mates again..

    Now, not wishing to miss the oppotunity now that I have your attention:

    Did you ever wonder why most Cornish people have a strong Spanish accent ? Thought not ....(yellow smiley face please....:))

    Well,its because a small but significant Spanish force landed in Mousehole in 1595 and chased evryone around for a bit before gettig back in their galleons. (I knew this piece of useless info would come in handy one day)...and the rest as they say is history...

    http://west-penwith.org.uk/raid.htm

    I did wonder when I lived there why there were so many Tapas bars in Penzance.

    smiley please maestro....:)

    (with apologies to Earl who might normally be expexted to be the one to post at this level of left of field intellectual gravity)
     
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    captaincloser said:
    Well, That's alright then :) We are all mates again..

    Now, not wishing to miss the oppotunity now that I have your attention:

    Did you ever wonder why most Cornish people have a strong Spanish accent ? Thought not ....(yellow smiley face please....:))

    Well,its because a small but significant Spanish force landed in Mousehole in 1595 and chased evryone around for a bit before gettig back in their galleons. (I knew this piece of useless info would come in handy one day)...and the rest as they say is history...

    http://west-penwith.org.uk/raid.htm

    I did wonder when I lived there why there were so many Tapas bars in Penzance.

    smiley please maestro....:)

    (with apologies to Earl who might normally be expexted to be the one to post at this level of left of field intellectual gravity)
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    Ah - but we've more than made up for that little Spanish incident. There are Cornish colonies all across the US (Marblehead in MA was originally called Fowey, having been founded by cod fishermen; then there's Falmouth on Cape Cod), in Canada, plenty in Australia, in South Africa, and more. And today, I'm sure we're making our mark on the Costa del Sol. As they say, wherever there's a hole, you'll find cousin Jack in it somewhere.
     
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    Cornish colonies? There must be lots of Cornish blood in Africa, from the times African pirates would kidnapped Cornish villagers and take them back to Africa to be slaves.

    There are about as many Cornish Colonies as there are from the mighty empire of the Cook Islands.
     
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    Perhaps you'd prefer the term diaspora?

    Please note that the article suggests the All Blacks and some other international rugby teams may exist because of the Cornish abroad. ;) Former Australian prime minister Bob Hawke was a descendant of Cornish miners. There are estimated to be about two million people in the US who are of Cornish descent. Along with other Celts (particularly the Irish), the Cornish have played an important role in the history of the US. And Cornish speaking 'colonies' have been found in several remote locations, including Brazil.

    One place I find really interesting is Tangier Island, off the coast of Virginia. Their accent is strongly Cornish, having been settled over three centuries ago by Cornish fishermen. Just listen to this...
     
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