Beware of Google's in house "experts"

wevet

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A cautionary tale for anyone new to Google adwords:

I got a call a few days ago from Google offerring the services of one of their adword optimization experts. I had an extensive conversation from one of their Mumbai based "experts" and gave her the go ahead to set up a campaign. (Over the years I have had many such calls but this time I thought "ok, you say you are the experts lets see what you can do".)

To be honest, before the conversation had concluded I was pretty certain that I would almost certainy not initiate the campaign she was going to set up.

The adwords campaign relates to my very niche self drive car transporter hire business. We hire out car transporters for the purpose of moving cars. That is it. The campaign I suggested to her was to set one up based on our Nottingham location. The band of keywords for this business is very narrow.

The expert asked if she should make the campaign live straight away I declined that offer and asked for it to be paused so that I could review it.

So what did the expert's campaign set up look like?

Of the 170 search terms I would say maybe 15 related to my business. The rest of the search terms are based on "self drive car hire"

In fact of the 10 ads she devised all bar 2 had "car hire" "car rental" "discount car hire" or "self drive car hire" as the theme. These terms are expensive as they are amongst the most highly searched on terms in the world. One of the terms is "car rental heathrow"!

All the keywords were broad match.

The campaign was set for the display network - unless you pick which sites in the display network to show on this is a short cut to emptying your bank account.

I had specifically stated I was interested in promoting a specific location. The geographical parameters were left at "worldwide"

I finally got someone to get back to me from Google and asked them to review what had been suggested. I received a call back to say that the campaign had been reviewed and it was their opinion that a "wonderfull" and "productive" campaign had been set and "we wish you well with it".

I understand that novices who setup a new adwords campaign automatically qualify for Google adwords expert help.

One might conclude the campaign set up for me was totally, wholly and utterly self serving for Google and hang the consquences on the client. Alternatively one might take the benign view that this was one single incompetent "expert" whose work was double checked by an equally incompetent "expert". Either way it would have been an expensive mistake.

Had I been a novice and had taken the expert at her word I would have during the last week have spent £840 on this one campaign. (Their suggested budget level was £120 per day).

The ads were 80% irrelevant.
The keywords were around 90% irrelevant
The campaign should have been set for a geographic area.
There should have been selectivity on what sites in the display network the ads would be found on
 

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You took out a contract with someone who phoned you up claiming to be Google? :eek:

Also after all this time I can't believe you still think they're Googles experts! These companies, although not scammers, pry on peoples ignorance/stupidity and make you pay over the odds to setup google ad campaigns which any person with basic understanding of computers can do. Are you getting value for your money? Are you paying that extra for their expertise? Clearly not.

SEO is the big new scam for businesses so I recommend caution and go to a proper expert and not some phone rep who phoned you up claiming he can get you 'on the first page'. Did they actually say how much percentage they take from your £840?
 
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We are approached almost daily by Google and Facebook "authorised agents". Most we ignore, some we'll challenge directly when the claims get particularly outrageous.

If you are after good SEO advice try the SEO thread on this forum, plenty of seasoned old sorts who actually know their way around fish oil :p
 
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It wasn't Google who phoned you. It will be a company proclaiming to be 'part of Google' or 'working on behalf of Google' which means they have an AdWords account in their name and that is about it.

Be more careful in future and have a scout of these forums, you could have saved yourself some money and time.
 
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I believe its rare for anyone to be contacted, or indeed in contact with, Google so learn from this that anyone can set up adwords and anyone can take your money. Getting it back after things go wrong is much harder!

A shame you've had to put up with this so hope it sorts itself out
 
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There was an article about this on Radio 4 the other week.

A guy from Google said that if you are called by someone from Google, always tell them you need their email address. If it isn't x x x (at) g o o g l e . c o m (spread because forum isn't letting me post it correctly) they aren't from Google. (Gmail and googlemail, anyone can get, by the way). If it is a google.com address, hang up and send them an email to call you.

Good advice, I suspect.

Vin
 
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Interesting advice from someone who has been here a few weeks with 5 previous posts, to someone who's been here 3 years and has 770 posts. :eek:

Steve

Just because you've been here a long time, doesn't mean your not a complete and utter idiot. Or even someone who would go out of their way to attack someone else's business, purely because they are a nasty sort.

That's not aimed at you Steve, just saying like.
 
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    I had the same, I took them up on the offer and my bill went through the roof, yes I was getting loads more traffic but not loads more sales. I started to look into the account to find many keywords we’re not applicable. For example we sell outdoor pvc banners, and we had the keywords ‘animated banners’, ‘flash banners’, ‘website banners’ and others… although these are related to the work banners they are not what we sell. So my advice is check everything they do carefully…

    On a positive note, they did explain some of the things I didn’t fully understand and this was rather helpful.
     
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    Just because you've been here a long time, doesn't mean your not a complete and utter idiot. Or even someone who would go out of their way to attack someone else's business, purely because they are a nasty sort.

    That's not aimed at you Steve, just saying like.

    It wasn't that a newbie was giving advice to an old-stager - as you say, there's no reason why the newbie might know more - it was the phrase, "have a scout of these forums" that amused me.

    Steve
     
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    You took out a contract with someone who phoned you up claiming to be Google? :eek:

    Also after all this time I can't believe you still think they're Googles experts! These companies, although not scammers, pry on peoples ignorance/stupidity and make you pay over the odds to setup google ad campaigns which any person with basic understanding of computers can do. Are you getting value for your money? Are you paying that extra for their expertise? Clearly not.

    SEO is the big new scam for businesses so I recommend caution and go to a proper expert and not some phone rep who phoned you up claiming he can get you 'on the first page'. Did they actually say how much percentage they take from your £840?

    He hasn't taken out anything - he has reviewed it before it has gone live and seen what a waste of money it would be.
     
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    Google do setup and "optimise" new accounts on your behalf (I checked with our Google account manager). All you have to do is call 0844 338 0341 - they will either talk you through the process or offer to setup the campaign(s) for you. You can see the number advertised on the Google AdWords home page - where you will also find a link for more info (it will detail the service they offer, can't post links yet, sorry)

    Google have also been calling people, directly, to offer this service.

    We have recently picked up a number of clients who have been through this process with Google and their experience is very, very similar to the OP's.

    So I for one believe that it was Google that called the OP and setup the campaign :eek:
     
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    Google contacted me also after a few months of setting up my first campaign. As I was struggling to get to grips with everything such as quality score etc I found it helpful. They created some new campaigns and helped me get a better selection of traffic instead of broad junk. They also explained negative keywords and added a few to start me off. It's free help usually to those within the first few months of starting up on Adwords. May not be for everyone but for a few it can help some until they figure all the Adwords processes out themselves or decide to hire an expert.

    This is not a scam but a free service offered by Google usually to new Adwords customers. I too was speaking with someone from India.
     
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    It wasn't that a newbie was giving advice to an old-stager - as you say, there's no reason why the newbie might know more - it was the phrase, "have a scout of these forums" that amused me.

    Steve

    In hindsight. It came out a little wrong. However, the SEO part of this forum should still prevent this kind of thing from happening anyway..especially with a seasoned UKBF member.

    Simply ask for a review of the service from those who have used it. Thus probably saving money and time.:)
     
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    It wasn't Google.

    I see you offer ppc services, yet you seem to miss the obvious and are unable to spot a very old scam.

    We do offer PPC services - however I am not here to tout for business. Also am more than aware of the huge number of various scams, new and old. :p

    Was merely trying to point out that Google do and will setup a campaign on your behalf and optimise it. I have one such account in our MCC as we speak.

    Granted it may not have been Google on this occasion, but having just had a very similar case from a customer that was Google, thought I would post about it.
     
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    There's a difference between Google phoning you up and helping you setup your accounts and a company setting up an account and taking a big % of your advertising income for commision.

    Why do you think they set it at worldwide and have completely irrelevant keywords? Yes you get 10,000 clicks a day but 99.99% of which are useless. The more clicks the advert gets the more money they make and can jusify the ridiculous budget they advised. There's no way you would need to spend that much on a local business of this type to get on the front page of google. I'd be surprised if it you had to spend this a month.
     
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    directmarketingadvice

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    Was merely trying to point out that Google do and will setup a campaign on your behalf and optimise it. I have one such account in our MCC as we speak.

    I've just this minute finished reviewing the account of someone who set up his own campaign, had google "optimise" it, and is wondering if I can improve it.

    So I don't know why people are so sure it wasn't Google.

    Steve
     
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    I'm willing to bet my right **** it wasn't.

    As someone else mentioned it was featured on R4 the other week but the world is full of suckers.
    You only have to see the O/P's previous posts about adwords to judge his credibility. On two occasions I can recall he was calling google for pricing him out of the market - at the time his site was loading trojans on unsuspecting visitors.
     
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    I've just this minute finished reviewing the account of someone who set up his own campaign, had google "optimise" it, and is wondering if I can improve it.

    So I don't know why people are so sure it wasn't Google.

    Steve

    I have not heard of the Google corporation providing such services, although it may be ture.

    The thing that does not quite hold for me is ethics. If Google offers fee-paid advice to one advertiser to gain advantage over other advertisers who as a result have to pay more to get their ad campaigns (which are effectively auctions to maximise PPC) to compete is this ethically correct? Would Google be abusing their position? It would seem more reasonable that the same advice is given to all advertisers.

    I am not an expert on this, it is just a thought.
     
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    I had a similar call from someone at google offering the same service. They helped me with my adwords campaign. Some things i took onboard and some i didnt. It definatley was google and not agents'.

    I have on a few occosions got in touch with the person at google who helped me with my adowrds account whenever i have had issues using adwords and always got a response.
     
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    Hi,

    Ok - I thought I had a handle on this, but with lots of people above saying 'this is a scam , its not google' - i'm a bit lost !

    Surely, the 'scam' only works if it IS google ?

    I set up an addwords list - it runs - people click on it - google makes money.

    If they get me to set up crap words - then maybe google make even more money.

    But how does someone else make money from this ?

    There was no mention in the OP's post about a fee to them to do it - so for my money - this was google.

    Am I missing something ?

    All the best

    Steve
     
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    mit74

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    Hi,

    Ok - I thought I had a handle on this, but with lots of people above saying 'this is a scam , its not google' - i'm a bit lost !

    Surely, the 'scam' only works if it IS google ?

    I set up an addwords list - it runs - people click on it - google makes money.

    If they get me to set up crap words - then maybe google make even more money.

    But how does someone else make money from this ?

    There was no mention in the OP's post about a fee to them to do it - so for my money - this was google.

    Am I missing something ?

    All the best

    Steve


    They take a commission. They take £100 from you and spend £50 on advertising and keep £50 for themselves. Maybe not that high a percent but some scam companies do. Most companies wouldn't be able to check how much is spent on actual PPC as the account would not be in their name.
     
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    They take a commission. They take £100 from you and spend £50 on advertising and keep £50 for themselves. Maybe not that high a percent but some scam companies do. Most companies wouldn't be able to check how much is spent on actual PPC as the account would not be in their name.

    Yes but in the OP's case he was able to log into his account and see the changes Google's optimisation team had made, including the daily budget they were proposing. That's because the optimisation team don't set up a new account for you - they're able to get into your existing account if you give permission for them to do so. It's potentially a useful service, but not if you (like the OP) get saddled with an inexperienced member of the team who's being supervised by someone equally inexperienced :)

    There seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread where people are assuming that the OP was contacted by a scam company. The OP, for whatever reason (and I'm sure he did his homework) believes it was Google's genuine optimisation team (which is a real thing which does actually exist) that contacted him and created the new campaign - so why shouldn't we believe that too? :)

    You say yourself "most companies wouldn't be able to check how much is spent on actual PPC as the account would not be in their name" - well, in this case the account *is* the OP's existing account (otherwise how did he log in and see the changes Google had proposed?) and so it's fair to assume he was contacted by Google and not by a scam company :)

    There are indeed a lot of scam companies pretending to be representatives of Google, and they're rotten to the core, ripping off small businesses left, right and centre - *spit*. In this instance though, what the OP is describing is an inexperienced member of Google's optimisation team setting up a campaign that was (a) very badly constructed and 'optimised', and (b) was going to cost the OP a lot of money for no results while lining Google's pocket with ad revenue from a bunch of totally irrelevant clicks.
     
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    Yes but in the OP's case he was able to log into his account and see the changes Google's optimisation team had made, including the daily budget they were proposing....

    Or he seen the changes some random guy in India made, using the login and password he provided over the phone.


    Then next month he gets an invoice from the Indian for all the services he "agreed" to.

    Or the Indian uses the victims Adwords account to spend £200 on clicks to generate £100 of revenue on a credit card application lead gen site that he owns personally.
     
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    You took out a contract with someone who phoned you up claiming to be Google? :eek:

    Also after all this time I can't believe you still think they're Googles experts! These companies, although not scammers, pry on peoples ignorance/stupidity and make you pay over the odds to setup google ad campaigns which any person with basic understanding of computers can do. Are you getting value for your money? Are you paying that extra for their expertise? Clearly not.

    SEO is the big new scam for businesses so I recommend caution and go to a proper expert and not some phone rep who phoned you up claiming he can get you 'on the first page'. Did they actually say how much percentage they take from your £840?

    No this was a call actually from Google which was originated because we set up a new Google adwords account in a new company name. So this was Google's "welcome" to someone who they thought was a new advertiser. (
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    I know this was the genuine article especially as I contacted Google to have the campaignb double checked.

    I would suggest that Google is ahead of the field when it comes to scams.
     
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    wevet

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    What leads you to believe that these people weren't Google?

    If Wevet says it was google, I believe him.

    Steve
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    Thanks Steve for your acknowledgement.

    I field a dozen plus calls a week fom "Hello I am calling from Google"
    So, unless there is a scamster using this email address:
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    and has the ability to go into my adwords account and set up an account I tend reckon this was a genuine person from the company which "does no evil"

    The scary thing is that we have people operating at Google with eitehr zero competence or acting no differently to any other scam artist.
     
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    directmarketingadvice

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    Thanks Steve for your acknowledgement.

    I field a dozen plus calls a week fom "Hello I am calling from Google"
    So, unless there is a scamster using this email address:
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    and has the ability to go into my adwords account and set up an account I tend reckon this was a genuine person from the company which "does no evil"

    You've been around long here enough to know your arse from your elbow, so when you said it was Google - plus the fact it was your account they were using, and you didn't mention a fee - I believed it was google.

    Steve
     
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