Anyone Use Lead Forensics?

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They contacted me a few weeks ago offering me a trial of their product, which I have just started and must say I am a little impressed.

Basically, you put some code on your website and what this does is 'backtrace' your visitors, you then login to your admin panel and the ones they have been able to source are listed, it shows the company name and pages they visited.....

This could be a good tool for following up people who are interested in the service/product you offer, that didnt contact you.... but of course could be abused and considered some form of spam or offensive.

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This what they told me:

"[FONT=&quot]All we are doing is tracking so we don't use or drop cookies.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The tracking code that's applied to your site will do a reverse IP search and we will match the data manually or by our data base.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The information we are giving you is free domain info we only break a law if we gave you a person's name.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]We can only match about 55% of the traffic from your site as we can't pick up dynamic or static IP which we wouldn't want to anyway.[/FONT]"
 
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This what they told me:

"[FONT=&quot]All we are doing is tracking so we don’t use or drop cookies.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The tracking code that’s applied to your site will do a reverse IP search and we will match the data manually or by our data base.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The information we are giving you is free domain info we only break a law if we gave you a person’s name.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We can only match about 55% of the traffic from your site as we can’t pick up dynamic or static IP which we wouldn’t want to anyway.[/FONT]"

Surely with that approach, they would only be able to trace users from corporate networks with their own IP range. Reverse lookups on the IPs of any other visitors would just return details of their ISP.
 
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I wouldn't be happy to get a phone call from someone whose website I had been looking at but then I don't like cold calling.

Nobody likes to have their day interrupted by a phone call about something they aren't interested in.

People spend a lot of money on Adwords and other forms of marketing to increase website visitors, whether or not you like the follow up phone call add-on service, it's important to understand your visitors' user experience on your website. For example, analysing exit pages can identify a page that might need to be improved. The software is pretty cool even without the add-on service.

You're exactly right that people often don't like being called. The situation is a bit different when that website visitor was close to making a buying decision. To them, the phone call is a pleasant surprise and gives the impression that the company is organised and has good customer service processes in place. Also that engagement with a real person can help answer their questions or doubts about the company.

Personally, I think any company spending resources on driving traffic to their website whether it be money on Adwords or time on blogging/ Social Media should try to engage with each visitor as much as possible. . . but I'm biased as I provide the software and follow up service. :p

To call, or not to call: that is the question:

What do the rest of you think?

As a business owner, would you find it useful to have someone call and speak to your website vistiors?

As a website visitor, how would you feel if you received a follow up phone call after visiting a website?
 
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I did a free trial with these guys too it was good.

My opinion is that I would not like to get a cold call.

I suppose there are pro's & con's to it.

The thing I found with it was yes it gave me the company & phone number that was on my site but what if it was a company with 50 people I call, the receptionist answers and I report that someone was on your website and I am just following up how she going to know who it was out of 49 people!
 
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Surely with that approach, they would only be able to trace users from corporate networks with their own IP range. Reverse lookups on the IPs of any other visitors would just return details of their ISP.

Our software can identify any company, from anywhere, as long as they’re set up so that they can be identified. As mentioned, in the quote from Lead Forensics, only companies can be identified never individuals, and there's a percentage of companies where only the IP address is obtainable.

The company identification part of the software isn't of interest to people who sell B2C, but for B2B customers identifying a percentage of these companies can be really useful. Even if you choose not to call, the company name helps make the data more meaningful. For example it gets exciting when you see that Company X was looking at our Products Y & Z. They returned to the website 5 times in one week.
 
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I did a free trial with these guys too it was good.

if it was a company with 50 people I call, the receptionist answers and I report that someone was on your website and I am just following up how she going to know who it was out of 49 people!

You're quite right that receptionists won't be able to match you up with the person visiting the site. Let's use your company as an example. You receive your daily email update showing you a local hotel has visited your site. You check out the visitor path and see that they spent most of the time on site looking at your IP CCTV page. When you speak to the receptionist, you ask to speak to the person responsible for Hotel security. When they ask who is calling, you explain that you understand that someone from the Hotel was looking at the CCTV pages of your website, so you'd like to have a quick chat with the person in charge of Hotel Security.

Often times, a cold call will get blocked by a gate-keeper / receptionist. I've been a gate-keeper when working as a Personal Assistant for Directors. As a Personal Assistant, it was my job to protect my employer's time. Hearing that someone was searching on the website gives the gate-keeper reassurance that the call might be of interest. Even if you don't speak to the exact person who viewed the website, you're now speaking to the decision maker for a company who is likely to need their CCTV system replaced. That is much more targeted than cold calling.

Another really effective approach is to use the receptionist to your advantage. When the receptionist answers, explain that someone from the company was looking at CCTV on your website. Ask the receptionist for the email address of the person in charge of Hotel Security, so you can email them some additional information. Now you can drip feed them tailored information in an email marketing campaign.

Some of these calls may go nowhere, but with the right strategy, they can support the sales process and help conversion.

(As consumers, we think, yuck, I don't want to visit a website and end up having to climb out of somebody's sales funnel! As business people, we need to get as many people sliding down that sales funnel as possible.)
 
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Our software can identify any company, from anywhere, as long as they’re set up so that they can be identified. As mentioned, in the quote from Lead Forensics, only companies can be identified never individuals, and there's a percentage of companies where only the IP address is obtainable.

The company identification part of the software isn't of interest to people who sell B2C, but for B2B customers identifying a percentage of these companies can be really useful. Even if you choose not to call, the company name helps make the data more meaningful. For example it gets exciting when you see that Company X was looking at our Products Y & Z. They returned to the website 5 times in one week.

Does it require manual/human filtering to determine which results are genuine and which results are ISPs?
 
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Surely with that approach, they would only be able to trace users from corporate networks with their own IP range. Reverse lookups on the IPs of any other visitors would just return details of their ISP.
If you sell to business, that's a good thing. Although, how big does a business typically have to be before they would show up? Or, if I use a regular ISP but have a fixed IP, does that allow the tool to identify me somehow?

I think it's an interesting tool, for me less as a direct sales tool but a way to see if my website is being viewed by the kind of demographic I'm interested in.
 
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Google Analytics will provide similar information and for most people it’s free. Here’s how:

Login to Google Analytics and click on Standard Reporting at the top. Then click on Audience on the left hand side, then expand Technology then click on Network. Choose a date range in the top right hand corner (e.g. Yesterday) to keep the results manageable. Then review the list of Service Providers at the bottom of the report (you made need to change the Show Rows drop down at the bottom of the page to see them all).

If you sell to universities, public sector, SMEs or technology companies then you’ll probably recognise many of the visitors to your website. You can tidy up the data by clicking on “advanced” and setting filters such as “Excluding Service Provider Containing ntl”. You could also click on Email to send yourself a daily report.

If you have a dedicated telemarketing resource then I can see how this could be used to cold call and hunt around for new leads or additional influencers within an account however it’s all a bit too hit and miss for my liking. When designing the Sales Module for WorksIQ we focused on tracking the activities of real, known contacts so you can be alerted in real time when existing contacts are showing interest in your products again.
 
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Google Analytics will provide similar information and for most people it’s free. Here’s how:

Login to Google Analytics and click on Standard Reporting at the top. Then click on Audience on the left hand side, then expand Technology then click on Network. Choose a date range in the top right hand corner (e.g. Yesterday) to keep the results manageable. Then review the list of Service Providers at the bottom of the report (you made need to change the Show Rows drop down at the bottom of the page to see them all).

Yes, that's an answer that is free and provides a basic level of data but there's little value in knowing just a company name - you need to know what they searched for, which pages they looked at, how long they were on each page etc. etc.

'Free' is a dangerous word when you work out how much time it takes to fiddle with things like Google Analytics to end up with a result that's not what it needs to be.

The providers like lead forensics, a1webstats, wow, etc. all have different pricing/functionality and will appeal to different people - the key point is that they're there because Google Analytics isn't man enough to do the job properly when it comes to digging deep into visitors data - particularly visiting companies. In my view it comes down to a decision on what people's time is worth and what they want to gain out of analytics.

Don't get me wrong - Google Analytics is fantastic for many things but not in this particular case. Google Analytics should ideally be used in combination with products from alternative analytics providers to get the best of all worlds.

Just my tuppence worth!
 
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Following on from this post I agree 100% with Uchet, Google analytics is a great tool and essential for any marketeers but it's main purpose is to monitor your web stats and to hone in your keywords and pay per click and monitor your trends and stats and minimise your cost per enquiry.
Lead Forensics was developed to help you maximise your return for this activity by identifying the visitors to your site who are actively looking for your product or service and providing you with key information about that visit to help you to target them directly and convert them into clients.

As we all know getting companies to visit your website is essential to generating new business but actually getting them to contact you is the really difficult part. If they are looking at your site you can almost guarantee they are looking at all of the other companies that are offering a similar product or service and then it is normally just a waiting game.

Lead Forensics gives you key information on who is in the market for your service or product, shows you what they are look at and for and allows you the opportunity to speak directly to these businesses days/weeks or even months before they start to make enquiries to your competitors giving you a competitive head start.

If you saw someone in your shop looking at your products wouldn't you engage them? Your website is the 21st century equivalent of your shopfront.

When it comes to following up these visits I wouldn't suggest just calling them up and saying 'hey, I have seen you on our website how can I help you?' this approach won't always work, going back to Officehounds example if you saw that a large manufacturing company were looking for IP CCTV solutions although you don't know who that person is I bet there aren't too many people in that company that could sign off the spend on something like that so I would search the we (linked in/forums etc) for a key purchasing decision maker or security contact and I would focus my attention on them, I would call them and I would just simply introduce our IP CCTV solutions directly, most of the time I wouldn't even mention that I had seen them on my site, I would just use this information to my benefit and be safe in the knowledge that they are in the market and use that information to offer them exactly what they are looking for and save them the time and effort of searching any further.

Lead Forensics is delivering a huge return for thousands of businesses around the world, if you have any questions or would like to see/trial the tool for yourself please feel free to contact me directly either by pm or you can call me directly.
 
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There's a ton of competition in this space from people like Leadformix, et al.

Knowing who's on your site is great for passing leads to a sales team, IF those visitors are sales ready leads... which is something you can only guess at by knowing what they looked at.

Before jumping into that, consider looking at Pardot and Hubspot marketing automation tools. They incorporate the web intel technology you're reviewing and include a ton more.

Marketing automation will give you the ability to track users end to end, including via social, email clicks, direct, organic, etc. It not only shows you who's on site and what they've done, but gives you the ability to drip-feed messages to them, based on their readiness.

Being able to automatically nurture leads, scoring them based on their actions and giving them the right content at the right time will then move people from the top of the marketing funnel, on through to being sales ready leads at the bottom, where you THEN give them a call.
 
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The thing I found with it was yes it gave me the company & phone number that was on my site but what if it was a company with 50 people I call, the receptionist answers and I report that someone was on your website and I am just following up how she going to know who it was out of 49 people!

and there's the problem... if a member of staff from Marks and Spencer uses her lunchtime to browse the net then how useful would it be to you to be given the main reception number of M&S?

OP, have you considered something like Zopim ?

Ray
 
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We've used Lead Forensics, Demandbase (they have an awesome widget that sits on your desktop, very cool), and a number of other companies offering the same service. We're currently trialling IPFingerprint and find it to be a lot easier to use than the above mentioned. I think (don't take my word for it) they offer a month on month contract too...which, as I'm sure you'll agree, is much better than being tied into 12 month contract *gulp*.
 
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Hi,

It's quite interesting to read all of the comments on here about lead Forensics and the other similar systems and peoples take on the usefulness and position in the market place.

I had never heard of Lead Forensics until we were asked to build something similar for a company who had used Lead Forensics as a white label version, their main concern was how much it cost and wanted to develop a cheaper alternative.

Initially I wasn't sure of the whole thing, like many I thought, I could just use Google Analytics, I also found trailing some of these systems they were very awkward and confusing to use. However once I had invested some time and played with the idea, I could see the potential.

Today we have an alternate product that we will be releasing at some point in the near future and so finding this tread has been quite useful.
Realistically, all our systems along with others like Lead Forensic, Leads Explorer, etc. are just reverse IP look up tools, which in a basic form are quite simple to build and with a little bit of JavaScript we can collect different pieces of information about a company visiting a website. Of course the first step is to instantly bin any visitor from a residential broadband supplier, as the information is useless. But many companies and not necessarily big corporate entities will identify themselves.

So getting this information isn't too difficult, but it's what you do with the data and how you use it, that makes the system either a valuable business asset or a waste of money.

You will always get somebody sat at work looking through the internet on their lunch hour or browsing during a 10 minute tea break, but the information you really want is the information that shows regular, multiple visits and the data on the pages they visit, how long they spend on that page etc.
For example you might be a company that provides computer equipment and you notice that customer A, in the last two days has visited your website and looked at a specific page which is selling a HP Printer, that same customer looks again ten minutes later and then throughout the afternoon it looks a couple more times, the customer then looks at the printer ink for that model, then looks at your delivery charges etc., but then stops. You might also find that that visitor came from a competitor’s website and from a page which sells the same product.

These kinds of systems can collect an abundance of information, which can be used to create a sequential and time related trail through a website to show how long a visitor spent on a page, how many times they viewed that page etc. It might be that they look at a particular product frequently throughout a week, but you never get an email enquiry or a sales call.
In the right hands this information could be valuable, whether it is passed to a sales team or email marketer, suddenly you have a target audience that you didn't have before.

The reality is that these systems will not be useful for everybody, but to some with strong sales teams who are always looking for new ways to build data to which they can market their company and services to they can be invaluable.

At the end of the day, they collect and provide the same data. Some do it better than others, and some give more facilities than the others. But that’s all they do is provide data. Data which isn't particularly hard to collect, but takes a lot of managing to provide it in a way that s easily useable and friendly and in a format which sales teams can work from to achieve the desired results.
 
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My experience of using the Lead Forensics service, which I'm still paying for due to being locked in a contract, is that it doesn't work for me. My target customers are independent retail jewellers and most of the tracking results were picking up large companies with no connection to the jewellery trade at all or a couple of my existing customers. It was disappointing that I wasn't able to have a decent free trial to establish if it was going to work but I still signed up even with a niggling doubt that it would work. It sounded like a good idea at the time and curiosity got the better of me, luckily I have a 6 month opt out clause in the contract.

From experience with SEO companies in the early days of the internet, contracts with fixed periods have always concerned me because if a service is good and works, then you'll keep using it and won't need to be forced into a contract.

My account manager rang me about a month into the contract to see how I was getting on with the service and when I told him it wasn't working he promised to go away and have a think about what they could do to get better results. I can only assume he's still thinking because I haven't heard from him since.

Big thumbs down from my experience but I can see that it might work in other areas, erm...... maybe.
 
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That observation about Lead Forensics is something that we (A1WebStats) hear over and over again - literally every day. I can see why, in a world where most companies (amazingly!) still have no awareness that it's possible to track companies visiting their website ... that they get hooked by the prospect and sign up (after a minimal trial period), ending up in a long contract period (and sometimes realising they made a mistake).

It would be crass of me to give exact numbers, but we get substantial signups from people who have tried Lead Forensics, aren't comfortable with the short trial period (and limited access to data), plus the costs of course, and have searched online for alternatives.

I fully understand why Lead Forensics have that business model ("get them interested and get their money for the next year") but it goes completely against the ethics of ourselves and many other analytics providers in this space.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Lead Forensics will be forced to adapt their model over the next year. Watch this space - they will have to follow those of us who offer month to month arrangements, with full access to trials. Even if that meant less business for us, it would help keep the reputation of analytics providers 'healthy' instead of the industry being tarnished by unhealthy practices.

This of course applies to any services provided online - let people get in and out easily and keep them as buyers by providing a service that makes them feel that they're getting good value for their investment.
 
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Excellent thread, I had an offer to become a reseller of a similar product. Part of me thinks it's all wrong, and I lot of people are going to be upset receiving a call just from landing on a web site. Then again if it can improve conversions from 1 out of 100 to 4 in one hundred then for certain businesses it would be amazing, For now I'm still on the fence.
 
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Part of me thinks it's all wrong, and I lot of people are going to be upset receiving a call just from landing on a web site.

It's a very sensitive subject. In our experience, some people are freaked out, some see the caller as being proactive (tracking visitors), and others don't care either way.

From my side of the fence we (of course) see the big increases in business gained by companies who use such analytics, but they are the companies who treat the data sensitively, being very cautious not to make the call recipients feel as if it's 'big brother'. To steam in with "we know you've been on our website, looking at X, Y, and Z, plus what you had for breakfast" is obviously not the right way to do it.

In the next few years, I feel that people will become accustomed to such software (the resellers of the various offerings will increase exponentially, of that there's no doubt, just based on what we see ourselves). Then (although they should be doing it now) companies will start thinking "hang on, why are we focusing so much on companies who visited us and didn't make contact, instead of trying to make our online presences stronger so that more of those people make contact in the first place?".
 
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From our experience, avoid them! You can't get out of your contract and when you try cancel, they will tell you to wait until your 12 month contract has expired, at which point they auto-renew you - without notification - into another 12 month contract which they won't allow you to cancel. Very bad business practise. Think carefully before signing up.
 
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From our experience, avoid them! You can't get out of your contract and when you try cancel, they will tell you to wait until your 12 month contract has expired, at which point they auto-renew you - without notification - into another 12 month contract which they won't allow you to cancel. Very bad business practise. Think carefully before signing up.

"Won't allow?" just cancel the DD and if they complain, show the email where you stated prior to the end of the 12-month period you didn't wish to renew.
 
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They contacted me a few weeks ago offering me a trial of their product, which I have just started and must say I am a little impressed.

Basically, you put some code on your website and what this does is 'backtrace' your visitors, you then login to your admin panel and the ones they have been able to source are listed, it shows the company name and pages they visited.....

This could be a good tool for following up people who are interested in the service/product you offer, that didnt contact you.... but of course could be abused and considered some form of spam or offensive.

Craig
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So basically instead of advertising a product like everyone else letting people find them, they deploy hard sales tactics? This means either the product doesn't work or is rubbish... if its not that, there is all sorts of clauses such as cancellation fees or minimum contract periods...
 
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I was skeptical to say the least and since I have been in international sales and marketing for 30+ years I know enough to see a snake oil salesman when I see one. This guy got me to try his 'best thing since sliced bread' service. I should always go with my gut feeling because that is how it is working out. If somebody visited my web site and was interested in my goods/services they would fill out some basic information on my landing page. I make it real easy and do not require much information. If they don't then I guess they are not interested. I have made over 50 cold calls to companies who have visited my web site without leaving their information. Lead Forensics says this is a 'warm' call, not a 'cold' call. But they are trying to sell you. Anyway imagine how freaking foolish you sound calling the main number of a company and saying that somebody from their company visited your site and you would like to speak with somebody in 'whatever' department to follow up. If you do get someone from the appropriate department they all say, "what the f*** are your talking about?" Trust me this is what they say. Where do you go from there? Answer, nowhere. Hang up the phone and feel like you have been had, because you have.
Another thing is that employees at the company you just called may be on your site looking for a job!! Or maybe they shouldn't be on the internet in the first place so no you just got them in trouble. All you get is a company URL, not an individual work station IP address. You don't know who was on your site or why. So at most having the ability to see who visited your site is purely a voyeuristic thrill! Nothing more!!!!
 
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Anyway imagine how freaking foolish you sound calling the main number of a company and saying that somebody from their company visited your site and you would like to speak with somebody in 'whatever' department to follow up. If you do get someone from the appropriate department they all say, "what the f*** are your talking about?" Trust me this is what they say.
Do you have to lead with the "you were on my website" line? Can't you just use the information someone from a company visited your site to help you choose which companies to cold call but accept it IS essentially cold call, albeit an informed one? I think that would be my approach personally.
 
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