0845 telephone numbers

Hi all

We are just in the process of starting a print company in the Midlands, and my business partner and I are 'debating' whether to have an 0845 telephone number, or a local number. Personally, as we are only going to be focussing on the local / Midlands area, I would prefer people see a local number, but my partner would prefer an 0845 number.

What do people think?

Thanks

Andy
 

My Owl 1

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I would also go for a local number cos that will help you to build up your local business. You can always go for a 08 number if you feel it is a good idea at a later date. Businesses are more likely to buy local than national in these economic times. If you want any help with your telephony then please feel free to pm me.

Good luck with your business

Avril:)
 
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    You should use an 01 or 02 number. Or an 0800 if you want to encourage people to call you. This is why:

    Telephone numbers are all designed for different purposes. Telephone companies talk of them as ‘products’ – they are not all equal.

    Telephone numbers are also perceived differently by consumers. How they feel about a number and what they think it costs them to dial it, can radically affect what they think about your company and whether they will call you or not.

    In short, they are part of your brand and image and they are not easily changed once chosen, so it’s important you consider the type of number to use carefully

    Ofcom research tells us that:
    1. Consumers know what 01 & 02 numbers (geographic numbers) are and believe them to be the cheapest number to call
    2. 64% of consumers know that 0800 are free to call
    3. Consumers think there is little difference in cost of calling 0844, 0845, 0870, 0871
    4. Consumers always overestimate how much all types of calls cost.
    5. Consumers are less likely to call numbers that they perceive to be more expensive to call and/or are unfamiliar to them.
    6. 65%-78% of consumers either won’t call, are unlikely to call, telephone numbers used in adverts - even for products they are interested in - if they use these numbers: 0845 (65%), mobile (70%), 0870 (73%), 0844 (76%), 0871 (78%).
    Source: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/numberingreview/research/

    If you read no further than this; normally, it’s best to choose an 01 or 02 number for your business. Additionally an 0800 should be considered if you actively need customers to call you or are running advertising campaigns.

    Unless you have a specialised reason for choosing any other type – don’t.

    01 & 02 Geographic – the normal, general purpose, everyday telephone number. Geographic numbers show your location; 020 7, 020 8 and now 020 3, is London, 01273 Brighton, 0151 Liverpool etc. Calls to these numbers from BT landlines used to be charged at either local or national rates depending on where the caller was but now it’s one charge, 3p per minute (day), regardless.
    These numbers are universally understood and should be your first choice for a normal businesses number. Their sole disadvantage is that they cannot be taken with you if you move outside the area of the telephone exchange they are connected to. (However, this is no longer a restriction for VoIP geographic numbers which can be taken anywhere without needing to tell your provider; even abroad.)
    They are the only type of number that can be reliably dialled from anywhere in the world.
    Importantly, 01 and 02 numbers are included as ‘free’ to dial in mobile contract packages.

    0800 – Freephone numbers are used for marketing or for sales lines where the strategy is to attract customers to call you. Most people (64%) know they are free to call so they are a good marketing tool. They are often used for short term marketing campaigns; different numbers can be used per advert to help tracking and calculating the relative success of different campaigns.
    Costs to you. The numbers retail at a range of prices from £5 per month upwards. Look out for set-up charges and minimum usage charges. As the call is free to the caller, the number owner gets charged for the incoming call usually between 3p and 6p per minute.
    0800 is a well understood number but because it is non-geographic ie not tied to your local telephone exchange, you can take it anywhere in the UK when you move. For this reason it is sometimes marketed to you as a number for life.
    A major downside is that they are NOT free to call from mobiles and may not be called from outside the UK.

    0808 numbers are the same as 0800 and introduced because the 0800 range is running out – these are less useful as people don’t necessarily know they are free to call.

    0845 was introduced as a Lo-Call number as callers are charged at local rates (when called from landlines) no matter where they are. Unfortunately, there is no longer a different charge for local and national calls to ordinary geographic numbers so the marketing distinction has been lost.
    They are however cheaper to call than geographic numbers 2p rather than 3p pm (day). I doubt that anyone knows this – did you?
    Ofcom research tells us that they are generally thought to cost the same as dialling 0870.
    BT no longer really promote these numbers and they have been undermined by the growth of mobile as they are not included in mobiles inclusive calling minutes and charged for at various rates, always more than a national call.
    Being non-geographic they have the advantage of moving with you if you move. They are often not dial-able from abroad.

    0844 is a revenue sharing number ie the owner of the number - usually the service provider – gets a small proportion of the income generated from the call.
    They are a confusing number group as it is necessary to know the 5th digit to know what the call charge is.
    Unless you have a specialised service, don’t use them.

    0870 were introduced as low cost, revenue sharing numbers for companies providing a service to their callers such as a help line.
    In January 2008 the revenue share element will be removed by Ofcom and the call charge to the customer reduced to the cost of a standard national call rate..
    As a result, 0870, which was often offered as a free number to small businesses will be abandoned by the industry.

    0871 is similar to 0870 but with higher call charges. They pay a revenue share too but are now regulated by ICSTIS and if you use them you are obliged to notify the customer of the cost of the call which rules them out for normal use.
    As true value added services though, they have their place – but please do not even consider them as a normal ‘contact me’ number.
    They are non-geographic so can move with you but often can’t be called from abroad. Calls from mobiles can be charged at any rate at all.
    09xxx are real premium numbers with rates that can be £1+ per minute and are designed for valuable information services like pornography. To get one you need to apply the ICSTIS.

    Useful web sites:

    http://www.icstis.org.uk/
    www.ofcom.org.uk
    Cost of calls to specialised numbers:
    http://www.downloads.bt.com/pricing/SpecialisedNos.pdf
    Area code look up table
    http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/section/home/introduction.shtml
    International Telephone number wiki
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_dialling_codes
    How to get a telephone number for your business
    http://www.voipfone.co.uk/How_to_Get_A_Telephone_Number_For_Your_Business.php
     
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    "Their sole disadvantage is that they cannot be taken with you if you move outside the area of the telephone exchange they are connected to."- cjd quote.

    Well actually that is not entirely true, as your partner, will tell you cos you could have an internet phone with UW and get a number with your area code that you can take anywhere in the Uk or the world .
    For example I am just going to invest in one and I will get a new 029 number to plug into any broadband socket.
     
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    "Their sole disadvantage is that they cannot be taken with you if you move outside the area of the telephone exchange they are connected to."- cjd quote.

    Well actually that is not entirely true, as your partner, will tell you cos you could have an internet phone with UW and get a number with your area code that you can take anywhere in the Uk or the world .
    For example I am just going to invest in one and I will get a new 029 number to plug into any broadband socket.

    Read the next sentence Owl....

    (However, this is no longer a restriction for VoIP geographic numbers which can be taken anywhere without needing to tell your provider; even abroad.)

    This is what I do for a living, you know ;-)
     
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    I went through a similar thought process a few months back. We have run 0845 numbers for a couple of years and worried that it was putting people off calling us from mobiles. Business customers never really seemed to care but 0845 is not a free call on most mobile tarrifs as it would be to a land line.

    We changed to local numbers about 9 months ago and honestly, it has not really made that much difference to the volume of inbound calls! Bearing in mind we get around 500 inbound calls a day from both business and personal callers to asses this on.

    I totally agree with all the theory other people have posted so can't really explain why this is the case for us.

    We went with 0845 originally as we were in serviced offices and did not want to get tied to a local number they provided us with. So, we diverted the 0845 to a local number then witheld our number when dialling out.

    We have since gone VoIP and ordered multiple local numbers (all of which were free) so we can have a local presence on a national scale.
     
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    I went through a similar thought process a few months back. We have run 0845 numbers for a couple of years and worried that it was putting people off calling us from mobiles. Business customers never really seemed to care but 0845 is not a free call on most mobile tarrifs as it would be to a land line.

    We changed to local numbers about 9 months ago and honestly, it has not really made that much difference to the volume of inbound calls! Bearing in mind we get around 500 inbound calls a day from both business and personal callers to asses this on.

    I totally agree with all the theory other people have posted so can't really explain why this is the case for us.

    We went with 0845 originally as we were in serviced offices and did not want to get tied to a local number they provided us with. So, we diverted the 0845 to a local number then witheld our number when dialling out.

    We have since gone VoIP and ordered multiple local numbers (all of which were free) so we can have a local presence on a national scale.

    How does VoIP work? Does it offer a significant cost saving?

    As to the original point in discussion, as I use my mobile phone a lot, calls to 0844, 0845, 0870, 0871 are not part of my monthly minutes allowance and dont ring these numbers if i can help it.

    Sometimes you just need to call an establishment who have such numbers i.e. HMRC. I ALWAYS try to find their landline number, i use saynoto0870 .com to find the alternative landline number to call.
     
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    How does VoIP work? Does it offer a significant cost saving?

    Too big a question to answer here. Here's some basic stuff:

    http://www.voipfone.co.uk/What_Is_Voip.php

    The main benefits of VoIP is that it can be free (not cheap) and that it allows tiny companies to do the things that only enormous companies used to be able to do - things like have extensions, put people on hold. play them music and transfer calls anywhere, have call Qs, divert to mobiles, use conferencing and three way calling etc etc. And it's cheap ;-)
     
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    MrsPWN

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    From a lay-womans point of view if I see 0845 I think it isn't free whereas with my local numbers they are free with the phone package I have.

    Crazy that I may miss out on a great company for the sake of a few pennies but with so many in the market the cull has to start somewhere.
     
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    My Owl 1

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    From a lay-womans point of view if I see 0845 I think it isn't free whereas with my local numbers they are free with the phone package I have.

    Crazy that I may miss out on a great company for the sake of a few pennies but with so many in the market the cull has to start somewhere.


    Just for info most providers, like UW have packages where O845, 0870 numbers are free.

    Best wishes

    Avril:)
     
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    I love the idea of 0800 and 0844 numbers etc, but as a mobile phone user as i'm sure we all are, I look for the 01 02 numbers because they are included in my minutes. An 0800 number is great if you're at home or in the office, but thats around 30p a minute which is infuriating...so i Always look for the normal number too (alternatively you can now also get national 07 numbers which are thus included in mobile phone users allowances.)
     
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    cjd

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    I love the idea of 0800 and 0844 numbers etc, but as a mobile phone user as i'm sure we all are, I look for the 01 02 numbers because they are included in my minutes. An 0800 number is great if you're at home or in the office, but thats around 30p a minute which is infuriating...so i Always look for the normal number too (alternatively you can now also get national 07 numbers which are thus included in mobile phone users allowances.)

    Try this, no strings......

    Free 0800 calls for Mobiles

    I’m sure you are aware that you can’t call an 0800 ‘freephone’ number for free from your mobile. We think that’s wrong, so now you can

    Is it really totally free?

    Yes - if you have a contract mobile package with included minutes.
    (Even if you use a Paygo mobile it’s normally cheaper; but you need to check with your provider.)

    How does it work?
    1. Dial our access number 029 2000 0800 (add it to your address book)
    2. When we answer, enter your 0800 number and wait to be connected.
    That’s it.

    How can you do it for free?
    We get a tiny fraction of a penny for the call from the network operator, not enough to matter but enough to cover our costs.

    We mostly do it because we can and because we think mobile phone pricing is a rip-off.
     
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    cjd

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    Adding to my phonebook, but will check this isn't some backwards premium rate thing first.

    I've been here for years

    Join Date: Nov 2005
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    It's not a con, we just hate mobile :)
     
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    I wouldn't think it surely matters, as you'll have a local number anyway which a 03/05/08 number then points to. So you can use a local number for local people - sorry, advertising - and the national rate one for further afield promotional work. That way everyone's happy! :)
     
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