anyone done SEO for an adult site before?

[SEO-Doctor]

Oh and if it is sex toys then i have already achieved page one for that phrase. (wasnt easy)

Would like to know more...how many backlinks did you need to get?

 

[Ali-v-8]

Would like to know more...how many backlinks did you need to get?

Just had a quick look at them. They are on page two. I think its time I gave them a ring.
Now to answer your question I only added 7 links. But they had great internal linking which added another 20+ at last count.
They were on page 1 for the last 18 months, and its been 6 since my contract with them expired.
It cost £10,000 for 12months contract of which it took me 5 months to achieve page one.
They are still there for most of the other terms but like I always say seo needs to be maintained.

 

[Steve2507]

Just had a quick look at them. They are on page two. I think its time I gave them a ring.
Now to answer your question I only added 7 links. But they had great internal linking which added another 20+ at last count.
They were on page 1 for the last 18 months, and its been 6 since my contract with them expired.
It cost £10,000 for 12months contract of which it took me 5 months to achieve page one.
They are still there for most of the other terms but like I always say seo needs to be maintained.

So are you saying you charged £10K and in all that time you got them 7 links????

 

[Ali-v-8]

So are you saying you charged £10K and in all that time you got them 7 links????

The question was how many links did I use.
When I started work on the website they were on page 8. they had 45 links in.

I created unique content. Individual page title tags meta descriptions.
I then added a nice internal linking structure and then on the 5th month added 3 links then 4 more over the following 4 months. Site went to page one on the 4th month at position 5.

 

[SEO-Doctor]

It cannot have been a competitive keyword -surely. I would say 80% of rankings is from backlinks - I don't think content and Nav changes would do that for a competitive keyword. But, maybe I am wrong.

 

[Steve2507]

It cannot have been a competitive keyword -surely. I would say 80% of rankings is from backlinks - I don't think content and Nav changes would do that for a competitive keyword. But, maybe I am wrong.

Nope you are right.

The idea of £10K for 12 months work where a few links were added and some content proves why I wil not outsource SEO (btw I class SEO and SEM as 2 different jobs) and why we are looking at hiring someone as a staff member.

 

Nope you are right.

The idea of £10K for 12 months work where a few links were added and some content proves why I wil not outsource SEO (btw I class SEO and SEM as 2 different jobs) and why we are looking at hiring someone as a staff member.

Steve the right sort of onsite SEO can have a very large impact on ranking even though only a few links are obtained.

Provided they are the right links.I have links from the NHS and other government sources and they are worth thousands of ordinary links.

LInks are about quality not quantity.

and you wouldn't have got me for 10k

Earl

 

[Steve2507]

Steve the right sort of onsite SEO can have a very large impact on ranking even though only a few links are obtained.

Provided they are the right links.I have links from the NHS and other government sources and they are worth thousands of ordinary links.

LInks are about quality not quantity.

and you wouldn't have got me for 10k

Earl

I know that Earl, but to be honest it's the general tone of the posts that put me off. Freelance seo'rs (in general) seem to be all chest thumping saying I earned this much or that much for doing very little. I would much rather have someone working in my office on a salary with bonuses where they can work on all sites not just one. I can also keep on top of them easily, knowing my £X is being spent wisely.

I class seo as onsite work and sem as offsite and so many seo'rs have to jump around comparing the size of their bits. but surprisingly they rarely actually say the sites they have worked on.

You as an experienced marketer must also have seen this and get slightly pee'd off with it.

 

I know that Earl, but to be honest it's the general tone of the posts that put me off. Freelance seo'rs (in general) seem to be all chest thumping saying I earned this much or that much for doing very little. I would much rather have someone working in my office on a salary with bonuses where they can work on all sites not just one. I can also keep on top of them easily, knowing my £X is being spent wisely.

I class seo as onsite work and sem as offsite and so many seo'rs have to jump around comparing the size of their bits. but surprisingly they rarely actually say the sites they have worked on.

You as an experienced marketer must also have seen this and get slightly pee'd off with it.

Well I guess the value of an SEO must be measured in how much more profit they generate for your business irrespective of how much work they do.

Hence why I will only work on a project for a share of the profits which I have found to be beneficial to all parties for a number of years.

I do wonder why more SEO's don't adopt this business model as the rewards can be far greater than being paid a flat fee for a job.

Of course sometimes you fall flat on your face which has happened.

But it certainly keeps you keen on any project.

Be very wary of employing an SEO ,can only talk about a friends experience where his inhouse SEO nearly ruined his business.

I doubt if many good SEO's are going to work for a company.?

Earl

 

[Steve2507]

Hence why I will only work on a project for a share of the profits which I have found to be beneficial to all parties for a number of years.

I do wonder why more SEO's don't adopt this business model as the rewards can be far greater than being paid a flat fee for a job.

The reality of this idea is that it is impossible to carry out in some businesses.

We have 12 sites (10 adult, 2 gluten free food). All sites operate from the same backend. They all use the same stock base, the same packing materials, the same staff, the same warehouse, electric, rates, etc. So lets say we have a profit share on one site, how do we apportion the running costs to that site?

Yes you can say that you have agreements in place, but lets say you have 20 pence for each order to account for the packaging materials. What happens if box prices go up? How about if the company decides to stop using the site or changes the product range. Supposed the seo'r doesn't agree with the amount spent on ppc or how much is offered to affiliates?

For a company like us a profit share would be unworkable without setting up an entirely new company for the profit share. There are simply too many variables when using a number of sites to make the idea workable (and we have been asked about it on a number of occasions).

I can see how it could work with a company with only one site but for a company with a number of sites with the seo'r only working on one of them it is going to be difficult.

 

[Steve2507]

Be very wary of employing an SEO ,can only talk about a friends experience where his inhouse SEO nearly ruined his business.

That's where having a knowledge of it yourself comes in handy and not allowing them too much rope. They would only be allowed to work on lower ranked sites at first to prove themselves. If they screw the site up we don't lose much.

 

I can see how it could work with a company with only one site but for a company with a number of sites with the seo'r only working on one of them it is going to be difficult.

There is a way that can be applied to almost any established site.

If say a site has a baseline number of uniques of say 100,000 per month.

An SEO can be paid x pence for every visitor over the baseline.

say the agreed amount was 4 pence per unique and the SEO got you an extra 30,000 uniques per month that would equal £1,200 .

cheaper than PPC by far.

Earl

 

[Steve2507]

There is a way that can be applied to almost any established site.

If say a site has a baseline number of uniques of say 100,000 per month.

An SEO can be paid x pence for every visitor over the baseline.

say the agreed amount was 4 pence per unique and the SEO got you an extra 30,000 uniques per month that would equal £1,200 .

cheaper than PPC by far.

Earl

How do you know the increase is purely from the SEO? What about increase traffic from forum posts, affiliate schemes (which are monitored externally so do not have tracking ids). Or how about if a particular directory increases in popularity and so uniques increase that way, or if a popular blog gives you a glowing review. These are not actions of the seo'r so he/she shouldn't be paid for them.

SEO is about onsite work and so supposed the you can drive traffic but are useless at helping the business convert the traffic. You could
artificially inflate the traffic but reduce the conversion rates. Thereby costing the website even more.

Nowhere near convinced on this one.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Steve the right sort of onsite SEO can have a very large impact on ranking even though only a few links are obtained.

Provided they are the right links.I have links from the NHS and other government sources and they are worth thousands of ordinary links.

LInks are about quality not quantity.

and you wouldn't have got me for 10k

Earl

Like I said a lot of on sight work and only a few good links is great to improve results.
I think £10,000 was a fair price.
I also need to point out that the price was quoted nearly two year ago.
The industry has more competition now and techniques need to be updated to today's standards.
Sub-domaining may be a good step to increase links without relying on external sources

 

How do you know the increase is purely from the SEO? What about increase traffic from forum posts, affiliate schemes (which are monitored externally so do not have tracking ids). Or how about if a particular directory increases in popularity and so uniques increase that way, or if a popular blog gives you a glowing review. These are not actions of the seo'r so he/she shouldn't be paid for them.

SEO is about onsite work and so supposed the you can drive traffic but are useless at helping the business convert the traffic. You could
artificially inflate the traffic but reduce the conversion rates. Thereby costing the website even more.

Nowhere near convinced on this one.

well with the right stats pack traffic can be detected from all sources and certainly the traffic that comes from search engines which is the main area an SEO would work on.

There is also the fact that professional SEO usually has such a huge impact on your average site,that its effect can hardly be missed.

and a few hundred visitors from forums and blogs is neither here not there remembering how cheaply you would be getting Highly targeted traffic, compared with PPC.

Earl

 

[Ali-v-8]

How do you know the increase is purely from the SEO? What about increase traffic from forum posts, affiliate schemes (which are monitored externally so do not have tracking ids). Or how about if a particular directory increases in popularity and so uniques increase that way, or if a popular blog gives you a glowing review. These are not actions of the seo'r so he/she shouldn't be paid for them.

SEO is about onsite work and so supposed the you can drive traffic but are useless at helping the business convert the traffic. You could
artificially inflate the traffic but reduce the conversion rates. Thereby costing the website even more.

Nowhere near convinced on this one.

clarifying the difference between seo =the art of getting to page one (and it is an art) and SEO = the art of reducing bounce rates and increasing conversions.
When I do SEO I look at both.
I improve positions on Google and make the site as user friendly as possible.

 

clarifying the difference between seo =the art of getting to page one (and it is an art) and SEO = the art of reducing bounce rates and increasing conversions.
When I do SEO I look at both.
I improve positions on Google and make the site as user friendly as possible.

well I ain't no artist, except when I go down the pub.

Now let's look at the science side. By science, I mean cold hard facts, not intuition. A SEO professional of this type is able to scientifically figure out how many keywords fit, where they go and how the finished project will look. They have a hard formula for creating their work and all work fits into that template. They are able to cut to the chase and get their work done without being intuitive. They have many different templates based upon proven formulas for success. They don't believe in intuitively figuring this out.

Earl

 

[Steve2507]

What you have been saying has proved my point about chest thumping and has only solidified my stance that outsourcing SEO (which is different to SEM) is a stupid thing for us to do.

I doubt if many good SEO's are going to work for a company.?

So effectivey you are saying that every seo company is rubbish. After all why would a good seo'r work for a company? The big seo companies are after all comapnies. So why would any good seo'r work for them. Therefore all seo companies must be rubbish?? You are saying the only good seo person is a freelance one.

You keep going on about science. There is no science to seo. Yes you can test theories, but you will never know the true answer. I have seen many freelance seo people try to throw science into the sales pitch and it is just a load of b******t. You have to test different theories and see if they work, which anyone can do.

You seem to be trying to put yourselves on a pedistal and act as if you are Gods, well you ain't Gods and the faster other people realise this the better.

 

[Ali-v-8]

What you have been saying has proved my point about chest thumping and has only solidified my stance that outsourcing SEO (which is different to SEM) is a stupid thing for us to do.

So effectivey you are saying that every seo company is rubbish. After all why would a good seo'r work for a company? The big seo companies are after all comapnies. So why would any good seo'r work for them. Therefore all seo companies must be rubbish?? You are saying the only good seo person is a freelance one.

You keep going on about science. There is no science to seo. Yes you can test theories, but you will never know the true answer. I have seen many freelance seo people try to throw science into the sales pitch and it is just a load of b******t. You have to test different theories and see if they work, which anyone can do.

You seem to be trying to put yourselves on a pedistal and act as if you are Gods, well you ain't Gods and the faster other people realise this the better.

Fear the wrath of god young mortal being....... WTF
algorithms are maths and maths is a science.
Unfortunately sirearl is right in what he says.
But experience is key ( more you do the more you learn)
Don't know how the company issue came about, but I can do SEO but i work as part of a team. I dont really want to account manage 300+ clients on my own. And I love making money. When I want time off to go Skiing for 2 weeks or go rock climbing I just ask one of my colleagues to cover my accounts as i do for them.
A team of people to work on a website is better than having just 1 person.
Maybe on a small website it would be ok to have just 1 guy.

 

What you have been saying has proved my point about chest thumping and has only solidified my stance that outsourcing SEO (which is different to SEM) is a stupid thing for us to do.

So effectivey you are saying that every seo company is rubbish. After all why would a good seo'r work for a company? The big seo companies are after all comapnies. So why would any good seo'r work for them. Therefore all seo companies must be rubbish?? You are saying the only good seo person is a freelance one.

You keep going on about science. There is no science to seo. Yes you can test theories, but you will never know the true answer. I have seen many freelance seo people try to throw science into the sales pitch and it is just a load of b******t. You have to test different theories and see if they work, which anyone can do.

You seem to be trying to put yourselves on a pedistal and act as if you are Gods, well you ain't Gods and the faster other people realise this the better.

Well what I am saying is that the SEO's that I know work for themselves and have various sites and projects that are there own.

And yes I do suspect that many SEO companies are rubbish mainly because they were webdesign companies who jumped on the SEO bandwagon,but not all.:|

As for chest thumping I leave all mine to google et al.

And yes SEO is what in general makes or breaks an online business ,so yes we do blow our trumpets a bit loud in trying to get the message over to people.

Earl

 

[Ali-v-8]

Well what I am saying is that the SEO's that I know work for themselves and have various sites and projects that are there own.

And yes I do suspect that many SEO companies are rubbish mainly because they were webdesign companies who jumped on the SEO bandwagon,but not all.:|

As for chest thumping I leave all mine to google et al.

And yes SEO is what in general makes or breaks an online business ,so yes we do blow our trumpets a bit loud in trying to get the message over to people.

Earl

Ah I see.
Unlike other "SEO companies" we only did SEO originally. But since we started helping convert traffic we employed some graphic designers and web designers to help improve the site itself.
5 years of continual achievement 5 of them at page one position one for optimisation I think I'm pretty good at what I do.

Long and short of it WE dont do seo WE ARE SEO.

And before you spit your dummy out steve that was a joke.

Lighten up a bit and stop trashing the advice people give.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Well what I am saying is that the SEO's that I know work for themselves and have various sites and projects that are there own.

And yes I do suspect that many SEO companies are rubbish mainly because they were webdesign companies who jumped on the SEO bandwagon,but not all.:|

As for chest thumping I leave all mine to google et al.

And yes SEO is what in general makes or breaks an online business ,so yes we do blow our trumpets a bit loud in trying to get the message over to people.

Earl

Ah I see.
Unlike other "SEO companies" we only did SEO originally. But since we started helping convert traffic we employed some graphic designers and web designers to help improve the site itself.
5 years of continual achievement 5 of them at page one position one for optimisation I think I'm pretty good at what I do.

Long and short of it WE dont do seo WE ARE SEO.

And before you spit your dummy out steve that was a joke.

Lighten up a bit and stop trashing the advice people give.

 

.

Long and short of it WE dont do seo WE ARE SEO.

And before you spit your dummy out steve that was a joke.

Lighten up a bit and stop trashing the advice people give.

Joke appreciated

But I think Steve is just voicing genuine concerns that many people have about SEO.

Lets face it SEO has a reputation well below Lawyers and Politicians.:|

Earl

 

[barginboyrob]

adult links from NHS sites? hmm

 

[Steve2507]

And before you spit your dummy out steve that was a joke.

To be honest I can't be arsed anymore. This is my last post here. I will be deleting ukbf from my favourites and removing any notifications, it is dickheads like you which give your industry a bad name and yet you can't see it.

 

[Ali-v-8]

To be honest I can't be arsed anymore. This is my last post here. I will be deleting ukbf from my favourites and removing any notifications, it is dickheads like you which give your industry a bad name and yet you can't see it.

You have no respect for people offering FREE advice and taking time out to help people and stop them being ripped off by someone chatting crap.
I am a firm believer that forewarned is forearmed. I feel by explaining SEO to people they wont have companies blagging them for money for nothing.
The SEO reputation has been made bad by link farming companies and other companies like them.

You need to take you self out side and slap yourself with a trout then read the post and maybe have the decency to apologise for playing baby house

 

[Tin]

Just reading the original post it's quite amazing to see how this thread ended up the way it did. But then again, it is the SEO forum!

Ray

 

[SEO-Doctor]

Your right just come back to have look and it's all kicked off!!

AV - its you and your chest thumping again!!

 

[MrMonkey]

Just come back for a look at whats happened here as i posted originally and my god, talk about going off on a tangent!!

thanks for the good advice guys

 

[Ali-v-8]

Just come back for a look at whats happened here as i posted originally and my god, talk about going off on a tangent!!

thanks for the good advice guys

I did notice (don't know if anyone else did) and it could just be my overworked mind, but the one person who kicked off about the advice given is actually in the adult industry.:|

Was his reaction biased?

Me thinks he should have took a chill pill.

 

[serendipitybusiness]

Lol I noticed, although the mental imagery from following line did give me a giggle!

You need to take you self out side and slap yourself with a trout

 

[Ali-v-8]

Lol I noticed, although the mental imagery from following line did give me a giggle!

Well what did he expect.
If I have a bad day I put on a DVD I compiled of the best adverts I have ever seen (sad, but worth it). Best ad is the two old people sat nude, driving a mini. and they drive past a guy and slap him with a fish.
Try and not smile after watching that ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvz86Gvz53I

 

[serendipitybusiness]

Not sad at all you are in the marketing game, you are doing your homework, looking at effective advertising even if it is just to cheer you up, it shows you consciously make an effort to notice. I love that advert too everytime I watch the cadburies advert as well I can't help but smile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVblWq3tDwY

Laughter truly is the best medicine.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Not sad at all you are in the marketing game, you are doing your homework, looking at effective advertising even if it is just to cheer you up, it shows you consciously make an effort to notice. I love that advert too everytime I watch the cadburies advert as well I can't help but smile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVblWq3tDwY

Laughter truly is the best medicine.

Yeah its good.
I think the gorilla was best but the airport trucks were crap.
the egg cards could be better if they weren't too fake looking.