Please give me feedback on my mountaineering business website

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Hi, I run www.westcoast-mountainguides.co.uk, and whilst we do pretty well on Google for a large number of relevant search terms, I feel that we could be doing much better and that we're missing out on some key bits of business.

The website has been built by our web developer, but he's pretty hands-off and for most updates etc. I look after it. If anything, I wouldn't mind if he was a bit more hands-on!
 

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It's a desktop site adapted for phones. And that means lots of scrolling that goes nowhere.

I don't care about the moutnains and the waffle on the homepage. I want to see the tours. No idea where to click because you cover up the menu on my phone with the cookie thing. I'm not going to accept until I know what cookies you are settings.

In any case, all you should have on the homepage are the trips. When I click on these I want to see pictures, itinerary, reviews and booking form specific to the trip.

All you have is a generic form in the footer.

You have a blog which links back to the trip page. But the trip pages (and reviews) don't link to the blog posts.

But the root issue right now is the mobile layout. You need a site that really shines on a phone and does OK on a desktop. One of the problems is the theme. Enfold is clunky and dated and not very responsive (GTmetrix give you a D rating 56/100 and Google scores you 37/100).

And I assumed you did trips on the west coast of the UK. When I saw Norway and Skye I got quite confused.

There is more but that will do for now
 
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    I think the mountains and the waffle attract the interest Mountainy people like that type of thing !

    I am viewing it on a big telly and have not looked at it on the phone a couple of pages are half finished but the OP knows about this
     
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    Nothing wrong with the waffle, just not on the homepage. The purpose of the site is to sell tours. The only reason people will be on the site is to choose and book a tour. So you need to connect the two.

    Just trying to browse trips and tours isn’t easy. But it could be with the right theme and site structure.
     
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    My initial reaction is that you should be promoting the safety of a guided walk as opposed to going it alone and adding a bit of sizzle, why try to reach the summit etc.,

    Very hastily redrawn example attached...
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    One of the challenges with a website review is separating personal preferences from accepted practices. For example, I always dislike sliding 'hero images' on the home page. They irritate and distract me. Especially when accompanied by flying text. Some people however, especially developers, swear by them. Often they do it because they can do it, without regard to whether it's a better user experience.

    So, having made that caveat - your website.

    @fisicx made good points - especially the one about the site being designed for desktop. On a mobile I got scroll cramp trying to find the bit about actual courses. As a rule-of-thumb, if people have to scroll down more than 3 to 5 times to find what they want - they won't.

    You need to move all the 'about us' blurb onto another page, or at least hide it from mobile users so they get to the courses quicker.

    Despite the spectacular scenery, I found the site uninspiring. Statements like courses 'designed to meet your requirements' or 'achieve your ambitions' could be talking about anything. All the people standing on the top of peaks must have stories about how they got there. If I'm going to fork out £850 to do '5 days of guided ice climbing, tackling some of the best winter climbs Scotland has to offer' I'd like to know bit more about it please. If there is more, I didn't spot it.

    The booking form would make a minor bureaucrat in the council envious.

    There's no point going on and on. This could be a wonderful site but it's not. It gives the impression (to me at least) of a site put together on a shoestring without any real thought given to who might visit it and why. Do you trust your life on a mountain to people who skimp on a website?

    If it was me, I'd take the good bits and start again.
     
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    fisicx

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    The website has been built by our web developer...
    This is probably where it all started to go wrong. A developer shouldn't go anywhere near the site until you have sorted out your marketing, written the content, designed the booking system and done some market research.

    All they have done is thrown a $59 theme together with a naff contact form and sent you the invoice. They claim to be a creative marketing team but I see no evidence of this on your site. If they were as good as they say they are you would have more booking than you can cope with. How much are they paying you for the link on the website?
     
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    As pretty much everyone above says, what are you trying to achieve? I've looked at the site and can't understand most of your journeys and how they fit with a marketing plan.

    The site lacks the sort of functionality you need to get lots of leads, or even better, bookings online; e.g. what are a the journeys for, or why are they missing: -
    • Why can't I filter by places, dates etc on the main course details/homepages (or category hub pages)
    • What is the booking form page for, why cant I see or book your availability online?
    • What is the booking form on each page for, why can't I see availability rather than having to make a speculative booking?
    • Why can't I book a course and pay online if I know what I want and its available?
    • Why do you use What's App as a contact process, if on desktop you have to install it, the same on mobile if you don't use it, why not just have live chat?
    • Why can't I buy a gift voucher online?
    Now I get some of this may seem difficult to do, especially if your availability is part of it, but its not that hard to create a database driven back end that manages this. The rest is ecommerce/category type functionality.

    Even if you need T&Cs or to cover some basics before they book, this could easily be done as part of the booking, or by getting them to agree to the T&Cs as part of the booking process.

    As @fisicx says, why is the site not mobile first designed, I bet 70%+ of your traffic is on a mobile... There are also a lot of basic errors even from a desktop perspective, that become much worse on mobile; e.g.
    • you have to scroll to find a call to action or click 'Find Out More' to do anything on most pages
    • finding a course is driven by menus and sub menus rather than categories on mobile, so is not easy or appealing
    • the contact form is not visible on the page when you arrive on the contact page!
    • header and much of the text is in capitals and a large font on mobile, meaning its hard to read and very long on some pages (taking up more than a page on mobile for some)
    I've not gone into the content, or how the site performs search wise, as I saw your separate thread on this. Realistically, the content may be good, but the site needs to be rebuilt as part of the marketing exercise, putting customer first journeys at the heart of the marketing and lead/sales generation plan.
     
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    K0608

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    Wow, thanks for the feedback so far, there's quite a lot to go through!

    In all honesty, many of the mountaineering businesses in my area, many of whom are run by friends, follow quite a similar model, offer similar products and the text is more or less the same. If anything, we're viewed as one of the leading (and certainly one of the most established) and if we do something, others tend to copy. I was fortunate to inherit the business, the domain has been active since the early 90s.

    It sounds like we need a website that is much more geared up towards trips, particularly if we want to grow what we offer.

    One of the issues with on-line booking is that by and large, we need to find freelance guides for most of our trips. This does increase the admin aspect of the business and means that all bookings are manually processed (by me). I would love something more automated.

    We only ask clients to fill out the booking form once they've committed to booking.
     
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    Having done some of these type things myself on holiday, and having a young adult in the family who's interested in it, they are two different audiences, and my own behavior differs whether I'm planning a holiday or actually already on holiday.

    In planning mode I'm far more likely to research and contact on the phone, go back and forth by email etc, as is our son who's a climber. The contact, non ecommerce method is fine here.

    On holiday, not so much, I want the site to tell me what I need and guide/reassure me with reviews, info etc. (especially if I'm not from the country I'm visiting). I've booked mountain biking, stand up paddle boarding and quad bikes on the strength of the site and reviews, then via online booking.

    Now, I don't know your market that well, it may be mainly planners, but that's why you need to undertake customer and market research as part of the marketing/site build/SEO project.

    I've not looked at either site in detail, but from a quick glance Scottishrockandwater.com is much better regards filtering results, dates, info etc. This would lead to customers being able to drill down more to what they want much more easily and is only a step away from online booking & payment if they ever want to scale. The other site does let you buy online (with short future dates for most courses), so both would allow easier research and likely generate more leads and sales than your site.
     
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    It sounds like we need a website that is much more geared up towards trips, particularly if we want to grow what we offer..
    YES!

    If I want an all in trip then I'll book online. If I want something more personal I'll be picking up the phone or sending an email first.

    Market testing will tell you which is best for for your target client.

    Either way, if you want to get lots of juicy leads you need to change the site. Not just tinker, you need to start from the ground up.
     
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    Who actually uses you?

    Do people contact you and just turn up?
    Is it people who have already booked accommodation near by who then look for guides?
    Is it the accommodation providers who recommend you to guests?

    It all seems a bit strange to me, I would have thought it's just a small aspect of something you book as a package.
     
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    Who actually uses you?

    Do people contact you and just turn up?
    Is it people who have already booked accommodation near by who then look for guides?
    Is it the accommodation providers who recommend you to guests?

    It all seems a bit strange to me, I would have thought it's just a small aspect of something you book as a package.

    It's mostly hillwalkers and mountaineers, most of whom will book with us, then sort out accommodation, rather than already being up here. Our clients often have specific objectives, rather than just looking for an experience and will often book months in advance.
     
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    It's mostly hillwalkers and mountaineers, most of whom will book with us, then sort out accommodation, rather than already being up here. Our clients often have specific objectives, rather than just looking for an experience and will often book months in advance.
    In which case you need to build a site that caters for them. Keep it really simple:
    • Show the walks
    • Provide options (walk only, accommodation, travel, equipment hire etc)
    • Give them a means to contact you
    These people want the bespoke service - so make it personal. Sex it up and make them feel like the trip is just for them.

    The layout and style of the pages is far less important than the stories you tell and the connection you make with the traveler.

    This is where it went wrong right from the start. The developer focused on the site not the content. Content is key to your success. The theme/colours/fonts are secondary.

    With the right words and pictures, organised so it's easy to navigate and your ranking will improve across the board and you will get far more leads.
     
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    Content is key to your success. The theme/colours/fonts are secondary.
    This - and with knobs on!

    Websites are the direct descendants of old-fashioned direct mailings and magazine ads. If you want to sell something, you must primarily mention the customer - the words 'you' and 'your' should be in almost every sentence. "Your experience" "your holiday" and not eight paragraphs that only tell me about the company and how great you are! The last and ninth paragraph gives the poor old customer three grudging mentions.

    Bad copy - "Our instructors and guides have the highest levels of mountaineering qualifications recognised throughout the UK (AMI) and abroad (IFMGA)."

    Better copy - "Your guides have the highest levels of mountaineering qualifications recognised throughout the world."

    But here's the kicker - despite mentioning yourself dozens and dozens of times, I still know nothing about you and your team. You and your team remain strangely anonymous! A simple 'About Us' page with photographs would cover it. (I looked and found your 'About Us' page and it featured just one person!)

    Here are two books on how to write good content - 'Making Ads Pay' by John Caples. Caples wrote what is possibly the greatest advertisement of all time that was headed "They laughed when I sat down at the piano, but when I started to play . . ." He wrote that long-copy magazine ad over 100 years ago and it is still studied (and copied!) today.

    The second book (and more contemporary) is 'How to Write Sales Letters that Sell' by Drayton Bird. He learned his trade under David Ogilvy and today heads his own agency that specialises in writing persuasive copy.

    (Another very inspiring book is by Sergio Zyman called "The End of Advertising as We Know It!" He was head of marketing at Coca-Cola and is another marketing expert who emphasises the importance of actually making sales and producing a profit.)

    Fancy websites and are full of 'creative design features' seldom sell. Websites that extol the virtues of the company but fail to mention the customer and the benefits to the customer seldom sell.

    If you look at the great websites that dominate their markets and wipe the floor with the competition, they are all bland and just brutally functional. No fancy animations, no clever design features, no pop-ups, in fact, nothing that gets in the way of the customer finding whatever it is that they want. Google, Amazon, eBay, YouTube - brutal functionality.
     
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    Only had a quick look since much better guys have advised already on things too look at. I would recommend getting your client feedback on view straight away, rather than having to scroll down three times on an iPad.

    Then I also noticed the same reviews cropping up a few times, when you have hundreds. The reviews will sell your service more than anything else, this one, not on your site but trip advisor is what you need to get seen.

    “Our favourite part of our experience(s) - we’ve used west coast mountain guides twice now - was traversing the cuilin ridge over two days (with an overnight bivvy on the side of one of the Munro’s) with our guide Dave (what a legend he is) We utterly enjoyed the whole experience and cannot reccomend you guys enough. What an amazing and thrilling memory to have made with my husband and a Christmas gift I truly will remember for life.”

    You have a recent review from a returning client, a glowing testimonial stating it was a trip that they will remember for life. You cannot write better advertising copy if you tried, plus it is an honest review, USE IT.

    I would recommend a box which is at the side of any viewed page, with one or two testimonials in them all the time, but select them personally.
     
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    So what now @K0608?

    Don't use the people who built the existing site, they have royally ripped you off. What you have got is a cheap and nasty theme and a couple of hours work to configure. The whole thing probably took them less than a day. If you paid more than a couple of hundred you were shafted.
     
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    Sorry for the lack of response, I've just been away on a climbing trip. This has been a very eye-opening post so far and it's pretty clear that what we currently have no longer (if it ever did) serve a purpose.

    The other aspect of the business is the admin side of it. Currently, it's all very manual and time-consuming. I have had someone build a bespoke system within Sharepoint, which does automate some aspects of the business, but I suspect that if we were to build a new website, this bespoke system would quickly either become redundant or require a lot of updating.

    I'm a little bit overwhelmed with what the net steps are, particularly, as we're in the thick of a busy season (I'm not guiding this year, due to a nasty injury back in February), but it has given me a bit of breathing space.
     
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    I had a free website review carried out and here are some of the key points they suggested:

    Website
    - Benefit statement - what sets you apart from the competition?
    - Call to Action, how do you want visitors to book. Include booking form within main above the fold section on the homepage and on each 'service' page or use 'Book Now' button which starts to dial your number.

    SEO
    - Need to ensure you are strategically targeting the right keywords and phrases to bring in your qualified traffic. There has been a lot of lost organic traffic over the last 12 months.
    - Optimise Page Titles against keywords, you have 60 characters to do this
    - Meta description, 155 characters, all around USPs and benefits.
    - Increase Domain Authority, by targeting publications that will hit your target audience through content marketing and then use backlinks to send that target audience through to your site.

    BUT I'm well aware that redoing the website, first, could be of higher importance.
     
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    You can ignore most of that report. Your whole business model is changing which means very little of your current website will exist very soon.
     
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    I know that it's almost impossible to know the answer to my question, but I'd love to know why prospective clients might book with someone else over us and also how our competitors get traffic if they're not appearing as high on Google as we do. I appreciate word of mouth counts for a lot.

    In my mind, here are some of the reasons why we're doing alright:
    1) Old domain, which seems to count for quite a bit when it comes to SEO
    2) Rank well for many keywords
    3) A lot of Trip Advisor, Google Business and Facebook Reviews
    4) Quick to reply to emails
    5) Large pool of guides (which I appreciate may put some people off), but it normally means that we're able to accommodate bookings
    6) We're able to offer work through the summer and winter, there are many businesses where the owner doesn't hold the winter qualification and so isn't in such a strong position. I've held the winter qualification since 2012 and have been operating at the top end since then. That all said, qualifications in the outdoors aren't essential and anyone can offer guiding services.
     
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    Easy. Because it’s easier to find trips and make a booking on theirs than it is on yours.

    You seem to be looking for reasons not to make any changes to the site. Despite everyone here telling you it not right. Bite the bullet and find someone to start over and do it properly.
     
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    Easy. Because it’s easier to find trips and make a booking on theirs than it is on yours.

    You seem to be looking for reasons not to make any changes to the site. Despite everyone here telling you it not right. Bite the bullet and find someone to start over and do it properly.
    Not at all, I'm keen to do what's right for the business and if the website needs an overhaul, then that's fine. I need to now work out who I'm happy working with to make this happen, which in itself is a pretty big undertaking since there are a lot of people and companies all claiming to be experts.

    Also, there's a huge rise in third-party 'booking agents', some of whom have quite aggressive marketing strategies and rely heavily on PPC ads, and slowly working their way up the organic searches.
     
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    Talk to people. pick up the phone, ask the questions and listen to the answers. Doesn’t take long to see through the BS.

    If their opening offer is to build a new theme cross them off the list. What you need is someone who understands how to structure a site. With the right structure the theme almost becomes irrelevant.
     
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    It’s been a month. Nothing seems to have changed. This is prime holiday season, you could have had a new site up and running in a couple of days and be taking in bookings….
     
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    Thanks, I'm up to my eyeballs in the day-to-day admin of the business and will be until the end of September. I've spoken to a couple of folk about potential options for moving things forwards but given we're in peak season, I'm not really in a position to do much at this moment in time.
     
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    and we don't really have any more space for additional mountaineering work until the end of the season, as every guide that we have on our books is flat out. There's a bit more scope for walking trips, which is something that I am working on.
     
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    Ok. But a developer could be busy setting up a new site now so that when the summer season is over you will have a new site ready for testing.

    Anyway, it’s up to you what you do, just make sure you avoid using anyone who suggests a site redesign. It’s not the design that’s the problem.
     
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    Ok. But a developer could be busy setting up a new site now so that when the summer season is over you will have a new site ready for testing.

    Anyway, it’s up to you what you do, just make sure you avoid using anyone who suggests a site redesign. It’s not the design that’s the problem.
    Thanks, what do you mean when you say that it's not the design that's the problem, but also talk about having a whole new site developed.
     
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    Thanks, what do you mean when you say that it's not the design that's the problem, but also talk about having a whole new site developed.
    It’s a Wordpress site. This means your content, navigation, widgets, call to action, trust marks and the whole customer journey are independent of the theme. You can build a whole new site using the same theme and then try new themes later.

    Think of Wordpress being your house, all your furniture the content and the theme the decoration. You can redecorate your house without changing the furniture. And you can buy new furniture without redecorating.

    Get the site structure and content sorted first then play with themes.
     
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    Great photos! The top part of your home page is important to get client attention quickly but seems to be lost in an unnecessary large image.

    Put trip advisor reviews further down as the confirmation process doesn't start until people know you have what they want.

    Too much small text above your offerings, they need to come first. You can then use funnel text to better describe each offering on its own page.

    Make your menu sticky at the top so people don't have to scroll to change a page.
    I might contact you in the next few years for a Ben Nevis Walk.
     
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    It’s fantastic that you’re getting great search results and reviews. Kudos! Those tonnes of pages and content are definitely benefitting you as far as Google is concerned. But as a user, I do have some concerns of my own.

    I agree with all of the comments about all of the waffle on the homepage, for me it’s too much clutter and not that thrilling, which is how I’d like to feel when I’m looking for an adventure.

    If it was me (speaking from a designers perspective) I’d be thinking more about the use of stunning imagery of the wonderful sights and experiences that people can look forward to if there join you on one of your expeditions.

    Accompanied by calls to action leading them to find out more - in the same way you take your customers on a journey from A (where they are to begin with - a car park in the Scottish Highlands) to B (where they want to be - the top of Ben Nevis).

    You want your customers to start off at A (your homepage, looking for an experience that’s going to excite them) to B (making an enquiry/sale, satisfying their needs, and getting more great reviews), and thinking about how you’re going to get them there, fast, using quick messaging that is straight to-the-point, because people are lazy and don’t like reading.

    I’m biased, but a video could do so much more for you than any amount of text on your homepage.

    It’s clear that your web developer is exactly that, a developer, not a designer. All of the various fonts, sizes, weights and those blue &’s are frankly a little ugly and not very well considered.

    The footer could defiantly be consolidated too. Why an about section? Shouldn’t that be on your about page? Why a UK and an international number that are exactly the same?

    I’m not going to go into all of those links in the menu either.

    Would you like me to continue?
     
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    It’s fantastic that you’re getting great search results and reviews. Kudos! Those tonnes of pages and content are definitely benefitting you as far as Google is concerned. But as a user, I do have some concerns of my own.

    I agree with all of the comments about all of the waffle on the homepage, for me it’s too much clutter and not that thrilling, which is how I’d like to feel when I’m looking for an adventure.

    If it was me (speaking from a designers perspective) I’d be thinking more about the use of stunning imagery of the wonderful sights and experiences that people can look forward to if there join you on one of your expeditions.

    Accompanied by calls to action leading them to find out more - in the same way you take your customers on a journey from A (where they are to begin with - a car park in the Scottish Highlands) to B (where they want to be - the top of Ben Nevis).

    You want your customers to start off at A (your homepage, looking for an experience that’s going to excite them) to B (making an enquiry/sale, satisfying their needs, and getting more great reviews), and thinking about how you’re going to get them there, fast, using quick messaging that is straight to-the-point, because people are lazy and don’t like reading.

    I’m biased, but a video could do so much more for you than any amount of text on your homepage.

    It’s clear that your web developer is exactly that, a developer, not a designer. All of the various fonts, sizes, weights and those blue &’s are frankly a little ugly and not very well considered.

    The footer could defiantly be consolidated too. Why an about section? Shouldn’t that be on your about page? Why a UK and an international number that are exactly the same?

    I’m not going to go into all of those links in the menu either.

    Would you like me to continue?
    Thanks for the feedback and yep, please continue!
     
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