Asked to help defraud the furlough scheme

[Ian fraser]

Where to start with this rubbish.

The fact a business may not be open to the public does not preclude it requiring employees to return to work at any time. Furlough is at the absolute discretion of the employer and can be cancelled at any time.

Your original post stated:

Anyone can consult a doctor at any time. What, exactly did you mean by this BS?

The OP is asking about someone being required to return to work while still furloughed. That is illegal and a fraud by the employer. If the employee does not want to return to work and does not want to report the employer for the fraud they have zero options.

I must have been mistaken when I read the original request i.e.

Where to start with this rubbish.

The fact a business may not be open to the public does not preclude it requiring employees to return to work at any time. Furlough is at the absolute discretion of the employer and can be cancelled at any time.

Your original post stated:

Anyone can consult a doctor at any time. What, exactly did you mean by this BS?

The OP is asking about someone being required to return to work while still furloughed. That is illegal and a fraud by the employer. If the employee does not want to return to work and does not want to report the employer for the fraud they have zero options.

Carl stated "The boss is basically claiming on the furlough scheme and having them work.", that being the case nothing I said was wrong re his son in law not having to return to work.

As regards your second question my bad! Put a comma after can't...…."If to keep him safe - and therefore satisfy government criteria to re-open legally - he needs to wear a mask and can't, then consult a doctor."

As for your final point not returning to work is an option if still furloughed!

 

[Newchodge]

Whats missing from the comments so far is that the employer has to notify the employee that furlough has ended on such and such a date and they should return to work. I would request that by email or in writing (would you agree Cyndy?)

Definitely, and a confirmation that they are returning to full pay.

 

[UK Contractor Accountant]

I think HMRC will pick up quite easily those showing output activity on vat return's when they cross check to payroll records and find all staff have been furloughed.

And then there is also the furlough detector van's out and about with Hector on board.

 

[Bob Morgan]

And then there is also the furlough detector van's out and about with Hector on board.

"There's someone furloughed at Number 5 . . . . He's in the front room . . . . at he's looking at Companies House!"

 

[Stas Lawicki]

"There's someone furloughed at Number 5 . . . . He's in the front room . . . . at he's looking at Companies House!"

I'm not always sure why, but I do often find myself giggling at your posts, Bob!

 

[Bob Morgan]

I'm not always sure why, but I do often find myself giggling at your posts, Bob!

All I did was to paraphrase the original TV Licencing Advertisement from the 1970s. It seems as though 'UK Contractor Accountant' is thinking along the same lines too.

 

[Stas Lawicki]

All I did was to paraphrase the original TV Licencing Advertisement from the 1970s. It seems as though 'UK Contractor Accountant' is thinking along the same lines too.

And there's me thinking you were a comedy genius... ! You'll be saying you're not Welsh next. Then the tears will start.

 

[Bob Morgan]

And there's me thinking you were a comedy genius... ! You'll be saying you're not Welsh next. Then the tears will start.

I was born in Wales!

 

[Stas Lawicki]

I was born in Wales!

That's good enough for me! Let's never meet... It will ruin everything

 

[2020Lawyer2020]

1. You can put people on and off furlough by the way - i think on for 3 weeks, off for 3 and rotate them. I don't think that is being done here but it is possible.
2. Most people on furlough are allowed to get jobs with other organisations at the same time (unless their employment contract prohibits it).
3. if I were he and the mask is the issue just work without the mask on.

 

[Newchodge]

1. You can put people on and off furlough by the way - i think on for 3 weeks, off for 3 and rotate them. I don't think that is being done here but it is possible.
2. Most people on furlough are allowed to get jobs with other organisations at the same time (unless their employment contract prohibits it).
3. if I were he and the mask is the issue just work without the mask on.

You can take people on and off furlough, as long as each furlough period is a minimum of 3 weeks (otherwise the money cannot be claimed). the time between furloughs can be as little as 1 day.

 

[Pembroke99]

Although the furough scheme and HMRC are UK wide as Cardiff is in Wales some of the rules may be different as to when the various schemes may end.