Recession 2020 and Beyond

[alan1302]

I love your optimism

and chlorinated chicken for all

What actually is so bad about chlorinated chicken? And having Brexit does not mean we will get chlorinated chicken...nothing in law to say we must!

 

[Mancunian]

Ah, Brexit. Hopefully a clean Brexit at the end of this year with no more pussyfooting around, no more extending.

We then won't have to contribute to the rebuilding of southern EU states / states mostly badly hit by coronavirus, we can focus on our own problems.

More than that, we won't need to contribute to the EU budget - there's tens of billions saved there! C'mon even Remainers must see that this is good news.

Even better, we'll be free to do our own thing - for example, state subsidies for businesses (without a stifling EU rule that any business that made a loss in the last financial year shouldn't get state support). But whether you agree with subsidies or not, it'll be our government that decides these things, decides in Britain's interests, not that of France's or Belgium's or Spain's.

Best of all, we can made radical changes to kick start our economy without being told we can't do this and can't lower the VAT on that. We can cut corporation tax to below Ireland's and get a swarm of large corporates moving to the UK to generate employment and pay billions in tax. We can do lots of other stuff that we can't do now.

Covid-19 is costing us less than it's costing other G7 countries. I know, I know, Sunak went a bit crazy with throwing cash about. Yet we're spending way below what Japan, the US etc are spending (as a percentage of GDP)!

So we're better placed to recover from the coming recession.

Brexit's the silver lining. This recession could be a lot worse without that.

Even though I voted to remain, I agree with most of this. I do believe that our recovery will be helped by our greater autonomy post Brexit. We are more able to take the decisions that focus on UK recovery, without having to worry about EU restrictions, laws, politics and bureaucracy.

Let’s just get the process completed without further delay and get on with the massive job of dealing with the fallout of Covid.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

I would have fought until the last bullet to stay in the EU but we never knew this was coming
This will make the EU irrelevant and I am also edging on the side of finishing the plan now .

 

[Mr D]

I love your optimism

and chlorinated chicken for all

You don't have to buy chlorinated chicken if you don't want to.

Come to think of it, do people have a problem with other chlorinated foods?

 

[Mr D]

Even though I voted to remain, I agree with most of this. I do believe that our recovery will be helped by our greater autonomy post Brexit. We are more able to take the decisions that focus on UK recovery, without having to worry about EU restrictions, laws, politics and bureaucracy.

Let’s just get the process completed without further delay and get on with the massive job of dealing with the fallout of Covid.

Well we could focus on UK recovery if we had decent politicians. I'm guessing the focus will be more of our usual politics instead.

 

[Mancunian]

Well we could focus on UK recovery if we had decent politicians. I'm guessing the focus will be more of our usual politics instead.

At least we should now get a more effective opposition. PMQ's is fast becoming a mismatch.

 

[alan1302]

At least we should now get a more effective opposition. PMQ's is fast becoming a mismatch.

What will make them more effective?

 

[Clinton]

I love your optimism

and chlorinated chicken for all

All the people who rant about chlorinated chicken have already got mad cow disease. Chicken is the least of their problems.

 

[Mancunian]

What will make them more effective?

The change of leader has made a difference already.

Much still to do though.

 

[Mr D]

At least we should now get a more effective opposition. PMQ's is fast becoming a mismatch.

Yes, that is one major benefit from the last election.
Regardless of who is in power we always need an effective opposition to hold government to account in public.
Sadly that has been missing for way too many years. Now? Looks like things are improving on that front.

 

[Mr D]

All the people who rant about chlorinated chicken have already got mad cow disease. Chicken is the least of their problems.

Perhaps they also have a problem with the chlorinated salads.

 

[Opinion87]

All the people who rant about chlorinated chicken have already got mad cow disease. Chicken is the least of their problems.

Or you could buy from a local butcher, then you don't have to worry so much about chlorine.

 

[Opinion87]

Yes, that is one major benefit from the last election.
Regardless of who is in power we always need an effective opposition to hold government to account in public.
Sadly that has been missing for way too many years. Now? Looks like things are improving on that front.

I've not seen any PMQ's. Are you saying Keir Starmer is making Bozza look like a moron?

 

[The Byre]

No, that's Bozza's job!

 

[alan1302]

Or you could buy from a local butcher, then you don't have to worry so much about chlorine.

They use chlorine to ensure everything is clean - is that so bad?

 

[Opinion87]

They use chlorine to ensure everything is clean - is that so bad?

It doesn't bother me a whole lot, personally.

 

[Newchodge]

They use chlorine to ensure everything is clean - is that so bad?

They use chlorine to allow unsafe (and inhumane) practices during the chicken's life and death. Also there have been studies that show the chlorine does not destory some of the harmful organisms the chickens pick up due to those practices.

 

[alan1302]

They use chlorine to allow unsafe (and inhumane) practices during the chicken's life and death. Also there have been studies that show the chlorine does not destory some of the harmful organisms the chickens pick up due to those practices.

So nothing actually wrong with the chicken being washed with chlorine.

Lower welfare standards is a different issue - that is what people should concentrate on - if the chicken has been washed in chlorine is neither here nor there.

 

[The Byre]

They are not washed in chlorine any more - they get washed in a cocktail of all sorts of different chemicals.

 

[Newchodge]

So nothing actually wrong with the chicken being washed with chlorine.

Lower welfare standards is a different issue - that is what people should concentrate on - if the chicken has been washed in chlorine is neither here nor there.

Chlorinated chicken is used as a shortcut.

 

[Mr D]

They use chlorine to allow unsafe (and inhumane) practices during the chicken's life and death. Also there have been studies that show the chlorine does not destory some of the harmful organisms the chickens pick up due to those practices.

What the heck are the farmers doing with those chickens????

 

[Scalloway]

This is PETA's take on the US chicken industry so it may be a touch biased but I believe it is essentially correct about the horrendous conditions.

https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/chickens/chicken-industry/

 

[Mr D]

This is PETA's take on the US chicken industry so it may be a touch biased but I believe it is essentially correct about the horrendous conditions.

https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/chickens/chicken-industry/

PETA - the organisation that complains about fur on fantasy figurines made of metal or plastic.
https://spikeybits.com/2017/02/finally-games-workshops-response-to-peta.html
Not sure they are a credible organisation, their idea of what should not be allowed is somewhat bonkers.

 

[alan1302]

PETA - the organisation that complains about fur on fantasy figurines made of metal or plastic.
https://spikeybits.com/2017/02/finally-games-workshops-response-to-peta.html
Not sure they are a credible organisation, their idea of what should not be allowed is somewhat bonkers.

For me they aren't credible at all - I find a lot of what they push for makes people do the opposite of what they actually want and gets peoples back up over silly things like this and so their actual message gets lost.

 

[gpietersz]

I find a lot of what they push for makes people do the opposite of what they actually want and gets peoples back up over silly things like this and so their actual message gets lost.

The silly stuff is part of their actual message: everyone should be a vegan, there should be no breeding of domesticated animals (even guide dogs would have to come from shelters), animal products should not be used in clothing (not just fur, but leather, wool and silk too).

 

[alan1302]

The silly stuff is part of their actual message: everyone should be a vegan, there should be no breeding of domesticated animals (even guide dogs would have to come from shelters), animal products should not be used in clothing (not just fur, but leather, wool and silk too).

Whilst I don't agree with their overall aims - I also don't see it as 'silly'.

Everyone could be vegan, domesticated animals are not required and there are synthetic plant based alternatives to fur/leather/wool and silk.

 

[Darren_Ssc]

The silly stuff is part of their actual message: everyone should be a vegan, there should be no breeding of domesticated animals (even guide dogs would have to come from shelters), animal products should not be used in clothing (not just fur, but leather, wool and silk too).

They could take it step further by encouraging people not to breed, then there would be less demand for meat products and domesticated animals.

**Actually, having witnessed a day of moronic behaviour now the majority of people seem to think lock-down is over, that might not be a bad idea?

 

[alan1302]

They could take it step further by encouraging people not to breed, then there would be less demand for meat products and domesticated animals.

That is something that does need to be done

 

[Mr D]

Whilst I don't agree with their overall aims - I also don't see it as 'silly'.

Everyone could be vegan, domesticated animals are not required and there are synthetic plant based alternatives to fur/leather/wool and silk.

Not everyone could be vegan.
I rather enjoy my domesticated animals, no intention of wearing their fur. And they help keep rat and mouse population controlled.

 

[alan1302]

Not everyone could be vegan.
I rather enjoy my domesticated animals, no intention of wearing their fur. And they help keep rat and mouse population controlled.

Why could they not be vegan?

 

[Interestedobserver]

A friend of mine was in Notting Hill today. He said you would have no idea at all that we were in lockdown the amount of people out and about.

Us Brits will be our own worst enemy.

 

[Opinion87]

A friend of mine was in Notting Hill today. He said you would have no idea at all that we were in lockdown the amount of people out and about.

Us Brits will be our own worst enemy.

Yeah BUT if we were vegan, problem solved. D'uh.

 

[MBE2017]

A friend of mine was in Notting Hill today. He said you would have no idea at all that we were in lockdown the amount of people out and about.

Us Brits will be our own worst enemy.

Trouble is London is not British, that said most of the UK is taking this pandemic very lightly, guess when the infection levels and deaths start increasing, people will start to remember what the problem is.

Life needs to go on, but the UK and the rest of the world are going to be very different places, for at least the next 1-3 years.

 

[Interestedobserver]

I'm in Leicestershire. Not many overseas people in the places I shop or visit. . When I go out to shop etc I stay safe. Too many people around me don't seem to even care how close they get to people. Not all but enough.

You wonder about the IQ of some of the population.

Some don't really seem to be taking it all in.

Or just seem oblivious to any risk.

 

[Darren_Ssc]

You wonder about the IQ of some of the population.

Some don't really seem to be taking it all in.

Or just seem oblivious to any risk.

Some don't see the risk because they are not in frequent contact with older relatives or those in vulnerable groups. Some are just plain stupid and a minority seem to think it's some sort of conspiracy they need to be fighting against?

Then there are the furloughed middle aged, middle earners who think they're on a state-sponsored jolly. The others I can forgive for lack of brain cells, but these lot really get my goat.

 

[Mr D]

I'm in Leicestershire. Not many overseas people in the places I shop or visit. . When I go out to shop etc I stay safe. Too many people around me don't seem to even care how close they get to people. Not all but enough.

You wonder about the IQ of some of the population.

Some don't really seem to be taking it all in.

Or just seem oblivious to any risk.

Perhaps the smart ones will survive while the idiots will (at least some) die off.

Still fairly quiet in my area, supermarket yesterday was quieter than normal for a Friday while local park this morning is its usual quiet self.

 

[Paul Norman]

Trouble is London is not British, that said most of the UK is taking this pandemic very lightly, guess when the infection levels and deaths start increasing, people will start to remember what the problem is.

Life needs to go on, but the UK and the rest of the world are going to be very different places, for at least the next 1-3 years.

I am actually quite curious as to what impact the ethnicity of the population has on the matter. I don't know what percentage of the population in London is not British, of course. I do know that where I spend much of my time a tiny percentage is British. I have not noticed a clear correlation between compliance with lockdown rules and ethnicity.

 

[MBE2017]

I am actually quite curious as to what impact the ethnicity of the population has on the matter. I don't know what percentage of the population in London is not British, of course. I do know that where I spend much of my time a tiny percentage is British. I have not noticed a clear correlation between compliance with lockdown rules and ethnicity.

In my town their are large groups of mainly Males, who have the appearance of our Muslim friends, who have ignored all social distancing measures, Mosques still opened until recently, often meeting up elsewhere. Law of averages says a group of 10+ will transmit the virus more than those sticking to the lockdown rules.

 

[Mr D]

I am actually quite curious as to what impact the ethnicity of the population has on the matter. I don't know what percentage of the population in London is not British, of course. I do know that where I spend much of my time a tiny percentage is British. I have not noticed a clear correlation between compliance with lockdown rules and ethnicity.

The media have screamed a few times that BAME people are much more likely to die from this virus. Though what factors cause that remains unclear - we are not particularly more likely to be acting different.

 

[MBE2017]

The media have screamed a few times that BAME people are much more likely to die from this virus. Though what factors cause that remains unclear - we are not particularly more likely to be acting different.

Lack of vitamin D.