Digital marketing - easy to learn and profitable?

Eversssonn

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Hey,
I have a question - do you think digital marketing is a very profitable field that almost all can do? As I am not much into marketing now, it seems I could learn everything online with some courses (I mean google analytics, seo stuff, facebook and instagram ads management).
Has anybody have some related experience?

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Darren_Ssc

You need to know more than your clients but, otherwise, the bar is quite low. It's more a question of how good a salesman you are and how comfortable you are with making promises it's unlikely you can live up to?

Judging by the number of digital agencies around and what little they actually do, I'd say it must be quite profitable?

If you think I'm just being cynical, I can assure you I am absolutely not.
 
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I have a question - do you think digital marketing is a very profitable field that almost all can do.
No. It's something all can do badly but very few can do well.
 
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Digital marketing is not everyone's cup of tea.
You can learn everything online using various free/paid sources, there is a lot learning resources available in this field. but when you experience various things on real website, content or social media or paid marketing, you will get to know real value of this.
So, all the best for your future in Digital Marketing.
 
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    You need to know more than your clients but, otherwise, the bar is quite low. It's more a question of how good a salesman you are and how comfortable you are with making promises it's unlikely you can live up to?

    Judging by the number of digital agencies around and what little they actually do, I'd say it must be quite profitable?

    If you think I'm just being cynical, I can assure you I am absolutely not.

    I must admit I find it slightly offensive when I read something like this....but on the flip side I do kind of understand where you are coming from.

    I have been in digital marketing for 10 years, now running a small agency.

    Whenever I speak to a new client who is looking at digital marketing....without exception, I always look to gain 2 things from them;

    What is your budget
    What levels of sales do you need to generate for that budget.

    I kid you not, I have seen examples were a client is looking to sell static homes worth £150k - £200k and came with a budget of £25 per month. From an agency perspective, you would be amazed at how quickly a potential client switches off when you give them the harsh reality of budgets and likely conversion rates. This leads to one of two things happening;

    1. They get their head around the reality, and talk to us about cost per conversion, and what might be achievable, and how we can work long term to drive an improved conversion rate.

    2. They move on to another agency until they find one willing to take their money, and tell them what they want to hear.

    From my perspective; I don't like stress, I dont like unhappy customers phoning, and I dont like working to unrealistic targets with unrealistic budgets. I do believe that every single customer we do work for, understands what we are doing for them, understands the targets we are working to, and is kept informed if and when those targets are not being met. We wouldn't work with a client if we didn't think we could help them. If a campaign isnt workable, there is zero point in running it and investing time to build an unhappy customer.

    I hear the horror stories, and I often see the end result when a client approaches us after being with a rogue agency. This should be a regulated sector to some extent, which would probably mean inflated costs, but may also stop some business owners wasting money on campaigns which are never gong to work.
     
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    Darren_Ssc

    I must admit I find it slightly offensive when I read something like this....but on the flip side I do kind of understand where you are coming from.

    You go on to highlight the problem of rogue agencies and clients with high expectations/low budgets though.

    I think we can agree there are far too many of both and this is, in part, due to the perception that it's an easy business to get into. Maybe it's because it's a newish field and needs to mature?
     
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    fisicx

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    Maybe it's because it's a newish field and needs to mature?
    Digital marketing is just a sub group of marketing. And that's been full of rouges since the Trog the caveman tried to extol the benefits of a balsa wood club. The technology may have changed but the techniques are pretty much the same as they have always been. That being said, the OP wasn't really looking for an answer, once they got caught out about they app they were promoting they haven't been back.
     
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    Craig3141

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    Yes it's tough to find a decent digital marketeer. I have zero confidence in most of them. I'd love to find a good one though.

    So profitable, yes, sustainable, maybe not ?

    What would you call a decent one? What would they look like? I think the slow time to results hurts the field as it makes it easier for rouges to get involved.

    Yes it's tough to find a decent digital marketeer. I have zero confidence in most of them. I'd love to find a good one though.

    So profitable, yes, sustainable, maybe not ?

    What is your budget
    What levels of sales do you need to generate for that budget.

    I kid you not, I have seen examples were a client is looking to sell static homes worth £150k - £200k and came with a budget of £25 per month.
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    That is astonishing.
     
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    Ecomccountant

    A decent one would take the time to understand the business, what the target customer is and ultimately choose.the most cost effective way of getting leads.

    Not just slapping some Google ads for "find an accountant " with a cost per click of 12 quid.
     
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    Craig3141

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    A decent one would take the time to understand the business, what the target customer is and ultimately choose. The most cost effective way of getting leads.

    How long do you think it would take for someone to understand your business?

    Are there any observations or questions that show they have understood YourCloudAccountant? Are you prepared to share what your company would like in 3 years if the world was ideal? What the most 3 most essential drivers are this year? What your rate of churn and lifetime value might be? Provide a good understanding of your strategy? What you would like your competitors to say about YourCloudAccountant? Are you willing and able to share customer data (and their emails) with the marketer? After all they need to sell your services to your clients. Would you share your Unique Selling Point?


    Not just slapping some Google ads for "find an accountant” with a cost per click of 12 quid.


    That is awful. There are some much better keywords. Such as Accountant in Plumstead (assuming you are near your registered office). Or even find an accountant QuickBooks or cloud accountant) or find an accountant on WhatsApp.

    Did you know find an accountant on WhatsApp is a better keyword term than find an accountant or find an accountant with video conferencing?
     
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    Craig3141

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    WHAT? I am so confused. Why would anyone Google search this phrase?


    Good question. I can't think why anyone would google this phrase. I'd like to know too, I have no idea why they would? Perhaps with all the SEO experts like yourself, we can figure it out! Perhaps they are frustrated at accounts being unable to work via whatsapp?


    whatsapp accountants is a niche that's not been fully exploited as yet, in fact - not at all! I can't think why?


    Perhaps there is a reason WhatsApp is incompatible with accountancy? We will have to wait and see if YourCloudAccountant or any other accountants gives us some good input.


    Because literally nobody apart from you has invented such a random search phrase.


    I'd love to know what tools you are using to look for long tail keywords? Ahrefs? I’m just learning so it well could be complete tosh, though it is a search phrase I would never have thought about. It was me rather than @Darren_Ssc who posted about it though.
     
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    fisicx

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    Good question. I can't think why anyone would google this phrase. I'd like to know too, I have no idea why they would?
    Well you did suggest this a keyword. Maybe this is why everyone is confused.

    If I search for a service Google always suggests ‘x near me’ and shows a local map. Which means a google my business listing is more useful than just SEO.
     
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    I know your just making conversation Craig but stuff like "what is your USP" and use "find an accountant on WhatsApp" is why I have no faith in digital marketeers.

    Digital marketeers need to understand the industry or have a working knowledge, they then need to find out what niche they can capitalise and then they need to keep monitoring and twerking.
     
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    Digital marketeers need to understand the industry or have a working knowledge, they then need to find out what niche they can capitalise and then they need to keep monitoring and twerking.

    So you think a decent digital marketer for you would be an ex accountant then?

    Craig3141 invented, please don't give me the credit?

    I never invented it, I just pointed it out.

    Well you did suggest this a keyword. Maybe this is why everyone is confused.

    If I search for a service Google always suggests ‘x near me’ and shows a local map. Which means a google my business listing is more useful than just SEO.

    I did point out that accountant in plumstead which is x near me for anyone in plumstead.

    I did suggest it mainly to point out how bad these adwords for an acccountat are. If I can come up with something better im 30 minutes.

    Huh, I thought GMB was SEO.
     
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    So you think a decent digital marketer for you would be an ex accountant then?

    No, but as an accountant I understand Amazon FBA businesses and dropshippers by taking time to read the industry articles, sign up to the newsletters and watch videos as if I were an Amazon Seller. I then use this to ensure that I am doing the right thing for my clients businesses.

    A digital marketeer should be the same, the crux comes down to a lot of people are doing it but many have any kind of formal training and just give it a go.
     
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    Ecomccountant

    Ah so your impressed by a content writer/publisher then?

    Someone who has a read and learnt about the industry, has a relevant blog/newsletter/contribution to industry publications,interviewed top accountants etc.

    No, I expect someone who wants to market my business to have a core understanding of the market or be prepared to understand the market - they don't need to be the industry leading expert but they should at the very least under how the market works and what are the current trends.

    What I wouldn't want is someone just saying, "what are your drivers in your business" without understanding the wider market and then delivering an inefficient or ineffective digital marketing campaign.
     
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    fisicx

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    Digital marketing is very easy to learn. You can be pretty good in a matter of weeks, as long as you spend 10 years or so getting to grips with marketing in more general terms first. ;)
    Always makes me laugh when I see the words 'digital marketing'. It's just Marketing using a few different tools. You could take a successful marketing professional from 100 years ago and they would recognise much of what people do these days. OK so the Internet would confuse them a bit but the methodology hasn't changed.
     
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    Digital marketing is the promotion of products/services via various forms of electronic media, mainly based on the internet.
    Digital marketer have following advantages

    1. Can secure a job as per preferences
    2. Work with various projects and understand various businesses
    3. Ability to analyze the market and learn new trends in market
    4. Can do freelance side projects for extra income
    5. They use Google Adsense and earn a decent income from ads
     
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    People that are saying that it is easy to learn are a bunch of jokers
    I have been running a website longer than most on here and still get somebody else to do the SEO work
    It is not easy and in this very competitive environment you have to demonstrate to the customer that you can offer them the best service because if you cant somebody a lot better is a click away
    Yes you can learn but to build a good business off the back of it but you need to be really good
     
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