Missing full sugar Fanta Dr pepper and other drinks

[Karimbo]

Is there a market for buying full sugar 2ltr bottle of said soft drinks from the continent and selling them here in the UK? I know that a lot of takeaways sell Pepsi and coke which French and German writing (I'm guessing to avoid sugar tax), what about drinks in 2litre bottles for all the drinks that they don't sell here in their original form? Is it viable to bring all that liquid in a lorry here?

 

[Mr D]

Sorry, is 2 litre Fanta normal sugar no longer available near you?

Can get it at Sainsburys, Morrisons and Tesco last I looked. Last month.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries

Yes there is a market for the drink, whether you could buy it in at low enough price and sell it to sufficient people to make it worth your while....?

Oh and local cash and carry had it in a couple of weeks back.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

If you want a heart attack or stroke you crack on mate

I'm not sure why you would want these fat boy drinks anyway

 

[Darren_Ssc]

If you want a heart attack or stroke you crack on mate

I'm not sure why you would want these fat boy drinks anyway

The people I see buying diet, low sugar drinks in large quantities are invariably fat. There is an argument that these drinks trigger a craving for sugar that is later satisfied in some other way. There is also some concern about the effects that artificial sweeteners have on the gut.

I can't speak for the scientific validity of such claims but I don't like low sugar drinks and have stopped buying them altogether. If there isn't a full sugar version available I'll buy beer instead.

I am mid-fifties, not fat and not needed to see a doctor in 40 years. I'll stick to my choices thanks.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

Fizzy drinks in any form are liquid crack and it does nothing for the body !

It is quite funny really the UK population are fuming about large corporations avoiding Uk tax while paying their employees slave wages !

The OP comes on the biggest business forum in Europe and tries to avoid tax on a can of coke !

 

[Mark T Jones]

Is there a market for buying full sugar 2ltr bottle of said soft drinks from the continent and selling them here in the UK? I know that a lot of takeaways sell Pepsi and coke which French and German writing (I'm guessing to avoid sugar tax), what about drinks in 2litre bottles for all the drinks that they don't sell here in their original form? Is it viable to bring all that liquid in a lorry here?

To the best of my knowledge full-sugar variants are still available.

Grey imports pre-date sugar tax and usually are just a way of cutting costs by getting around the control of Coke, Pepsico et al over the ~UK supply chain.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

I can't speak for the scientific validity of such claims but I don't like low sugar drinks and have stopped buying them altogether. If there isn't a full sugar version available I'll buy beer instead.

You don't support low sugar drinks because they create cravings for sugar (and that's a bad thing), so you just cut out the middle man and get the full sugar version?

Interesting.

There's a market on eBay for full fat Irn Bru. My brother has a storage unit full of the stuff.

 

[Darren_Ssc]

You don't support low sugar drinks because they create cravings for sugar (and that's a bad thing), so you just cut out the middle man and get the full sugar version?

Interesting.

Full sugar coke and zero sugar coke are the same price though - no need to buy something else.

 

[deniser]

I thought Coca Cola were the ones who refused to ever change the recipe?

 

[Mr D]

Full sugar coke and zero sugar coke are the same price though - no need to buy something else.

Someone absorbing the sugar tax so you pay same price?

 

[Mr D]

Fizzy drinks in any form are liquid crack and it does nothing for the body !

It is quite funny really the UK population are fuming about large corporations avoiding Uk tax while paying their employees slave wages !

The OP comes on the biggest business forum in Europe and tries to avoid tax on a can of coke !

UK population appear not to care about large corporations that don't owe UK tax not paying it. Slave wages are dealt with by the appropriate authorities - you will be notifying them of the companies concerned?
There are multiple large corporations paying higher wages than the UK minimum - much to the annoyance of some of the media this reduces their corporation tax bill.

 

[Mr D]

If you want a heart attack or stroke you crack on mate

I'm not sure why you would want these fat boy drinks anyway

The thing is that customers want to buy these drinks.
Supplying a customer demand is a useful method of gaining money in business.

Perhaps the customers have tried some of the low sugar drinks and do not want them? I'm a fanta man - the full sugar version I'll have 2 or 4 litres a month. The other version of it I wouldn't have if it was given away.
Pretty sure the risks of stroke or heart attack are impacted by multiple other factors that are either ignored or kept to moderation.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

The problem with taxing it like this is similar to minimum alcohol pricing up here in Scotland.
The desired effect is to make people take less sugar, however people don't really change their habits...they just pay the extra.

 

[Mr D]

The problem with taxing it like this is similar to minimum alcohol pricing up here in Scotland.
The desired effect is to make people take less sugar, however people don't really change their habits...they just pay the extra.

Bit like the tax on alcohol and tobacco.
I have met people who have given up drinking and smoking - have never met someone who did so because the tax on it was getting too much.
Give it time, government will figure out other ways of taxing personal choices.
An internet charge perhaps because so many of us use the internet...

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Personally, I think it's all a bit of a con... just another way to tax something.

We've all been drinking this stuff for years, and now... they want to say it's bad for us... seriously if it's that bad why the hell are people not suing Coca Cola for causing obesity?

 

[Darren_Ssc]

I thought Coca Cola were the ones who refused to ever change the recipe?

For regular Coke, they are selling smaller cans to stay within the sugar limits. I'm not sure how it works really because, afaik, you can still buy the normal sizes pretty much anywhere?

 

[Mr D]

Personally, I think it's all a bit of a con... just another way to tax something.

We've all been drinking this stuff for years, and now... they want to say it's bad for us... seriously if it's that bad why the hell are people not suing Coca Cola for causing obesity?

We were told eggs were bad for us. Now they are not.
We were told that certain fats were bad for us. Now they are not.
The health people tell us that salt is bad for us, now its sugar, perhaps next time it will be flour.

I'm pretty sure there are people who are not going to be happy until we conform to their view of the world. By stopping certain foods and drinks because those people don't like them.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

@Mr D You know whats bad for you ,you don't need the government to tell you and you know that fat boy drinks will play a part in getting you one day

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

The issue with standardised nutrition guidelines is that everyone is different.
A level of carbs for one person could be totally reasonable, but for others they might put on weight at an alarming rate.
Rather than being led by what the government or the media says is good for them, people need to figure out what works for them.

That said, in almost all cases sugar is bad.

 

[Mark T Jones]

The problem with taxing it like this is similar to minimum alcohol pricing up here in Scotland.
The desired effect is to make people take less sugar, however people don't really change their habits...they just pay the extra.

Elasticity of demand (AKA tax cash-cows)

Historically fuel, booze & fags - all f which have been hit, hence Government needs a new cash cow.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

Elasticity of demand (AKA tax cash-cows)

Historically fuel, booze & fags - all f which have been hit, hence Government needs a new cash cow.

As long as they don't start milking finance brokers, we're ok!

 

[Mr D]

@Mr D You know whats bad for you ,you don't need the government to tell you and you know that fat boy drinks will play a part in getting you one day

Yes I know what is bad for me. And I know what tastes nice.
If fat boy drinks do me in then so be it, will have lived a great life and enjoyed myself.
Lots of other things likely to have done me in more than a few litres a month - walking the dog is bad for me. Going shopping is bad for me. Going to work is bad for me.
I still do all 3.

Spending time in hospital is bad for me.

 

[Mr D]

The issue with standardised nutrition guidelines is that everyone is different.
A level of carbs for one person could be totally reasonable, but for others they might put on weight at an alarming rate.
Rather than being led by what the government or the media says is good for them, people need to figure out what works for them.

That said, in almost all cases sugar is bad.

Too much of most things is bad.
You can drink too much water too. Notice government tax on water at the moment? Give it time...

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

I remember about 2 years ago, me n the missus went out and bought a 9lb kebab... I ate most of it that day... probably about 8lb of it to be a bit more accurate... I didn't weigh 8lb more though...

Shocking isn't it!!

Joking apart though, during my health check 4 years ago I was told I had a fatty liver, therefore I must be an Alcoholic... Yeah right! the actual culprit was the amount of cheese I eat... I was also told I was morbidly obese... I'm 6ft4 with a slipped disk and twisted spine so I stoop a bit and I weigh 18.5 stone...

I told them this, and at the time they agreed... roll forward a couple of years... still hardly any alcohol no change in my diet of cheeses... yet I have a healthy liver and kidney function... I still weigh 18.5 stone...yet now I'm obese with potential diabetes...?? Go figure!!

 

[Mr D]

I remember about 2 years ago, me n the missus went out and bought a 9lb kebab... I ate most of it that day... probably about 8lb of it to be a bit more accurate... I didn't weigh 8lb more though...

Shocking isn't it!!

Joking apart though, during my health check 4 years ago I was told I had a fatty liver, therefore I must be an Alcoholic... Yeah right! the actual culprit was the amount of cheese I eat... I was also told I was morbidly obese... I'm 6ft4 with a slipped disk and twisted spine so I stoop a bit and I weigh 18.5 stone...

I told them this, and at the time they agreed... roll forward a couple of years... still hardly any alcohol no change in my diet of cheeses... yet I have a healthy liver and kidney function... I still weigh 18.5 stone...yet now I'm obese with potential diabetes...?? Go figure!!

LOL - my dad was told by his doctor back in the 90s to stop eating eggs. He's had an egg a day since he was a small boy, 55 years on they tell him to stop?
Roll forward another 20 years and his GP is pleased he eats an egg a day, great body (and blood results) for his age and more active even in his wheelchair than most of his similar age contemporaries.

 

[deniser]

I struck up conversation with a stranger in a hospital waiting room last week. She was still working full time but struggling because of poor health, mid 50s, overweight. She told me that her weight and poor diet had caused her to have type 2 diabetes, heart disease, kidney failure, liver disease and that she was waiting for gallbladder surgery which she couldn't have until she lost a further 3 stones. She said that every single one of her health conditions was caused by her poor diet. She has changed her eating habits but it is largely too late and she wished with hindsight that she had paid more attention to messages about diet and obesity. It certainly was an eye opener for me.

 

[Mark T Jones]

We were told eggs were bad for us. Now they are not.
We were told that certain fats were bad for us. Now they are not.
The health people tell us that salt is bad for us, now its sugar, perhaps next time it will be flour.

I'm pretty sure there are people who are not going to be happy until we conform to their view of the world. By stopping certain foods and drinks because those people don't like them.

The tax thing is quite deliberate

the 'good' 'bad' debate is entirely man-made and mostly a first world problem.

Put simply, the whole healthy eating debate is arse about face and propagated by big business

Said businesses process the hell out of food, then try to guess what causes problems and demonise individual components.

At an individual level, the answer is surprisingly simple (in theory at least)

Instead of thinking about what's bad for you, think about what is good for you. Pretty much across the board that will be:

- naturally occurring (largely plant-based)
- Minimally processed
- Bred or grown in as close to its natural environment as possible

Add to that diversity (eat a rainbow..) and you have the starting point.

In real world you will probably want to process and mess about a bit - even add the off can of Fanta, but this is infinitely more effective than trying to strip the bad out of processed food

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

I'm allergic to nuts... yet all health guru's state nuts are good for me!! shall I try a bag of ready salted peanuts or should I not risk it as there are health risks what with the added salt n all that?!

Go on go for it, I ain't no Doctor but I don't think the odd nut will do you any harm!

Hi, you told my uncle to try a ready salted peanut, unfortunately he's dead now and we're suing you

All a pile of tosh innit!

 

[Mr D]

The tax thing is quite deliberate

the 'good' 'bad' debate is entirely man-made and mostly a first world problem.

Put simply, the whole healthy eating debate is arse about face and propagated by big business

Said businesses process the hell out of food, then try to guess what causes problems and demonise individual components.

At an individual level, the answer is surprisingly simple (in theory at least)

Instead of thinking about what's bad for you, think about what is good for you. Pretty much across the board that will be:

- naturally occurring (largely plant-based)
- Minimally processed
- Bred or grown in as close to its natural environment as possible

Add to that diversity (eat a rainbow..) and you have the starting point.

In real world you will probably want to process and mess about a bit - even add the off can of Fanta, but this is infinitely more effective than trying to strip the bad out of processed food

Yes, variety and moderation of stuff can work.
Processed is both good and bad. Can be too little of something in a processed food item, the demonization of salt for example has changed things over past few years. What suits one doesn't suit another though people who live on fast food may indeed have been having a high intake of salt.
Strangely I've never known people to complain too much about bakery products.... while complaining of the lesser amount of salt in some meals.

 

[Mark T Jones]

Yes, variety and moderation of stuff can work.
Processed is both good and bad. Can be too little of something in a processed food item, the demonization of salt for example has changed things over past few years. What suits one doesn't suit another though people who live on fast food may indeed have been having a high intake of salt.
Strangely I've never known people to complain too much about bakery products.... while complaining of the lesser amount of salt in some meals.

Part of the point of unprocessed is that you get to choose what is added It is widely agreed that if the average person were to stop adding salt and sugar there would be relatively tiny impact n their consumption, because the majority of their intake is already added.

Of course, 'gluten free' is the latest fake health marketing frenzy (along with protein)

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

The thing about salt causing hypertension is still thrown about regularly, especially by doctors.
However the science it was based on was one study where mice were given the equivalent of 40g of salt a day...and some of them had high blood pressure....

Good nutritional advice can be summed up in two lines:

1. Eat real food
2. Do some exercise

Unfortunately that doesn't sell papers, sell books, sell diet plans, or get YouTube views.

 

[MikeJ]

How do you test a mouse's blood pressure? You're going to need a really small sleeve thing to put over their paw.

 

[Mr D]

Part of the point of unprocessed is that you get to choose what is added It is widely agreed that if the average person were to stop adding salt and sugar there would be relatively tiny impact n their consumption, because the majority of their intake is already added.

Of course, 'gluten free' is the latest fake health marketing frenzy (along with protein)

Gluten free is often touted as a wonder diet - those with Coeliacs have to be on it. From what I hear there are places offering gluten free food that makes Coeliacs ill - so perhaps too much gluten left in.

People often forget when planning what to eat that many things contain sugar or salt as normal - eat a punnet of strawberries and claim you don't have sugar - not processed sugar anyway...

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

How do you test a mouse's blood pressure? You're going to need a really small sleeve thing to put over their paw.

Very good point.
I'm imagining some very tiny stethoscopes as well.

 

[Mr D]

The thing about salt causing hypertension is still thrown about regularly, especially by doctors.
However the science it was based on was one study where mice were given the equivalent of 40g of salt a day...and some of them had high blood pressure....

Good nutritional advice can be summed up in two lines:

1. Eat real food
2. Do some exercise

Unfortunately that doesn't sell papers, sell books, sell diet plans, or get YouTube views.

Best part of 20 years ago my consultant increased my salt intake. My GP has increased it since.
Too little salt is as bad as too much.

Have come across people who eat salt - mixed in with chips perhaps but all the taste element is salt, not the chip.
Done well, its a spice like any other. Done badly its a part of a main course by itself.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

Gluten free is often touted as a wonder diet - those with Coeliacs have to be on it. From what I hear there are places offering gluten free food that makes Coeliacs ill - so perhaps too much gluten left in.

People often forget when planning what to eat that many things contain sugar or salt as normal - eat a punnet of strawberries and claim you don't have sugar - not processed sugar anyway...

A gluten free diet can help some people who aren't Coeliac, because gluten "agrees with" people's guts to varying degrees. Again, its specific to each individual.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

Best part of 20 years ago my consultant increased my salt intake. My GP has increased it since.
Too little salt is as bad as too much.

Have come across people who eat salt - mixed in with chips perhaps but all the taste element is salt, not the chip.
Done well, its a spice like any other. Done badly its a part of a main course by itself.

Pink salt is absolutely lovely. I put it on everything these days, and as you say too little salt can be bad news!

 

[Mark T Jones]

Funny how much dietary advice revolves around the exceptions rather than the rules

In particular people selling 'diet' love to talk about deficiencies. How many people have you met who are deficient in protein? Yet a huge industry is emerging badging Mars Bars or any other shit with the word 'Protien' with the sub text that it is somehow healthy

Again, if you eat a natural diet and you are deficient in protein (or anything else), it is fairly easy to add in protein-rich foods, or even supplements.

Being real though, Excess is about 1,000 time bigger problem than deficiency

 

[Mark T Jones]

People often forget when planning what to eat that many things contain sugar or salt as normal - eat a punnet of strawberries and claim you don't have sugar - not processed sugar anyway...

Again; look at the processing aspect. Oranges are full of sugar - bound to fibre, but you'd be really going some to peel and eat enough oranges for it to be an issue.

On the other hand, take 6 oranges, chuck them in a processor, strip out the fibre and you stepping towards unhealth eating

 

[Mark T Jones]

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Too little salt is as bad as too much.

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How many people have you met who are deficient in salt? And how difficult is it to rectify?