Self Balancing Scooters/ Segway Board

[Clinton]

Thank you. May I have 10 pieces at £1080 + vat all inclusive delivered to my door?

Let's take this to PM.

 

[MOIC]

Hi Clinton

The scooter is £98

Shipping for 100pcs (as stated in my post) is £10.

To ship 10pcs by sea is really not viable as there are minimum fees from both the shipping lines and UK forwarders.

There are also upgrades available, including Bluetooth speakers. as well as other "bits"

I will respond to your PM in greater detail.

 

[Clinton]

So you can't do 10 pieces at the £135 p/u currently achievable in the UK for that quantity?

Your original post didn't mention duty, just £98 + £10 shipping to demonstrate you are competitive with the above price for 10 units.

You then add duty at 6%.

You then say minimum order is 100 pieces.

Your PM says the battery is an extra and doesn't come with the unit.

It's starting to add up.

Assume I upgrade my order to 100 pieces. Can you deliver them to my UK address in Essex (10 miles from the container port) all duties, port charges etc paid? How much? Please note: include all the parts and "bits" that I would get if I bought these units now at market price.

Let me guess, it's going to be a darn sight more than the £108 you quoted to show how competitive you are.

I know several importers who've been caught out like this - supplier quotes them say £100 per unit + £10 shipping. And by the time it gets to their door the price is well over £200 (excluding VAT) once all duties, port charges, handling charges, paperwork charges, forwarding costs etc., are paid.

 

[GraemeL]

Funny how suppliers in China like quoting C&F/CIF. Why not include duty, paperwork charges, landing port fees, container splitting costs, forwarding etc etc? These can often add up to more than the cost of the products.

Can you get it past all of those formalities to a UK address for £135? If not then you're not really offering a better price, you're just relying on some muppets not knowing the full story of all the extra charges they'll be liable for when the goods land.

Just so readers know, the super low shipping cost is a standard ploy used by Chinese suppliers. Take up their offer and use their shipping company and you'll get stung very, very badly because the freight companies some of them use fleece the customer rotten at the other end i.e. when the goods arrive (and provide a kickback to the Chinese supplier).

Not saying you do this, My Office in China, but this is far too common.

What actually is your beef? You make serious points about poor quality product and then seem to be critical of @MY OFFICE IN CHINA who is importing (what he says is quality product) in bulk at a price that is too high for you. Then you ask for PM communication. Then you start including points from PM in public.

Why are you going on about it?

 

[Clinton]

My beef was about price transparency and I've made my point about importing costs. But you're right, I'll keep this now in PMs. (An aside: I wasn't interested in buying this product, but got tempted to consider importing them when I saw the price and quality assurances because I know businesses who want quantities of this product.)

 

[MOIC]

So you can't do 10 pieces at the £135 p/u currently achievable in the UK for that quantity?

I can do it for cheaper than £135.

Scooter = £98

Shipping = £10

Import Duty = £6.48

Total = £114.

Your original post didn't mention duty, just £98 + £10 shipping to demonstrate you are competitive with the above price for 10 units.

Perhaps you didn't see my post:

I can't speak for Chinese suppliers as I am a Brit.

I have been working in China for the past 30 years.

However, to answer your questions:

1. The price is £98.

2. Shipping (Per 100pcs) including all clearance fees and delivery to your door is under £10 (There will be a little fluctuation based on the delivery address).

3. Import Duty is 6%

4. VAT is 20%

5. The products are manufactured by the factory authorised by the patent owner (Segway - Who were bought out last year by a Chinese company).

6. All products come with verified certificates, including CE, RoHS, MSDS (and if you will be selling to US customers FCC)

7. All products come with a warranty.

8. All goods are independently checked. (Not only factory checked).

9. We offer a full after sales service.

10. All communication is done in English, not via a Chinese person thinking they know English.

The main problem and this is often the case when UK buyers start getting prices from China factories, is that they put price first, quality and certification last.

It eventually comes back to bite them.

The term "False Economy" is apt.

This is a sophisticated electronic product, not a toy and should be treated as one.

You then say minimum order is 100 pieces.

Incorrect.

The MOQ is 10pcs.

You can choose which method of shipping you require.

I merely pointed out to you (in a private message) that to ship be sea 10pcs is not viable due to minimum charges of ocean freight and UK forwarding.

Your PM says the battery is an extra and doesn't come with the unit.

Again, incorrect.

All the scooters come with a Lithium battery 36v 4.4ah.

I said (again in a private message) that you can upgrade to a Samsung battery.

I can assure you that the price you quoted (£135 + Vat is with a Chinese battery).

It's starting to add up.

Yes it is.

You know zero about importing, shipping and what to look out for in this product.

Assume I upgrade my order to 100 pieces. Can you deliver them to my UK address in Essex (10 miles from the container port) all duties, port charges etc paid? How much? Please note: include all the parts and "bits" that I would get if I bought these units now at market price.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Let me guess, it's going to be a darn sight more than the £108 you quoted to show how competitive you are.

You have my prices.

Make sure you know what to include when you import:

I have made it abundantly clear, a 10 year old can calculate it.

Product Cost

Shipping Fees

Import Duty

VAT

UK Clearance

UK Delivery

I know several importers who've been caught out like this - supplier quotes them say £100 per unit + £10 shipping. And by the time it gets to their door the price is well over £200 (excluding VAT) once all duties, port charges, handling charges, paperwork charges, forwarding costs etc., are paid.

Be careful of defamation.

You have just demonstrated that you are a novice to importing.

Please don't bother to send me any PM's as I pick and choose who I work with and unfortunately you are not that person.

You think you know everything.

Be well.

 

[MBE1]

I think this demonstrates lack of knowledge on importing, the supplier does not apply duty, this is a Government fee depending on the destination country. Most importantly as has been mentioned, there are many options on both the product and shipping methods, posting in an agressive manner will never get you far.

As with many trades there tends to be a norm, quoting FOB or CIF tends to be the norm, but exporters will quote a client anything they want, so nothing is hidden. A £2 calculator allows you to check the cost adding up.

 

[japancool]

so nothing is hidden.

Sorry, but that's patently not true, as many members of this forum will attest. As Clinton asserts, it is far from uncommon for exporters in the Far East to quote low CIF rates and then recover the money from the UK agent, who will charge exorbitant handover fees.

 

[MOIC]

Not if you do your due diligence.

For novices, this may be the case who rely on a supplier to arrange the shipping for them.

If they quote an LCL ocean freight cost without UK forwarding you are asking to get ripped off.

Its not difficult to contact UK forwarders and get quotations.

 

[MBE1]

Sorry, but that's patently not true, as many members of this forum will attest. As Clinton asserts, it is far from uncommon for exporters in the Far East to quote low CIF rates and then recover the money from the UK agent, who will charge exorbitant handover fees.

I apologise, I thought this was a thread for business people who would ask for quotes first rather than making a decision without the facts. You can arrange your own customs clearance, transport or get others to do it.

Putting a brain in your head is no-one elses responsibility.

 

[japancool]

I apologise, I thought this was a thread for business people who would ask for quotes first rather than making a decision without the facts. You can arrange your own customs clearance, transport or get others to do it.

Putting a brain in your head is no-one elses responsibility.

It's quite easy to get on your high horse when you think you know everything, but there are people on this forum who are starting off in business, and some who may be dealing with the Far East for the first time. I suggest you go and be big and clever somewhere else. As you have nothing to add of value, you might as well go on the ignore list.

 

[Clinton]

Sorry, but that's patently not true, as many members of this forum will attest. As Clinton asserts, it is far from uncommon for exporters in the Far East to quote low CIF rates and then recover the money from the UK agent, who will charge exorbitant handover fees.

My interest was caught initially when a poster said, in reply to my claim of a £135 UK price, that they could do the product at £98 + shipping (which was later confirmed at £10 p/u making the total price £108). £108 vs £135 was the proposition.

As it turns out it won't be that price or anywhere near that price and would involve me importing the goods myself and taking a chance on all the charges I'd be liable for (in addition to the only charge declared up to that point i.e. the £10 delivery). I would be liable for duty and forwarding ...and others. I would also have to buy in larger quantities.

I apologise if my posts came across as frustrated / annoyed, but there's no deal to be had here and I should have stayed out instead of getting into an argument. So, My Office In China, as I said earlier, you may be legit. However, your initial claim of £98 + shipping turns out to be less than the full picture or, at the very least, not comparable to what I can go out and buy in the UK, so shall wish you all the best and bow out now.

 

[MOIC]

My interest was caught initially when a poster said, in reply to my claim of a £135 UK price, that they could do the product at £98 + shipping (which was later confirmed at £10 p/u making the total price £108). £108 vs £135 was the proposition.

As it turns out it won't be that price or anywhere near that price and would involve me importing the goods myself and taking a chance on all the charges I'd be liable for (in addition to the only charge declared up to that point i.e. the £10 delivery). I would be liable for duty and forwarding ...and others.

Totally not true.

I have stated very clearly and repeat in case you didn't understand the first time:

Cost of the scooter: £98

Shipping (based on 100pcs) including UK forwarding & delivery to your door: £10

Import Duty: (6%): £6.48

Total: £114.68

What exactly don't you understand?

I apologise if my posts came across as frustrated / annoyed, but there's no deal to be had here and I should have stayed out instead of getting into an argument

Your posts have came across as a novice to importing and not understanding what is involved, despite being told in very clear terms.

My Office In China, as I said earlier, you may be legit

Maybe?

Try telling that to the many high street brands we supply to, as well as 3 of the largest UK online groups. (Not to mention hundreds of others in the UK & globally)

However, your initial claim of £98 + shipping turns out to be less than the full picture or, at the very least, not comparable to what I can go out and buy in the UK, so shall wish you all the best and bow out now.

It's exactly the full picture.

As an importer you need to add the Import duty yourself, which my calculation shows the total cost to be £114.68 + VAT, as opposed to your quoted price of £135.00 + VAT(Which may well exclude delivery to your door).

Some further advice for you:

Ensure that the products meet with all UK and EU requirements and that the certificates have been verified.

Ensure the products stipulate the components inside and have been checked by a 3rd party.

Ensure you have a warranty

Ensure you have an after sales service with an English speaking person.

I wish you luck with your purchases.

 

[MOIC]

It's quite easy to get on your high horse when you think you know everything, but there are people on this forum who are starting off in business, and some who may be dealing with the Far East for the first time. I suggest you go and be big and clever somewhere else. As you have nothing to add of value, you might as well go on the ignore list.

When someone patently knows more than the poster, it's best for the poster not to argue, as they will lose the argument and get shown that they are a novice.

When someone has stated that the shipping price includes UK clearance and delivery to their door, they should understand that the items that need to be added are Import Duty & VAT, unless the terms are DDP.

It's best to take advice from someone who knows, instead of someone who thinks they know.

 

[Vectis]

Wow, what a lot of fuss over something you can only use on private land i.e. not on pavements, roads, shopping centres or anywhere in public.

 

[MOIC]

not on pavements, roads, shopping centres or anywhere in public.

Makes you wonder for what reason they passed that legislation?

Joy killers.

 

[sirearl]

Makes you wonder for what reason they passed that legislation?

Joy killers.

It may have something to do with this.

 

[MOIC]

Great fun.

. . . . .But not one video of a self balance board!

I'm sure there are numerous videos of incidents on roller skates or skateboards, or even bikes.

(Let them start flowing . . . .)

It's not aimed at kids (although kids want them).

It's a case of being responsible and learning how to use them before starting.

 

[sirearl]

It's a case of being responsible and learning how to use them before starting.

We are talking about the human race here.

 

[MOIC]

We are talking about the human race here.

 

[Deleted member 226268]

What will happen to all those thousands of unsafe boards that have been impounded and seized by the customs ?

Pity to waste all those electric motors and electronics that would be fine when used for other purposes.


http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...losion-risk-product-recalls-trading-standards

 

[MOIC]

Hopefully crushed.

If it has no certification.

 

[Jaxon Jesse]

I am in the marketing field related to Segway self-balancing electric scooters. The brand captured 75% market for these types of products. I think this is one of the best brands.

 

[Mr D]

I am in the marketing field related to Segway self-balancing electric scooters. The brand captured 75% market for these types of products. I think this is one of the best brands.

Wow, Segway getting 75%. Would not have expected to be that high.
The number of teenagers and younger kids I see on non-Segways would suggest that there is considerable demand for other brands.