Knowing the mind of God

[cjd]

..and your answer to the second part is?

 

[hmmm]

i can only guess and say,
maybe he does still intervene, as the potential rapist has a choice of which voice within him he decides to listen to,the good or the bad.intervention is there, just as if he was in the flesh in the room talking to the guy.ultimately the man makes his own choice of what to do.

 

[Power_devolution]

Good and evil and God being all-powerful is a pradox only if you are a materialist - winition all non-believers are. But because you cannot believe you cannot believe the world is anything but 'caused' and so you have no understanding of free will as choice. Choice is not a preference but a commitment.

THe only way God can eliminate evil is to remove choice the substance out of which He Createrd the cosmos and so this would eliminate Creation. This is short. You will have to go to my web site for expansion of these points. Wre there join the Rational Exchange and learn to live in an economy that does not use money. Ot enables us to eliminate poverty, greed and most financial crime.

 

[MASSEY]

Well the last time god tried to mix with humans he had to impregnate himself immaculately in a random women for 9 months until he was human then wait until he was old enough to talk and old enough to be taken seriously by others. (as these nuts tell us).

By the time he would be able to stop the rape the rape would be over.

 

[Beachcomber]

Well the last time god tried to mix with humans he had to impregnate himself immaculately in a random women for 9 months until he was human then wait until he was old enough to talk and old enough to be taken seriously by others. (as these nuts tell us).

By the time he would be able to stop the rape the rape would be over.

Maybe he'd be the product of the rape - it's how he did it last time.

 

[josor]

 

[Beachcomber]

Good and evil and God being all-powerful is a pradox only if you are a materialist.............

Well done for being the only one to step up to try and cover this one, but I must admit, I'm surprised the regular faithful have not tried to answer the paradox?

 

[MASSEY]

This guy shares my sentiment entirely.

Building on Jim Coufal's "The Role of Fear and Guilt in Religion," it is a simple fact that the Bible does not prohibit blood transfusions. If you are bleeding to death, it is more dangerous to refuse a blood transfusion than to take one.


Bloodless surgeries are great if they can be elective. One-third of all trauma deaths are from blood loss.
Jehovah's Witnesses elders will investigate and disfellowship any Jehovah Witness who takes a blood transfusion; to say the issue is a 'personal conscience matter' is subterfuge to keep the Watchtower out of lawsuits.


Jehovah's Witnesses children die every year worldwide due to blood transfusion bans. Rank-and-file Jehovah's Witness are indoctrinated to be scared to death of blood.
For your information:


1) JWs do use many components of blood, so if it's 'sacred' to God, why the hypocritical contradiction flip-flop?
2) They use blood collections that are donated by Red Cross and others but don't donate back; more hypocrisy.
3) The Watchtower promotes and praises bloodless elective surgeries; this is a great advancement indeed, but it's no good to me if I am bleeding to death from a car crash and lose much of my blood volume and need emergency blood transfusion.


Remember the Jehovah's Witnesses use thousands and thousands of pints of blood donated by others. They use 60 percent of the blood volume as broken down components, then go on Bible-thumping rants about how dangerous and sinful blood transfusions are.


JW do allow organ transplants, which have more risk than whole blood transfusions, so their arguments of disease transmission is bogus.
Watchtower society will not allow a Jehovah Witness follower to bank their own blood ahead of surgery, which is the best, cheapest, safest option.


The Watchtower's rules against blood transfusions will eventually be abolished (very gradually to reduce wrongful death lawsuit liability); even now most of the blood components are allowed.
Estimates of the number of men, women and children who have died since the Jehovah Witness blood ban inception in 1945 range between 150,000 and 250,000.


The creeping adapted creed adhered to by the JW in 2011 is based on legal liability to keep the Watchtower from being sued for wrongful deaths. They do not abstain from blood; they use all kinds of blood derivatives (that are donated by organizations like the Red Cross, which they don't support).
They are such hypocrites.
For more information on Jehovah Witness blood policy reform, visit ajwrb.org/basics/abstain.shtml.
Danny Haszard, Bangor, Maine

http://www.madisoncountycourier.com/2011/09/16/jehovahs-witnesses-blood-transfusion-confusion/

Bunch of mad men arent they

Oh look some jw reputation management ;

You don´t seem to know anything about JWs - but what i rather assume is that you are a big fat liar, a bit frustrated perhaps because you don´t have any friends ? or you need a lot of attention I guess….

The usual childish circular reason. Nothing short of retarded.

 

[josor]

This guy shares my sentiment entirely.

Bunch of mad men arent they

Oh look some jw reputation management ;

The usual childish circular reason. Nothing short of retarded.

Sure you have no connection with the JW's?

By your ramblings against them, seems to me your hiding a secret.

 

[cjd]

I see that the government is going to allow same sex marriages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14960357

On a similar theme a retired Catholic bishop in Ireland has Been in the press for saying maybe it's time to reconsider the celebacy rule for the priesthood.

It's always fascinated my why religions are so obsessed with controlling the sexual practices of their flocks. Very odd stuff.

 

[mobyme]

Probably because sex is more fun than sermons.

 

[papverpoppies]

Probably because sex is more fun than sermons.

There has been some funny ones on here (sermons that is)

Pops ~xx~

 

[MASSEY]

Sure you have no connection with the JW's?

By your ramblings against them, seems to me your hiding a secret.

Other than a friendship with one a few years ago no.

I ramble against all types of murderers, especially the organised murderers like jws.

 

[cjd]

Sing to the tune of "all things bright and beautiful"

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

Monty Python

 

[Power_devolution]

I think these arguments would progress further if you guys had a clue what you were talking about. I suppose you think you are scientists baseing arguments on assumptions, and coming to conclkusions without a shred of investigation. You all say the same things believe the same things and all of it on the basis of what others assume. And yes, I assumed these same stale arguments when I was an aethiest for fifty years. Unlike you I actually made an effort to prove my theories. I mean where in the Bible does it say anything about God raping Mary?

You can't even figure out that to eliminate evil God would have to eliminate you ... as a free agent if not as a live creature. Why not study DNA and how it works. It is information. How do you make new instructions from creating noise in the former set? Think about it.

 

[Power_devolution]

Well done for being the only one to step up to try and cover this one, but I must admit, I'm surprised the regular faithful have not tried to answer the paradox?

Re Good and evil
Unfortunately a lot of Christians are not actually Christians and so do not understand good and evil any better than an athiest. And I am sure the short explanation I give her will not be comprehended.
Good is choice or free will.
Choice requires things to choose and not choose ie reality.
Evil is the destruction of choice or the ability to choose, the possession of real things.
Polution is evil because it eliminates choices for future generations.
Stewardship or caring for the earth is good because it gives everyone more choices.
God cannot just destroy evil because evil is making wrong decisions and if He eliminated the ability to choose wrong he would eliminate the ability to chose which effectively means He would eliminate all existence.

If you noticed that good and evil actually have an economic aspect you are right. Belief in God forces one to adopt a different economics than the greed based Capitalist system.

Do a search on Google for Devolution Technologies if you need more information to understand this short piece.

 

[cjd]

I suppose you think you are scientists baseing arguments on assumptions, and coming to conclkusions without a shred of investigation.

Odd view of what science is and does; no wonder you have a problem with its concklusions.

 

[Power_devolution]

Odd view of what science is and does; no wonder you have a problem with its concklusions.

You need to read what is written . I said "I SUPPOSE YOU THINK YOU ARE SCIENTISTSTS...' I did not say you guys must be scientists. Its called sarcasm. Materialists always think they are scientifc simply because they mouth a lot of silly things about the Bible that are based on nothing but what they assume the Bible says. Somehow they think that hating God makes them seem objective.

 

[internetspaceships]

Don't be silly there is no link between the two.

What an utterly ridiculous post.

 

[cjd]

Materialists always think they are scientifc simply because they mouth a lot of silly things about the Bible that are based on nothing but what they assume the Bible says. Somehow they think that hating God makes them seem objective.

You know, somehow I don't think SCIENTISTSTS spend much time worrying about what the bible says. Generally, it's not much help to a physicist or microbiologist.

 

[Podge]

Don't be silly there is no link between the two.

What an utterly ridiculous post.

Double standards methinks given your sig.

 

[internetspaceships]

Not at all Podge I was commenting on the content of the post not his opinion.

Also where did I insult him?

 

[Podge]

Maybe I'm just too sensitive.

 

[Beachcomber]

God cannot just destroy evil because evil is making wrong decisions and if He eliminated the ability to choose wrong he would eliminate the ability to chose which effectively means He would eliminate all existence.

Tripe.

Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that there are only ever choices between good and evil?

What about choices where each option is to do good - you just need to choose which you do - if I were to have a spare £5 and had to choose whether to give it to water aid or oxfam, which of those is the 'evil' choice?

It would be entirely possible for any god to eradicate evil without removing any aspect of free will or choice.

 

[cjd]

Frank Skinner (born again catholic) and the archbishop of Canterbury do an embarassing gig.

http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.o...ishop-rowan-and-frank-skinner-in-conversation

 

[Jonah2012]

We have a line in the UK .. it's like tell me something i don't know. When a person comes up to you and mentions a thing or two and then you say. Yeah that's because ......... and you tell them about the whole episide, they look at you and say, 'how did you know' and you say 'I have already be there.'

Like Dajavu, you think you have been there but your not sure, then there the negative effect when someone mentions to you well if you have already been there abd can't remember then who to say that you were a good person at that time.

I would mention that If were a bad person i would not be here right now.

God has a wonderful way of confusing us.

 

[cjd]

God has a wonderful way of confusing us.

He's certainly doing a miraculous job on you.

 

[MASSEY]

You need to read what is written . I said "I SUPPOSE YOU THINK YOU ARE SCIENTISTSTS...' I did not say you guys must be scientists. Its called sarcasm. Materialists always think they are scientifc simply because they mouth a lot of silly things about the Bible that are based on nothing but what they assume the Bible says. Somehow they think that hating God makes them seem objective.

You are doing the exact same thing jehovah witnesses do. Why do you think ranting nonsense will make people listen to you.

"Materialists always think they are scientific simply because they mouth a lot of silly things about the bible that are based on nothing but what they assume the bible says"

This is a prime example. I very much doubt you will convert anyone with reasoning like that.

One thing i find funny about this thread is all the religious currently taking part don't agree with each other.

4 "Christians" here do not agree with each other and they think they'll stand a chance here of making headway.

Dce, consistency, parthelan, power devolution -- All christians all think each other is an idiot outside the truth

 

[Beachcomber]

This is a prime example. I very much doubt you will convert anyone with reasoning like that.

To repeat a quote I posted in another thread, I heard a great line from an ex-JW - it went something like:

"You'll never be able to use reason to convince people out of a position they didn't use reason to get in to"

 

[Parthelan]

God has a wonderful way of confusing us.

Hey, dont sell yourself short ....... you're doing a great job too

 

[Parthelan]

Dce, consistency, parthelan, power devolution -- All christians all think each other is an idiot outside the truth

OI !!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last time ... I KNOW the truth ... the others are just wannabes

 

[Parthelan]

Do a search on Google for Devolution Technologies if you need more information to understand this short piece.

I just did, and to be honest, you make the rantings on the Jehovah Witness site sound like Ph.D material .....

 

[Parthelan]

Probably because sex is more fun than sermons.

 

[Jonah2012]

You are doing the exact same thing jehovah witnesses do >>> a transfusion

 

[Parthelan]

You are doing the exact same thing jehovah witnesses do >>> a transfusion

Fess up ... are you DCE's handler

 

[Beachcomber]

Where has DCE got to?

I was waiting to see what he made of the paradox posted a while back.

 

[Parthelan]

Where has DCE got to?

I was waiting to see what he made of the paradox posted a while back.

What paradox????

 

[Beachcomber]

What paradox????

Take a look at post # 15360

 

[Parthelan]

Take a look at post # 15360

Ah, a variation on the why does God allow evil scenario ....

Let's for arguements sake, just assume there is an all powerful all seeing all good God ... do YOU think he should intervene????

And if the answer is yes, where should He draw the line, or should he draw the line at all ... for example, should He intervene in the case you describe, a sexual crime, but NOT intervene to stop a producer of pornography, which COULD possibly lead to a sex crime in the future??? Should He intervene to stop women and men getting involved in the porn industry, giving the producers of porn the material to work with, which MIGHT lead someone to go on to commit a sexual crime somehwere down the line???
Or should He always stop every bad thing happening to everyone, all the time???? And anything that one might do that might lead, even unknowingly, to a bad thing???

You might want Him to stop your car being stolen, but should He then stop you from helping yourself to a few pens and a few writing pads from your employers stationary cupboard - after all, it's only a few pens??? Or would that be ok for Him to ignore???

 

[MASSEY]

I don't like the way dce just sits on the forum and only reads this thread like he is plotting away in a world of his own.