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[devilmaycry]

When you two blast past me in your Nissans I probably won't even notice!

Yeah, because we will be going too quick for you to even notice!!!

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

If money was no object, I probably would have the big TT (lol), as it does look a lot nicer. But that said, if money was no object I would have both, as the GTR is a lot of fun.

And the Nissan is hardly 'bad' build quality. I do know that there is a lot better, but I'm not talking in terms of being compared to somerthing else/more expensive.

Have you actually driven one? I'd liken it to Impezas and Evos, fast, capable, dull as dishwater.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Yeah, because we will be going too quick for you to even notice!!!

Could be the reason.
More likely my eyes automatically block out GTRs as they are so ugly I can't stand the trauma!

 

[devilmaycry]

I have driven a GTR, but I haven't driven an R8. I was saying that I would an R8 over a GTR purely on looks, as it is a very sexy car.

 

[movietub]

Ok, enough car battles

As trading post pointed out, he's gunna drive the car he likes. We really can't argue with that!

I can't honestly see myself buying anything other than the GTR for one simple reason. I will be able to afford the GTR a long time before I can afford anything else thats in the same league.

If it doesn't quench my thirst and I want a better badge, I probably would move onto the porsche or audi at some point. Arguably not as brilliant as the GTR, but I do also like to pose. Sad, but true.

 

[devilmaycry]

Ok, enough car battles

As trading post pointed out, he's gunna drive the car he likes. We really can't argue with that!

I can't honestly see myself buying anything other than the GTR for one simple reason. I will be able to afford the GTR a long time before I can afford anything else thats in the same league.

If it doesn't quench my thirst and I want a better badge, I probably would move onto the porsche or audi at some point. Arguably not as brilliant as the GTR, but I do also like to pose. Sad, but true.

I concur

 

[movietub]

Have you actually driven one? I'd liken it to Impezas and Evos, fast, capable, dull as dishwater.

Nothing like the rally cars! And yes, I have driven the GTR and the impreza. The GTR realy does feel like it's on rails. You point and choose your speed, the car does it. The grip is astonishing, you would not believe it was possible for a few square inches of rubber to cling on so well.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Nothing like the rally cars! And yes, I have driven the GTR and the impreza. The GTR realy does feel like it's on rails. You point and choose your speed, the car does it. The grip is astonishing, you would not believe it was possible for a few square inches of rubber to cling on so well.

Exactly like them. Dull grey plastic all around, cheap feeling, fast, boring.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Let's pretend the GTR is dead, what else would you buy?

 

[movietub]

Exactly like them. Dull grey plastic all around, cheap feeling, fast, boring.

Now you're talking nonesense

GTR is a quality product. Look at the old R34 GTR Skylines, they all look like new, they all still have it.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Now you're talking nonesense

GTR is a quality product. Look at the old R34 GTR Skylines, they all look like new, they all still have it.

Nope. Boy racer tat.

 

[movietub]

Let's pretend the GTR is dead, what else would you buy?

Probably a GT3! It's probably the best value in the 911 range and was the clear choice before the GTR, and in some peoples view the R8.

I'm also a vtec fan, so the S2000 is one of my favorite cars - but thats not really in the same club.

I went out with an Aston engineer in the new prototype DBS v12. That was a lovely motor, but really not punch in the stomach fast. When I'm mature, I would like one though.

 

[movietub]

Nope. Boy racer tat.

Just give it up! No amount of snobbery will change the fact that these are performance cars, and the Nissans perform better for less.

And as a former boy racer, I used to enjoy nothing more than embarassing someone who had underestimated whatever bit of tat I happened to be in at the time.

Right up until the famous CRX vs boxter roundabout 'incident'...

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Probably a GT3! It's probably the best value in the 911 range and was the clear choice before the GTR, and in some peoples view the R8.

I'm also a vtec fan, so the S2000 is one of my favorite cars - but thats not really in the same club.

I went out with an Aston engineer in the new prototype DBS v12. That was a lovely motor, but really not punch in the stomach fast. When I'm mature, I would like one though.

Dunno, the GTS looks worth a drive.

Vantage V12 is fabulous (apart from the gearknob)

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Just give it up! No amount of snobbery will change the fact that these are performance cars, and the Nissans perform better for less.

And as a former boy racer, I used to enjoy nothing more than embarassing someone who had underestimated whatever bit of tat I happened to be in at the time.

Right up until the famous CRX vs boxter roundabout 'incident'...

I dunno, sounds like saying 'former' might be a little premature.
You know it could be the person you thought you were embarrassing didn't even know they were in a race!

I agree they are very fast cars, I just don't want one myself. I'm not all that precious about the numbers, a few tenths here and there doesn't matter to me, there is more to it for me.

 

[OptiRick]

I drive a 130hp diesel Passat, Grrrr, Grrrr!

That's just not going to cut it in this thread is it?

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

I drive a 130hp diesel Passat, Grrrr, Grrrr!

That's just not going to cut it in this thread is it?

Psh, I will talk all day long about any car. Tell me the plus points?

 

[movietub]

I drive a 130hp diesel Passat, Grrrr, Grrrr!

That's just not going to cut it in this thread is it?

Yea all cars are fair game...

So what in your view are the plus points? The press always slate the passat for being dull, but ther must be something that made you want one!

 

[OptiRick]

The mechanic I use was sick to the back teeth of me buying Fiats!
After 2 Multiplas he almost demanded I buy a Passat with a PD engine.

Fair play to it, it is mega comfy, loads of space, 30+ mpg around town but when necessary I can spin the wheels in second gear.

I have heard others complain they are a dull drive but it delivers everything I ask of it, and i'm not a boy racer but neither am I a conservative driver. In fact when we first got it I found it a little hard to rein in in lower gears.

I'd certainly get another and in fact quite fancy the 150hp diesel version next time.

 

The mechanic I use was sick to the back teeth of me buying Fiats!
After 2 Multiplas he almost demanded I buy a Passat with a PD engine.

Fair play to it, it is mega comfy, loads of space, 30+ mpg around town but when necessary I can spin the wheels in second gear.

I have heard others complain they are a dull drive but it delivers everything I ask of it, and i'm not a boy racer but neither am I a conservative driver. In fact when we first got it I found it a little hard to rein in in lower gears.

I'd certainly get another and in fact quite fancy the 150hp diesel version next time.

Plus its a proper car unlike most of the skateboards with wheels that have been mentioned.

Try taking any of them over a bump or for a little spin in the snow.

Earl

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Plus its a proper car unlike most of the skateboards with wheels that have been mentioned.

Try taking any of them over a bump or for a little spin in the snow.

Earl

A skateboard with wheels...... you mean a skateboard?

I would think a GTR would be just fine in the snow. I still wouldn't want one of the ugly fatties though.

 

[movietub]

The mechanic I use was sick to the back teeth of me buying Fiats!
After 2 Multiplas he almost demanded I buy a Passat with a PD engine.

Fair play to it, it is mega comfy, loads of space, 30+ mpg around town but when necessary I can spin the wheels in second gear.

I have heard others complain they are a dull drive but it delivers everything I ask of it, and i'm not a boy racer but neither am I a conservative driver. In fact when we first got it I found it a little hard to rein in in lower gears.

I'd certainly get another and in fact quite fancy the 150hp diesel version next time.

Definately a good car, just dull to sit inside!

Next time go for the Accord 2.2 tdci or the Mazda 6. Same thing, similar price, much more equipment inside and out and every bit as comfortable and reliable.

In my experience Jap normally outdoes German overall, but people buy German because they think it's more solid and reliable. The stats however show that the Jap equivilants are way more reliable.

At least you ditched the Fiat - Your mechanic must be a little poorer these days...

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Definately a good car, just dull to sit inside!

Next time go for the Accord 2.2 tdci or the Mazda 6. Same thing, similar price, much more equipment inside and out and every bit as comfortable and reliable.

In my experience Jap normally outdoes German overall, but people buy German because they think it's more solid and reliable. The stats however show that the Jap equivilants are way more reliable.

At least you ditched the Fiat - Your mechanic must be a little poorer these days...

Lets see these stats.

 

[movietub]

Lets see these stats.

10 second Google later...

What Car? 10 most reliable manufacturers:
1. Honda
2. Subaru
3. Mitsubishi
4. Lexus
5. Toyota
6. Mazda
7. Nissan
8. Skoda
9. Kia
10. Mini



Full article: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/most-reliable-cars


So there

EDIT: Just noticed this nugget!!!!!

"The most expensive make of car to repair was Porsche, at an average cost of £717.36 followed by Mazda at £481.26. Lowest average repair costs was Renault, at £226.54. "

lol

 

[movietub]

HAHA!!!!

Passat at 50th place, Accord at 5th!

German cars have never ever beaten the Japs when it comes to reliability! People often claim German cars are cheaper to repair, sure, but only marginally really. Not much use when they break twice as often.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

I'm quite amazed that Audi is 25th.

 

[movietub]

I'm quite amazed that Audi is 25th.

Really? Think of it this way:

How many 15 year old German cars do you see knocking around, and how many 15 year old Jap cars... The German stuff doesn't have the same lifespan - generally speaking.

In my experience German cars are indeed very solid, and 20 years later they still feel very solid. They just don't run very well anymore

Most old BMW's and Merc's are a very sorry state, most Nissan bluebird still look and run like they did when new - albeit they tend to have a box of tissues installed on the rear parcel shelf these days.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Can't think of a car Id like to own from the top 9 marques. Maybe I just like walking?

 

[movietub]

Can't think of a car Id like to own from the top 9 marques. Maybe I just like walking?

To be fair, I don't imagine either of us want to own the sort of cars that would be particularly reliable in everyday terms.

If you're an out of the closet petrol head, you sort of have to accept that you will see the AA more than the average person.

Still, at least mostly reliable sportscars exist these days.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Really? Think of it this way:

How many 15 year old German cars do you see knocking around

Absolutely loads:|:|:|

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

To be fair, I don't imagine either of us want to own the sort of cars that would be particularly reliable in everyday terms.

If you're an out of the closet petrol head, you sort of have to accept that you will see the AA more than the average person.

Still, at least mostly reliable sportscars exist these days.

Ive had no problems at all - proper maintenance prevents any major problems.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Really? Think of it this way:

How many 15 year old German cars do you see knocking around, and how many 15 year old Jap cars... The German stuff doesn't have the same lifespan - generally speaking.

In my experience German cars are indeed very solid, and 20 years later they still feel very solid. They just don't run very well anymore

Most old BMW's and Merc's are a very sorry state, most Nissan bluebird still look and run like they did when new - albeit they tend to have a box of tissues installed on the rear parcel shelf these days.

I guess it's just the image they portray. You could ask almost everyone and they would associate Audi with being a reliable and solid build. I wouldn't necessarily expect them to be incredibly reliable and better than Japanese cars, but I certainly wouldn't expect them to be one of the worst.

Then again, you can't take that article as complete truth. Different people with different driving habits will buy different cars. For example, if a lot of people buy Land Rovers for rugged off-road use, then they're more likely to break and influence the statistics. However, in casual road use, they may be just as reliable as one of the higher ranked manufacturers. Who knows.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

I guess it's just the image they portray. You could ask almost everyone and they would associate Audi with being a reliable and solid build. I wouldn't necessarily expect them to be incredibly reliable and better than Japanese cars, but I certainly wouldn't expect them to be one of the worst.

Then again, you can't take that article as complete truth. Different people with different driving habits will buy different cars. For example, if a lot of people buy Land Rovers for rugged off-road use, then they're more likely to break and influence the statistics. However, in casual road use, they may be just as reliable as one of the higher ranked manufacturers. Who knows.

And of course a certain type of person responds to such surveys...

 

"The most expensive make of car to repair was Porsche, at an average cost of £717.36 followed by Mazda at £481.26. Lowest average repair costs was Renault, at £226.54. "

lol

now it just so happen we can cut the cost of Porsche motoring.

http://www.volkswagenspares.com/page.php?page=Porsche+911+engine++building

Earl

 

[movietub]

I guess it's just the image they portray. You could ask almost everyone and they would associate Audi with being a reliable and solid build. I wouldn't necessarily expect them to be incredibly reliable and better than Japanese cars, but I certainly wouldn't expect them to be one of the worst.

Then again, you can't take that article as complete truth. Different people with different driving habits will buy different cars. For example, if a lot of people buy Land Rovers for rugged off-road use, then they're more likely to break and influence the statistics. However, in casual road use, they may be just as reliable as one of the higher ranked manufacturers. Who knows.

That may sway the results a little. But that was just the first article I found when asked. For as long as I have been in to cars I have read articles that conclude the same way.

I'm not a fan of stats in general, but I very much doubt you will find any evidence to suggest German cars are more reliable than Jap cars.

Even without the stats the Jap stuff should be more reliable. The volume is huge, the discipline in the factory is world class, the technical excellence of the people is world leading.

All these reliability margins are slim though. All cars are reliable these days in comparison to 10 years ago. You hardly ever hear a car struggling to start these days.

My point was that people naturally gravitate to German cars because of reliability, but there is no evidence that they are the most reliable.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

now it just so happen we can cut the cost of Porsche motoring.

http://www.volkswagenspares.com/page.php?page=Porsche+911+engine++building

Earl

How? Ive only ever needed new disks and pads and they were free from my OPC.

 

If you're an out of the closet petrol head, you sort of have to accept that you will see the AA more than the average person.

Not to mention the A&E or worse.

Earl

 

[movietub]

Not to mention the A&E or worse.

Earl

What is worse than A&E as an entry point to hospital? I suppose going direct to the morgue in a doggy bag would be pretty bad.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

That may sway the results a little. But that was just the first article I found when asked. For as long as I have been in to cars I have read articles that conclude the same way.

I'm not a fan of stats in general, but I very much doubt you will find any evidence to suggest German cars are more reliable than Jap cars.

Even without the stats the Jap stuff should be more reliable. The volume is huge, the discipline in the factory is world class, the technical excellence of the people is world leading.

All these reliability margins are slim though. All cars are reliable these days in comparison to 10 years ago. You hardly ever hear a car struggling to start these days.

My point was that people naturally gravitate to German cars because of reliability, but there is no evidence that they are the most reliable.

So you quoted stats and THEN found a supporting article?
Im surprised the costs quoted aren't higher to be honest, for all marques. Modern cars are pretty reliable but parts and labour costs are reasonably high these days when they do go wrong.

 

[movietub]

Ive had no problems at all - proper maintenance prevents any major problems.

It 'helps' prevent any major problems. You can properly maintain cars all you like, the most reliable car will still have less problems.

Proper maintenance won't help a jot if a piston cracks due to a tiny flaw when it was cast.