Friends dads a millionaire

[oldeagleeye]

I can't see this frienship lasting long OP because you seem so jealous of your friend although you probably wouldn't admit it.

If Iwere you then I would ask myself one simple qusetion. Is this a genuine friendship that you can feel comfortable with.

You obviously dislike the guys well spoken father and I suspect his mother is the same. Do they or indeed you friend treat you personally as inferior because you not as wealthy.

Does you mate act flashy insisting he pays for everything on a night out or does he take the trouble to consider your budget. Friendship is all about give and take and balance. I remember there were a small group of us when I was a teenager

One guy Michael dad bought him a ford escort for his birthday. My or the other parents certainly couldn't afford such generousity. What we could do howeverwas balance the books. I would buy the petrol. Stan's older bro was a dorman at the Tottenham Royal and got us in free and David bought the drinks.

Our parents wealth or lack of it didn't come into it. We had transport and could afford to party.

Why should your friends parents wealth have anything to do with you then. As for this house. How do you know it is not just a token gesture and more to do with tax planning & inheritance tax and of course no capital gains tax on this 2nd property if it is in your friends name.

I go back to the bottom line then. It is for you to decide how comfortable you feel in your relationship with your friend. It has nothing to do with you how the chaps parents spend their money let alone slag the father off for being well spoken.

A bit sad that as is I think coming to a business forum full of strangers when you should really be discussing these sort of issues with your friend.

Rob

 

[MikeJ]

The friend, bentley and house don't exist.

 

[devilmaycry]

I am so suprised that this thread has had so much interest. I am also suprised that I had the patience to read it!! Must be the 2ft of snow outside and nothing else to do!

It was far more interesting reading about cars!!

@Movietub. Pleased to hear that you're a petrol head. I agree that it is the greatest hobby a person could have. Just bought a 182 Clio Sport for use on a track. I drive a Cayman ordinarily, but I have always loved Clio Sports, don't know why!

 

[Consistency]

The original poster and the rich kid are probably the same person if of course the rich kid exists at all.

I stll think there is relevancy in the thread as it raises issues about worth, pride, values etc.

It could even be that the the original poster has walked past someone who he has heard from someone who has heard from someone else who heard it from their neighbour who heard it from the coffee shop user that he was a rich kid and so considers he knows them!

 

I can't see this frienship lasting long OP because you seem so jealous of your friend although you probably wouldn't admit it.

If Iwere you then I would ask myself one simple qusetion. Is this a genuine friendship that you can feel comfortable with.

You obviously dislike the guys well spoken father and I suspect his mother is the same. Do they or indeed you friend treat you personally as inferior because you not as wealthy.

Does you mate act flashy insisting he pays for everything on a night out or does he take the trouble to consider your budget. Friendship is all about give and take and balance. I remember there were a small group of us when I was a teenager

One guy Michael dad bought him a ford escort for his birthday. My or the other parents certainly couldn't afford such generousity. What we could do howeverwas balance the books. I would buy the petrol. Stan's older bro was a dorman at the Tottenham Royal and got us in free and David bought the drinks.

Our parents wealth or lack of it didn't come into it. We had transport and could afford to party.

Why should your friends parents wealth have anything to do with you then. As for this house. How do you know it is not just a token gesture and more to do with tax planning & inheritance tax and of course no capital gains tax on this 2nd property if it is in your friends name.

I go back to the bottom line then. It is for you to decide how comfortable you feel in your relationship with your friend. It has nothing to do with you how the chaps parents spend their money let alone slag the father off for being well spoken.

A bit sad that as is I think coming to a business forum full of strangers when you should really be discussing these sort of issues with your friend.

Rob

I suspect you are confusing jealousy with envy.

Bertie Russel had a few words on Envy.

"Although envy is generally seen as something negative, Russell also believed that envy was a driving force behind the movement towards democracy and must be endured to achieve a more just social system"

Earl

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

I am so suprised that this thread has had so much interest. I am also suprised that I had the patience to read it!! Must be the 2ft of snow outside and nothing else to do!

It was far more interesting reading about cars!!

@Movietub. Pleased to hear that you're a petrol head. I agree that it is the greatest hobby a person could have. Just bought a 182 Clio Sport for use on a track. I drive a Cayman ordinarily, but I have always loved Clio Sports, don't know why!

I used to have a Cayman, what model is it? Good cars.
What track are you closest to? Any plans to take the 182 to Oulton Park?

 

[movietub]

It was far more interesting reading about cars!!

@Movietub. Pleased to hear that you're a petrol head. I agree that it is the greatest hobby a person could have. Just bought a 182 Clio Sport for use on a track. I drive a Cayman ordinarily, but I have always loved Clio Sports, don't know why!

I did a job for a guy that took his 911 to track days, I went to watch one day and you wouldn't believe how tentative they all were - all terrified of dishing the cars!

Clio is a fantastic track car, as was the renault 5 before it. It's the sort of thing you don't mind risking, and can therfore actually race!

Also good that such cars have their own amatuer cups, so you can compete on driver skill, all in the same cars with propper rules. As opposed to run what your brung where 911's race 2cv's...

 

[devilmaycry]

It is the 2.7l. I am disappointed that I couldn't get the 's' but I still love it. I upgraded from the new shape Civic Type R which was great but literally drank fuel!!!

The nearest track to me is Llandow. It is okay, but I would love to do some track days at other tracks around the country.

Movietub, that is exactly why I got the Clio. I've had a 182 and a 172 in the past few years and have always loved them. But now it is purely for the track it is going to get the full force of my right foot!!

 

[ava_camen]

its never right to spoil your children cause they will never know the importance of money and how hard it is to earn it.

 

[devilmaycry]

I used to have a Cayman, what model is it? Good cars.
What track are you closest to? Any plans to take the 182 to Oulton Park?

Would you recommend Oulton Park?

@movietub, I have seen a 172 take a Porsche on a track purely because the guy was so scared to total it.

I would also LOVE to go on a trip to the nurburgring!

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Would you recommend Oulton Park?

@movietub, I have seen a 172 take a Porsche on a track purely because the guy was so scared to total it.

I would also LOVE to go on a trip to the nurburgring!

Mine was the S but the main stand out feature of the Cayman is the handling and balance which is the same regardless of model. Is it manual or tip?

Oulton Park is a very good circuit, good mixture of longish straights and fast corners. It's only 45 mins from me.

 

[devilmaycry]

Mine was the S but the main stand out feature of the Cayman is the handling and balance which is the same regardless of model. Is it manual or tip?

Oulton Park is a very good circuit, good mixture of longish straights and fast corners. It's only 45 mins from me.

It is the manual. And totally agree about the handling! TBH, I love the handling on cars more than straight line speed (and I love speed)!!

I am really hoping to get a Nissan GTR next. My bro thinks I'm dreaming (because of my age), which really frustrates me. He is a bike fan and we have endless arguments about whether cars or bikes are better lol! But him saying that is kind of relevant to this thread, as people are definately don't celebrate doing well in this country!

 

[Drpepper]

But him saying that is kind of relevant to this thread, as people are definately jealous in this country!

I don't get why you think anyone would be jealous of a car, you didn't design it or build it you simply purchased it and drive it. Sure be pleased with your purchase and enjoy it, but really don't kid yourself that people are jealous of something you simply paid money for. Those looks that people give you are not one of envy, they may possibly like the piece of metal around you, they may equally be thinking the driver is a total prat, chances are they are not even looking at you at all

 

I don't get why you think anyone would be jealous of a car, you didn't design it or build it you simply purchased it and drive it. Sure be pleased with your purchase and enjoy it, but really don't kid yourself that people are jealous of something you simply paid money for. Those looks that people give you are not one of envy, they may possibly like the piece of metal around you, they may equally be thinking the driver is a total prat, chances are they are not even looking at you at all

To right probably looking at the piece of meat in the passeger seat to see what you are having for lunch.:|


Wife has a clio frightens the bleeding life out of me.

Earl

 

[Drpepper]

To right probably looking at the piece of meat in the passeger seat to see what you are having for lunch.:|


Wife has a clio frightens the bleeding life out of me.

Earl

METAL not meat

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

It is the manual. And totally agree about the handling! TBH, I love the handling on cars more than straight line speed (and I love speed)!!

I am really hoping to get a Nissan GTR next. My bro thinks I'm dreaming (because of my age), which really frustrates me. He is a bike fan and we have endless arguments about whether cars or bikes are better lol! But him saying that is kind of relevant to this thread, as people are definately don't celebrate doing well in this country!

Nooooooooo not another one - Im not a fan of the GTR.

 

[devilmaycry]

I don't get why you think anyone would be jealous of a car, you didn't design it or build it you simply purchased it and drive it. Sure be pleased with your purchase and enjoy it, but really don't kid yourself that people are jealous of something you simply paid money for. Those looks that people give you are not one of envy, they may possibly like the piece of metal around you, they may equally be thinking the driver is a total prat, chances are they are not even looking at you at all

It is nothing to do with the car. It is the ability to buy it.

And people don't give me any looks. Equally, I don't want any looks from people. I keep myself to myself and I like it that way. But I am a car fan that likes, what in my opinion, are awesome cars. I couldn't give a toss what impression that gives to Joe Bloggs. But it matters when a close family member has a problem with it. I still maintain that people, generally, don't like or celebrate success.

 

[devilmaycry]

Nooooooooo not another one - Im not a fan of the GTR.

LOL, sorry.

I also love Audi R8's. Is that a better choice? However, It will be a few years more hard work before I can contemplate buying one.

 

[movietub]

LOL, sorry.

I also love Audi R8's. Is that a better choice? However, It will be a few years more hard work before I can contemplate buying one.

No! Look at the Nurburgring lap times, clearly the GTR is the better car. The great thing about Nurburgring is that it's as close to a real world test of speed as is possible to get.

Granted more young ladies are likely to swoon in the presence of the R8, but it's not as if the GTR won't drop a few drawers

To be fair I understand why porsche fans dislike the GTR, it has no soul. They perfer cars that descended from Hitler

But please don't save up for the R8, just to have me show you up on a b road, in a GTR, with a spare 30k in my back pocket.

Soul and nazi heritage is great, but either you want mechanical supremecy and change out of 100k or you don't!?

 

[devilmaycry]

but really don't kid yourself that people are jealous of something you simply paid money for.

Sorry, but you're very wrong!! I know for a fact that two of my family members have a massive problem with me having the means to buy a nice car.

And I wouldn't assume that Joe Bloggs is jealous of a car. As I said in a previous post they don't know me and I don't know them.

 

[Christine Hough]

Hello do you think this is wrong..? would you do this..

My mate is 23 hes dads a multi millionaire. I was going to say do you think this is right at the mo he is currently having a house built from scratch what costs around 1 million. I was going to ask do you think its wrong to give your son that much money for a house, he also owns a bentley etc has no worries in life do you find thats wrong to give all your kids that.
I was going to say it seems wrong alot of people work day in day out and he comes along and gets everything he wants spoon fed like anything from any pick of car he wants and as much money as he wants off him

Parents are the one of the most important and precious gifts we have. Whether they pass on their love of music, sporting skills, belief in us or more material riches.

It is also one of the most important things in my life to benefit my children. I cannot help everyone but if I take responsibility for those I have to care for, it spills over to help others and equip them to help others. Helping your children to help others may indeed be one way of giving them a good outlook for the future and starting a 'helping' ball to roll.

It's not what we have been given in life, its how we use it. There was a time when I was embarrassed to receive more than what I thought of as a basic requirement. As a result I had little to share with others and little joy. Now, I still don't have a lot materially like your example, but I do enjoy what I have, and recieve gifts appropriately. And tonight I am off to help in a concert for the homeless where they will also be given food parcels.

 

There was a time when I was embarrassed to receive more than what I thought of as a basic requirement. As a result I had little to share with others and little joy..

Did you inherit that little mental aberration from you're parents.

Earl

 

[devilmaycry]

No! Look at the Nurburgring lap times, clearly the GTR is the better car. The great thing about Nurburgring is that it's as close to a real world test of speed as is possible to get.

Granted more young ladies are likely to swoon in the presence of the R8, but it's not as if the GTR won't drop a few drawers

To be fair I understand why porsche fans dislike the GTR, it has no soul. They perfer cars that descended from Hitler

But please don't save up for the R8, just to have me show you up on a b road, in a GTR, with a spare 30k in my back pocket.

Soul and nazi heritage is great, but either you want mechanical supremecy and change out of 100k or you don't!?

All good points. I have found a used GTR for a little over £40k, which is a brilliant price for the amount of car. I am also a big gadget fan so the interior makes me dribble.

My brother (the bike fan - Boo!), said he had a 'play' with a GTR and even he had to admit how good it was. Admittedly it was the R35, but he was on a Ninja ZX10-r which is rapid in itself. Also, he said that he found it easy to pull away from an R8, but found it impossible to shake the GTR. I do appreciate that the skill of the two drivers, as well as my brother's riding skill comes into play, but it's still interesting.

Edit-And I do have to add again that I am not in the position yet to be able to afford an R8. Hopefully within 3 years, if all goes to plan, I could think about spending that sort of money on a car...

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

LOL, sorry.

I also love Audi R8's. Is that a better choice? However, It will be a few years more hard work before I can contemplate buying one.

I would pick an R8 over a GTR myself but the big TT isn't really on my shopping list.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

No! Look at the Nurburgring lap times, clearly the GTR is the better car. The great thing about Nurburgring is that it's as close to a real world test of speed as is possible to get.

Granted more young ladies are likely to swoon in the presence of the R8, but it's not as if the GTR won't drop a few drawers

To be fair I understand why porsche fans dislike the GTR, it has no soul. They perfer cars that descended from Hitler

But please don't save up for the R8, just to have me show you up on a b road, in a GTR, with a spare 30k in my back pocket.

Soul and nazi heritage is great, but either you want mechanical supremecy and change out of 100k or you don't!?

Lap times are not an indication of 'better' just faster.

I think that apart from the looks it is the boy racer image of the Nissan that I don't like.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

And I do have to add again that I am not in the position yet to be able to afford an R8. Hopefully within 3 years, if all goes to plan, I could think about spending that sort of money on a car...

You will get an early R8 for next to nothing by then.

 

[movietub]

All good points. I have found a used GTR for a little over £40k, which is a brilliant price for the amount of car. I am also a big gadget fan so the interior makes me dribble.

My brother (the bike fan - Boo!), said he had a 'play' with a GTR and even he had to admit how good it was. Admittedly it was the R35, but he was on a Ninja ZX10-r which is rapid in itself. Also, he said that he found it easy to pull away from an R8, but found it impossible to shake the GTR. I do appreciate that the skill of the two drivers, as well as my brother's riding skill comes into play, but it's still interesting.

Edit-And I do have to add again that I am not in the position yet to be able to afford an R8. Hopefully within 3 years, if all goes to plan, I could think about spending that sort of money on a car...

Just check the warranty with the GTR - you need the one that allows you to actually drive the car, irrespective of turning launch control on/off or playing with other advanced settings that automatically invalidate the Nissan waranty.

The R8 really is in a different league to the GTR. The GTR is the best that technology can make possible for the rel word. The R8 is the best that Audi are allowed to release without stepping on their Lambos toes. It can never be anthing other than a compromise - although they are very sexy!

 

[movietub]

Lap times are not an indication of 'better' just faster.

I think that apart from the looks it is the boy racer image of the Nissan that I don't like.

I think we have to both assume we are foccused purely on performance - since we started by talking about track cars!

There is no better test of all round performance than the nurbergring. It's not all about speed, it's about handling and the confidence the car the gives to the driver (which is probably the most underated aspect of performance).

The ring highlights it all.

The boy racer image can't be denied. But do you care most about what you look like? Or most about whether or not you bought the best car?

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

I think we have to both assume we are foccused purely on performance - since we started by talking about track cars!

There is no better test of all round performance than the nurbergring. It's not all about speed, it's about handling and the confidence the car the gives to the driver (which is probably the most underated aspect of performance).

The ring highlights it all.

The boy racer image can't be denied. But do you care most about what you look like? Or most about whether or not you bought the best car?

I would guess that the R8 is a better car than you are driver so performance is unlikely to be that much of an issue. As we have mentioned on this or the other 'car' thread for pure performance on a track the best option is something more focussed on the job.

I am not really concerned what other people think of whatever car I happen to be in, but I MYSELF don't like the GTR which is partly because of the people who aspire to them whilst cruising McDonalds car park on a Saturday night.

 

[movietub]

I would guess that the R8 is a better car than you are driver so performance is unlikely to be that much of an issue.

I see...

Most cars are probably capable of more than they are proven of. The way the car gives the driver confidence makes a huge difference. That's why the top racing driver are fearless, they are not limited by their own security. We however, as purely enthusiats, will slow down more than the cars technical abilities allow if the car doesn't make us feel confident.

Thats why I say the GTR, because it will corner harder and faster than the R8 whilst feeling less on the edge.

Specifically between the GTR and the R8, I'm not aware of any test in which the R8 has bettered the GTR, irrespective of who was driving, or their ability.

As we have mentioned on this or the other 'car' thread for pure performance on a track the best option is something more focussed on the job.

I am not really concerned what other people think of whatever car I happen to be in, but I MYSELF don't like the GTR which is partly because of the people who aspire to them whilst cruising McDonalds car park on a Saturday night.

It's true. Were I more concerned about image than performance, I too would ignore the GTR as clearly the better performer

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

I see...

Most cars are probably capable of more than they are proven of. The way the car gives the driver confidence makes a huge difference. That's why the top racing driver are fearless, they are not limited by their own security. We however, as purely enthusiats, will slow down more than the cars technical abilities allow if the car doesn't make us feel confident.

Thats why I say the GTR, because it will corner harder and faster than the R8 whilst feeling less on the edge.

Specifically between the GTR and the R8, I'm not aware of any test in which the R8 has bettered the GTR, irrespective of who was driving, or their ability.



It's true. Were I more concerned about image than performance, I too would ignore the GTR as clearly the better performer

Are there any tests which have put a GTR against an R8? I don't think I have seen any, but they are not really competing in the same market.
Don't think I am championing the R8 or trying to persuade you to buy one, I am not all that interested in the R8 either.
GTRs must be selling pretty well, there are a lot of them on the road.

 

[devilmaycry]

Just check the warranty with the GTR - you need the one that allows you to actually drive the car, irrespective of turning launch control on/off or playing with other advanced settings that automatically invalidate the Nissan waranty.

Thanks for the tip!!

 

[devilmaycry]

What are your dream cars Movietub and The Trading Post?

I also say that the GTR, irrespective of looks and image, is a better, quicker car. Yes, they are not aimed at the same people, but that isn't really the argument.

 

[devilmaycry]

The V10 R8 has done the Nurburgring in 7 mins 44 secs. The V8 model was 8 mins 04 secs.

The GTR quickest lap time was 7 mins 24 secs!!!!!

 

[movietub]

Don't think I am championing the R8 or trying to persuade you to buy one, I am not all that interested in the R8 either.
GTRs must be selling pretty well, there are a lot of them on the road.

The V10 R8 has done the Nurburgring in 7 mins 44 secs. The V8 model was 8 mins 04 secs.

The GTR quickest lap time was 7 mins 24 secs!!!!!

Yea the GTR's seem popular. It's not exactly an imaginive choice, nor am I a nissan fan. But for sub £50k it's a practical car that will not just out do it's peers, in the real world it is a full bloodied super car killer.

Thats the thing with the GTR, you can either give in and buy one, or stand proud and save up for something else. But you need to have spent a great deal of money before you take one on!

I have always been a fan of the skyline GTR series, they just made sense. Most serious motoring journalists could debate the 911 vs r8 debate for hours, each picking sides. But have you ever heard a journalist say have any opinion about the GTR other than 'wow'??

It's like an iPhone. It's the mass market solution to looking cool and going fast. It just works.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Quicker yes.
Better is not quite so clear cut as it can't be measured in numbers it is dependent on what you value.
The big TT looks prettier, sounds nicer, is a nicer place to sit and has better build quality.

If I were choosing between them I would buy the Audi. It doesn't upset me that you guys would both choose the Nissan though.

 

[movietub]

Quicker yes.
Better is not quite so clear cut as it can't be measured in numbers it is dependent on what you value.
The big TT looks prettier, sounds nicer, is a nicer place to sit and has better build quality.

If I were choosing between them I would buy the Audi. It doesn't upset me that you guys would both choose the Nissan though.

But thats where we come back to you currently running two sports cars!

You may as well have the GTR (or even harder sports car) for the fun, and swap the other sports for a properly well equipped nice place to sit like a range rover!

Truth is you bought the GT3, not as fast as the GTR, not as well equipped as the GTR, not as practical as the GTR. More expensive though, I'll give you that!

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Yea the GTR's seem popular. It's not exactly an imaginive choice, nor am I a nissan fan. But for sub £50k it's a practical car that will not just out do it's peers, in the real world it is a full bloodied super car killer.

Thats the thing with the GTR, you can either give in and buy one, or stand proud and save up for something else. But you need to have spent a great deal of money before you take one on!

I have always been a fan of the skyline GTR series, they just made sense. Most serious motoring journalists could debate the 911 vs r8 debate for hours, each picking sides. But have you ever heard a journalist say have any opinion about the GTR other than 'wow'??

It's like an iPhone. It's the mass market solution to looking cool and going fast. It just works.

Take one on? Not really my style.

It's not quite comparable with an iPhone, an iPhone looks attractive and is made from good quality materials.

 

[Lee Jones Jnr]

But thats where we come back to you currently running two sports cars!

You may as well have the GTR (or even harder sports car) for the fun, and swap the other sports for a properly well equipped nice place to sit like a range rover!

Truth is you bought the GT3, not as fast as the GTR, not as well equipped as the GTR, not as practical as the GTR. More expensive though, I'll give you that!

Correct, neither car is as practical, well equipped etc etc but I enjoy them both immensely and I wouldn't enjoy the Nissan. I have a new car coming next year which I imagine will post quicker laps than the Nissan, but even if it doesn't I won't care, it will still be fast, pretty, well built and I will enjoy it. When you two blast past me in your Nissans I probably won't even notice!

 

[devilmaycry]

If I were choosing between them I would buy the Audi. It doesn't upset me that you guys would both choose the Nissan though.

If money was no object, I probably would have the big TT (lol), as it does look a lot nicer. But that said, if money was no object I would have both, as the GTR is a lot of fun.

And the Nissan is hardly 'bad' build quality. I do know that there is a lot better, but I'm not talking in terms of being compared to somerthing else/more expensive.