does a certified electrician have to rewire a house?
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There is actually a law which states you can not carry out MAJOR electrical work. I.e. you can add a socket, add a light, but you couldn't carry out major work.
http://www.nelsonslaw.co.uk/site/library/privateclient/newlawsonelectricalwork.html
http://www.nelsonslaw.co.uk/site/library/privateclient/newlawsonelectricalwork.html
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http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/explanatorybooklet.pdf
Covers most of the relevant 'parts' of the building regs. And no, compliance isn't optional if you want to stay on the right side of the Law.
Covers most of the relevant 'parts' of the building regs. And no, compliance isn't optional if you want to stay on the right side of the Law.
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From: http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/buildingworkleaflet.pdf
Basically you can't do work in the kitchen or bathroom, or wire up a shed, but you can do most else. So you can't do everything but just saying 'Part P' doesn't really help either.
Basically you can't do work in the kitchen or bathroom, or wire up a shed, but you can do most else. So you can't do everything but just saying 'Part P' doesn't really help either.
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The early replies were based on the OP - A full rewire by a non certified/qualified person. Unfortunately, someone decided to post comments suggesting JP can do owt they like.
Part P covers more than just adding a bit here and there, replacing a switch/socket etc.
If the work is notifiable, and it's surprising how much can often fall into this bracket, then compliance with BS7671 is also a necessity, although that is standard anyway.
Part P covers more than just adding a bit here and there, replacing a switch/socket etc.
If the work is notifiable, and it's surprising how much can often fall into this bracket, then compliance with BS7671 is also a necessity, although that is standard anyway.
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From: http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/buildingworkleaflet.pdf
Basically you can't do work in the kitchen or bathroom, or wire up a shed, but you can do most else. So you can't do everything but just saying 'Part P' doesn't really help either.
because summing up a 30 page document in one paragraph is really going to help - isnt it.
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Maybe this might help the thread?
It explains the routes for people to take regarding electrical work in their homes.
http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/planningandbuilding/buildingworkleaflet
I must point out that there is a bit more to electrics that just connecting up a few wires to make something come on or light up.
Those untrained who attempt to carry out electrical work are their own and families worst enemy.
Why take the risk? Electric can kill, full stop!
I wouldn't play around with the brakes on my van, I would get a qualified mechanic in.
Here's some reality of the dangers.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1198470/Young-mother-electrocuted-live-tap-ran-bath-familys-new-home.html
It explains the routes for people to take regarding electrical work in their homes.
http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/planningandbuilding/buildingworkleaflet
I must point out that there is a bit more to electrics that just connecting up a few wires to make something come on or light up.
Those untrained who attempt to carry out electrical work are their own and families worst enemy.
Why take the risk? Electric can kill, full stop!
I wouldn't play around with the brakes on my van, I would get a qualified mechanic in.
Here's some reality of the dangers.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1198470/Young-mother-electrocuted-live-tap-ran-bath-familys-new-home.html
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That link is to a story about a tragedy caused by not having any work done, not about whether the work was done by a certified sparky.
But it's from the Daily Mail, so in their tradition of scare stories it fits I suppose.
Using qualified professionals when necessary is obviously sensible. Using scare stories which don't fit just undermines that sensible argument.
But it's from the Daily Mail, so in their tradition of scare stories it fits I suppose.
Using qualified professionals when necessary is obviously sensible. Using scare stories which don't fit just undermines that sensible argument.
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skyhi2
Did`nt really want to,but i feel i must jump in here.
You can do any electrical work you like in your own home.
You can do any gas work you like in your own home.
There are NO statute laws that say you can not.
However,there is one word that keeps cropping up and that is :-
"COMPETENT"
The various legislations that have been quoted on here ( Electric & Gas ),if you just read them,specify "competent" ( there`s that word again ) as a " get out of jail card " in my humble opinion.
Also,in my humble opinion,you would be barking fookin mad to attempt any Electrical or Gas work if you did not know,and were not fully conversant with the current regs.
Just my 2 cents.
Skyhi2.
You can do any electrical work you like in your own home.
You can do any gas work you like in your own home.
There are NO statute laws that say you can not.
However,there is one word that keeps cropping up and that is :-
"COMPETENT"
The various legislations that have been quoted on here ( Electric & Gas ),if you just read them,specify "competent" ( there`s that word again ) as a " get out of jail card " in my humble opinion.
Also,in my humble opinion,you would be barking fookin mad to attempt any Electrical or Gas work if you did not know,and were not fully conversant with the current regs.
Just my 2 cents.
Skyhi2.
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The snag seems to really be the certification part, doesn't it. A single, time served, C&G qualified electrician isn't deemed good enough any longer to sign the bit of paper everyone seems to insist they must have - unless he becomes a member of a body that is recognised as being able to issue these certificates (and pays for this membership) rather like the old CORGI system for the gas boys.
It's pretty obvious rewiring is still being done DIY by people without C&G certification in their own homes (including stuff that falls under Part P) BUT there is a practical snag now, that many people have forgotten about. Home owners packs! When you sell your house, they now want everything. Confirmation of damp proofing, loft insulation, etc etc - and if the house has been rewired, they want the documentation for that too - and if you don't have it...?
It's pretty obvious rewiring is still being done DIY by people without C&G certification in their own homes (including stuff that falls under Part P) BUT there is a practical snag now, that many people have forgotten about. Home owners packs! When you sell your house, they now want everything. Confirmation of damp proofing, loft insulation, etc etc - and if the house has been rewired, they want the documentation for that too - and if you don't have it...?
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The point I am trying to make in this thread is, people have a choice, you do not need to use a fully qualified electrician to do work on your house, if you feel confident in doing the work yourself.
With that in mind, thousands of houses get sold every year with no certification for the electrics.
Posting my views in this thread, makes me feel like I am about to 'wade through treacle'!!!
With that in mind, thousands of houses get sold every year with no certification for the electrics.
Posting my views in this thread, makes me feel like I am about to 'wade through treacle'!!!
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saxondale
nothing to do with feeling "confident" - everything to do with complying with building regs,
regs which you seem reluctant to accept, are you saying you have sold a house that is missing a certificate or are you just confusing the issue again - HMM?
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The link is the reality of death caused by faulty electrics.
Just the same as when people lose their lives in fire caused by faulty electrics or electrocution, installed by people who think they have the knowledge to do so.
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competent is but one point.
Compliance with BS7671 (or equivalent that you can show complies) is also a requirement. This leads to the certification issue again.
Referring back to the OP, getting a mate to wire it and then having job signed off by a sparks will NOT comply and the Sparks can NOT issue the relevant certificates.
It is all documented and the relevant links posted within this thread.
And for those who think they can do as they like.
Yes, there is statute covering work on your own home. It is covered in the Building Regs.
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Competent as quoted in BS7671 17th Edition Wiring Regulations:
Competent person.
A person who possesses sufficient technical knowledge, relevant practical skills and experience for the nature of the electrical work undertaken and is able at all times to prevent danger and, where appropriate, injury to him/herself and others.
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One thing I've learned while living in the US is the big difference between 110 volts and 240 volts. About a year ago, I happened to touch a live wire. It pulsed in my hand for a few seconds but caused no lasting harm. If it had happened in Britain, I'd be dead. Thinking about this, why don't we switch to 110 volts? Wouldn't it save a lot of lives?
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