cervical cancer jab

[Matt1959]

In the 2001 census the female population of the UK was 30 million. According to stats recently released, 3000 women a year get diagnosed with cervical cancer and 1000 of those die from it. So based on this, should every 12 year old girl in the UK be given this jab? Having a vested interest in this with a 12 year old daughter due her jab on Oct 18 and trying not to be influenced by newspaper headlines, I kind of think she shouldn't be having it..

any opinions:|

 

[An Oasis]

The high risk groups are sexualy active and between 25?-50, so a delay is not a problem, unless you know something I don't?

 

[Matt1959]

I know little about it apart from the usual stuff about bad side effects etc for a % of those that have the jab but bearing in mind the figures, it seems like overkill to me!

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Well a 14 year old girl died from the cervical cancer jab yesterday, so I think the NHS have already postponed any further jabs anyway.

Not sure how long for mind.

 

[Delboy]

Well a 14 year old girl died from the cervical cancer jab yesterday, so I think the NHS have already postponed any further jabs anyway.

Not sure how long for mind.

Thats not actually true mate, the Doctors have said they wont know for sure why she died until after tests, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8281673.stm

And Matt, it may be a 1 in a million chance she will get it, but if this stops that one in a million chance surely its a good thing?

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Thats not actually true mate, the Doctors have said they wont know for sure why she died until after tests, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8281673.stm

And Matt, it may be a 1 in a million chance she will get it, but if this stops that one in a million chance surely its a good thing?

Ahh I didn't spot that article. I've just seen ones like this.

The main point of my post though was to say that she might not end up getting the jab then anyway if they postpone any further jabs for long enough.

 

[Blush]

I hate to say, but underage sex is a huge problem , and as they don't need parents permission for contracpetions either then yes they need the jab, better safe than sorry.Teenage girsl? You can never be certain.I have a 16 year old, have overheard too many conversation I would rather not have heard and have been shocked so many times lost count at what I have heard that 'other' girls have done frm age 12 upwards.
Its very scary, but very real.
I also have had treatment , personal info I know, so I am 100% behind the jab as I never want my daughters to go through what I did , ever.

 

[iArtist]

In the 2001 census the female population of the UK was 30 million. According to stats recently released, 3000 women a year get diagnosed with cervical cancer and 1000 of those die from it. So based on this, should every 12 year old girl in the UK be given this jab? Having a vested interest in this with a 12 year old daughter due her jab on Oct 18 and trying not to be influenced by newspaper headlines, I kind of think she shouldn't be having it..

any opinions:|

I am presently writing an article about this

In June 2009 scottish parliament decided they wanted this vacc investigated due to problems with it and 'testing' of this vacc.

I'll post my source link later, off out now.

Leah

 

[Officebird]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8281673.stm

The vaccine was probably not what killed her according to the BBC this morning, as there was an underlying health problem.

The immunusation programme is to continue, and was never actually stopped yesterday anyway, just the batch that the girl had was put in quarantine.

Interesting that the UK is the only European country that chose this Cervix vaccine over it's rival. Everyone else decided the other (begins with G, can't remember name) vaccine was better. I wonder if Cervix is cheaper:|

I'm glad my little one is only five and that this will be a well established programme before I need to make the choice as to her having it or not. I feel for all the parents in that situation now.

 

[iArtist]

I am presently writing an article about this

In June 2009 scottish parliament decided they wanted this vacc investigated due to problems with it and 'testing' of this vacc.

I'll post my source link later, off out now.

Leah

Here's the link

[FONT=&quot]http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/MSPs-seek-answers-as-cervical.5408956.jp[/FONT]

 

[Beachcomber]

I am presently writing an article about this

Might be worth investigating the alternative vaccine that lost out to the current one - despite the fact it also protects against genital warts. Vested interests etc. among the policymakers?

Also, with the very tragic death of the girl this week and the subsequent media misinformation and hype, how many parents are going to find themselves in a re-run of the MMR dilemma?

And for balance, why does no-one ever mention the thousands of people in the UK who die every year from allergic reactions to standard everyday prescription drugs?

Sadly, when the media are involved, facts are nothing, perception is everything.

 

[directmarketingadvice]

On the news yesterday, they said the vaccine prevented 70% of instances of cervical cancer.

How do they know?

I'm no scientist (except my BSc says I am), but wouldn't the tests have had to last for decades before they could draw this conclusion?

I can't think of a methodology that would allow them to conclude that it would work on teenage girls.

Steve

 

[iArtist]

Might be worth investigating the alternative vaccine that lost out to the current one - despite the fact it also protects against genital warts. Vested interests etc. among the policymakers?

Also, with the very tragic death of the girl this week and the subsequent media misinformation and hype, how many parents are going to find themselves in a re-run of the MMR dilemma?

And for balance, why does no-one ever mention the thousands of people in the UK who die every year from allergic reactions to standard everyday prescription drugs?

Sadly, when the media are involved, facts are nothing, perception is everything.

and why does no one mention coriolus mushrooms have been found to significantly affect the HPV virus.

Read page 8 re summary of scientific findings:
http://www.mycologyresearch.com/pdf/newsletter/Clinical_Journal_of_Mycology_Vol2_July2009.pdf

This isn't some namby pamby research it is serious.

I myself have been taking this supplement for 4 years.

 

[estwig]

No1 estwig is thirteen and she had the jabs, I was and still am very, very sceptical. She has been brainwashed by the school and propaganda and thought it was a good thing to do. All I could do was agree to it, on the understanding that she tried to grasp that not everything the government, schools, the media, etc say is true.

It's is powerful brainwashing they give our kids, about all sorts of things, that worries me more than any jabs.

 

[Tej]

No1 estwig is thirteen and she had the jabs, I was and still am very, very sceptical. She has been brainwashed by the school and propaganda and thought it was a good thing to do. All I could do was agree to it, on the understanding that she tried to grasp that not everything the government, schools, the media, etc say is true.

It's is powerful brainwashing they give our kids, about all sorts of things, that worries me more than any jabs.

Don't the parents have any say in it these days?

Don't they have a duty to try and put the parents mind at rest.. and that the parents agree to the jab?

Fortunately i am past the sell by date ...girls grown up and fled the coop

 

[Stephen Berry]

Correct me if I am wrong ....
I think the 'at risk' group is 'start young, multiple partners'.
if that's you - have the jab
if not ... what's the point?
I'm working in Zambia next month - it is a risk analysis - yellow fever 'no', rabies 'no' hepititus and malaria 'yes' - it is just a risk assessment / analysis.

 

[Tej]

Correct me if I am wrong ....
I think the 'at risk' group is 'start young, multiple partners'.
if that's you - have the jab
if not ... what's the point?
I'm working in Zambia next month - it is a risk analysis - yellow fever 'no', rabies 'no' hepititus and malaria 'yes' - it is just a risk assessment / analysis.

I thought yellow fever jab was mandatory?

 

[Matt1959]

its a "mass public health experiment" says a leading cervical cancer expert.

I know the above is in the daily mail but regarding this sort of thing, I always think of the saying, theres no smoke without fire... looks like its turning into something like the MMR

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-officials-insist-vaccine-teenagers-safe.html

 

[directmarketingadvice]

its a "mass public health experiment" says a leading cervical cancer expert.

I know the above is in the daily mail but regarding this sort of thing, I always think of the saying, theres no smoke without fire... looks like its turning into something like the MMR

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-officials-insist-vaccine-teenagers-safe.html

"Patient trials have only been running for seven and a half years - not long enough to show whether it continues protecting women into their late 20s and 30s"

Supports the point I made yesterday about the length of trials.

Steve

 

[Stephen Berry]

I thought yellow fever jab was mandatory?

it used to be - for Zambia it is still recomemnded for the remote North West but not the majority of the country.
However, for me, it is purely an example - it is mandatory in Tanzania and Kenya - Serengeti territory.

I don't think I'll get the cervical jab though

 

[SneakSMS]

The girl who died recently died due to a tumour, which, apparently, could have killed her at any time and she was lucky to live as long as she did (poor girl )

 

[iArtist]

Correct me if I am wrong ....
I think the 'at risk' group is 'start young, multiple partners'.
if that's you - have the jab
if not ... what's the point?
I'm working in Zambia next month - it is a risk analysis - yellow fever 'no', rabies 'no' hepititus and malaria 'yes' - it is just a risk assessment / analysis.

I didn't start young and I didn't have multiple partners

I was 19 before I gave up that cherry

However

In 2006 I was diagnosed CIN111

(told by consultant I had severe PRE cancer of the cervix and that I was just 6 months away from 'cancer of the cervix')

My condition was found by a sheer fluke as my smear test results said CIN1 which is only mild changes and thus no referral was made on that basis. The GP told me on examination my cervix was perfectly healthy.

I won't go into how to it came to be that I found the 'truth' out except to say:

'There but for the grace of God go I'

You can read abit more about my situation and what I went through here:

Fear of death - who do you talk to when cancer strikes?

Meanwhile, on that same day as I was given those results I had those cells removed and tested clear (weeks later) for cancer and those cells were also not cancerous. I now have annual smears.

I was delighted when I heard about this vaccine as cervical cancer doesn't have a very high survival rate and those that do survive do at a cost to various parts of their body.

If the vaccine works then it's a miracle. If it's harmful then it's back to the drawing board.

 

[iArtist]

I forgot to add, not really sure why the media, government, health depts etc. keeps referring to HPV as a STD, you can be born with this virus, so clearly that is not the case.

http://www.teachthefacts.org/2005/06/hpv-not-std.html

HPV being a STD is a 'theory' it is not a fact

"The theory of papillomavirus being a sexually transmitted disease (STD) should have been consigned to the history books long ago. Numerous studies have shown that papilloma can be contracted in many non-sexual ways, but for some reason those studies are being ignored.

Scientists made the link between HPV and the main type of cervical cancer about 15 years ago. Two types of HPV (six and 11) are sexually transmitted, so they assumed that other types of HPV were too. That assumption has become axiom, despite numerous studies that contradict this assumption."

Meanwhile most HPV cases resolve themselves without treatment - allegedly

http://www.babycenter.com/0_human-papillomavirus-hpv-during-pregnancy_1427380.bc


"The good news is that in the vast majority of cases, the immune system keeps the virus under control or destroys it - even the high-risk strains. Most women are free of the virus within a year or two after they're diagnosed.

Only a small percentage of women with HPV develop cell changes that need to be treated, and with proper screening and treatment, only rarely does HPV lead to cervical cancer or other types of genital cancer."

So bearing the above in mind, why do girls aged 12 and 13 need this vaccine and will it prevent them ever contracting this virus?

Are they checked for this virus before being vaccinated given they may already have it with or without sexual contact?

 

[iArtist]

No1 estwig is thirteen and she had the jabs, I was and still am very, very sceptical. She has been brainwashed by the school and propaganda and thought it was a good thing to do. All I could do was agree to it, on the understanding that she tried to grasp that not everything the government, schools, the media, etc say is true.

It's is powerful brainwashing they give our kids, about all sorts of things, that worries me more than any jabs.

This is a very useful resource

http://www.baymoon.com/~hpvinfo/library/weekly/aa070301a.htm

It answers many questions including what else can be done to prevent HPV become cervical cancer.

Vit C is high on the agenda!

 

[Matt1959]

well, we as parents have decided not to let our daughter have the jab. She's 12 whereas alot of her schoolmates are 13 so theres got 6 to 12 months before shes the same age as her friends now and that time can see more news come out about side effects to the jab etc . If everything seems to be ok and the furore has settled down, then we'll reconsider it. Lots of things making me negative about this - 1) theres no guarantee how long the jab gives protection for 2) Not all girls are having sex by age 16 anyway (and thats 4 years off in our daughters case) 3) what about condoms (lessens the risk) 4) The jab only protects 70% of viruses anyway. I've seen the term "sledgehammer to crack a nut" bandied about and that the fortune involved in giving these vacines could be equally spent on better sex aducation.

BUT, as said, if this is a wonder drug that will slash deaths (from an already relatively small number anyway) and its PROVEN to work and has been tested ENOUGH to ensure safety, then fair enough but, again, as mentioned Steve etc , the trials apparently haven't been long enough to be conclusive.

 

[iArtist]

well, we as parents have decided not to let our daughter have the jab. She's 12 whereas alot of her schoolmates are 13 so theres got 6 to 12 months before shes the same age as her friends now and that time can see more news come out about side effects to the jab etc . If everything seems to be ok and the furore has settled down, then we'll reconsider it. Lots of things making me negative about this - 1) theres no guarantee how long the jab gives protection for 2) Not all girls are having sex by age 16 anyway (and thats 4 years off in our daughters case) 3) what about condoms (lessens the risk) 4) The jab only protects 70% of viruses anyway. I've seen the term "sledgehammer to crack a nut" bandied about and that the fortune involved in giving these vacines could be equally spent on better sex aducation.

BUT, as said, if this is a wonder drug that will slash deaths (from an already relatively small number anyway) and its PROVEN to work and has been tested ENOUGH to ensure safety, then fair enough but, again, as mentioned Steve etc , the trials apparently haven't been long enough to be conclusive.

HPV isn't transmitted solely via Intercourse it could include 'touching', oral etc.

30% of lesbians (that were tested in a study) were found to have HPV virus as an example

 

[Fuzzy]

I'm not going to comment on this, don't get me going on vaccinations, but just want to follow the thread - thanks for starting it

 

[Blush]

Correct me if I am wrong ....
I think the 'at risk' group is 'start young, multiple partners'.
if that's you - have the jab
if not ... what's the point?
I'm working in Zambia next month - it is a risk analysis - yellow fever 'no', rabies 'no' hepititus and malaria 'yes' - it is just a risk assessment / analysis.

I am so glad you are not sitting in front of me!
This is just like when the say the 'at risk ' group fro breats cancer is over 50's! yet three liitel girls in my daughters school now have no mummy , and they were onlyin their thirties.
EVERY WOMAN IS AT RISK!
I CERTAINLY DID NOT FIT THE CRITERIA YOU HAVE JUST QUOTED! I have four daughters and yes I want them all to have a the jab.I am also only too aware of the damge a vaccine can do to someone as my brother is a victim of the whooping cough vaccine.
Sometimes you have to look at the pros and cons like anything in life, and I am sorry to say if these are the rmost at trisk groups then parents need to open their eyes as their sweet innocent girls may not be as sweet as they would like to think. Society has changed a lot, and young girls attititudes have probably changed more than anything sadly.Its a fact if life sadly, so if they aren't going to listen to us the least we can do is try to protect them in some way or another.
I think my maternal instinct has gone into overdrive here hasn't it!

 

[Isobelandjess]

I was given the cancer jab today at school evan though i wasn't ment to have it.
I did tell the nurse my mum had rung school and sent a letter in about me not having it but still i was injected.
I am now feeling dizzy,tired,sore on the injection area and quite itchy and sick.
The nurses aswell were quite rude to some of the girls in my year aswell.
I think this is slightly ridiculous .

 

[Stephen Berry]

I was given the cancer jab today at school evan though i wasn't ment to have it.
I did tell the nurse my mum had rung school and sent a letter in about me not having it but still i was injected.
I am now feeling dizzy,tired,sore on the injection area and quite itchy and sick.
The nurses aswell were quite rude to some of the girls in my year aswell.
I think this is slightly ridiculous .

If that is true, I have 3 concerns:

1. that is a criminal assult and you should file charges
2. what are you doing on a business forum?
3. which school do you go to? Your basic literacy level is abysmal: 'evan', 'i' 'ment' 'sent a letter in' 'aswell' ?

excuse the edit ..... I forgot the comma between 'true' and 'I' ...... poor literacy from me

 

[Isobelandjess]

If that is true, I have 3 concerns:

1. that is a criminal assult and you should file charges
2. what are you doing on a business forum?
3. which school do you go to? Your basic literacy level is abysmal: 'evan', 'i' 'ment' 'sent a letter in' 'aswell' ?

excuse the edit ..... I forgot the comma between 'true' and 'I' ...... poor literacy from me

Sorry if it seems i write like some idiot but i couldn't be bothered to write properly on the computer, so excuse my literacy and yes it is very true.

 

[Dawg]

I was given the cancer jab today at school evan though i wasn't ment to have it.
I did tell the nurse my mum had rung school and sent a letter in about me not having it but still i was injected.
I am now feeling dizzy,tired,sore on the injection area and quite itchy and sick.
The nurses aswell were quite rude to some of the girls in my year aswell.
I think this is slightly ridiculous .

The last two points either cast doubt on the claims made, or, especially the last one, bring hope of a refreshing stoicism, an amused fatalism, rarely seen.

 

[wilfredw]

I know the above is in the daily mail but regarding this sort of thing, I always think of the saying, theres no smoke without fire... looks like its turning into something like the MMR

And as a consequence, the number of children dying from measles have gone up.

 

[Stephen Berry]

And as a consequence, the number of children dying from measles have gone up.

and that absolutely gets me riled ...... if someone's child died from measles before they were old enough for the jab I'd be first in the queue to shoot all the stupid, irresponsible, moronic parents who did not get their older children innoculated and thus perpetuated the killer disease.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

If that is true, I have 3 concerns:

1. that is a criminal assult and you should file charges
2. what are you doing on a business forum?
3. which school do you go to? Your basic literacy level is abysmal: 'evan', 'i' 'ment' 'sent a letter in' 'aswell' ?

excuse the edit ..... I forgot the comma between 'true' and 'I' ...... poor literacy from me

Why so harsh?

It seems to me that this thread is now in the search engines for some sort of search term relating to the jab, so we'll probably receive visitors now in this way.

If anyone from any walk of life finds the forum in this way and wants to participate in this thread then I welcome it. Interesting to hear the view of young school people who have received the jab.

As for the spelling, that's common place for a very large number of pupils in Schools; even up to the final year. That aside though I don't think we should openly attack brand new members for it.

 

[Gillie]

Ok, why only 13/14 year olds to start with? Are they at greater risk than 16 year olds?? Is the Government and Health Dept saying that this particular age group are more sexually active than those later??

Seems a strange choice of age group to start with?

 

[Matt1959]

well, sexual activity starts at 12 so they tell us and thats why this is coming now so as to nip things in the bud so to speak. I must say, I'm ever so slightly put out that I might be labled a naive parent for thinking my 12 or 13 or 14 year old doesn't get up to this sort of thing.

 

[Gillie]

It just seems a strange age to target first - yes I know and understand that girls under 16 have sex unfortunately, but surely more over the age of 16 have it??

My only girl brat is nearly 20 so no hope for her - in fact, I don't even want to think about it thank you ....

 

[Matt1959]

It just seems a strange age to target first - yes I know and understand that girls under 16 have sex unfortunately, but surely more over the age of 16 have it??

....

oh dear Gillie,. your sounding like a naive parent - one that just doesnt have a clue about what their daughters are getting up to

 

[iArtist]

and that absolutely gets me riled ...... if someone's child died from measles before they were old enough for the jab I'd be first in the queue to shoot all the stupid, irresponsible, moronic parents who did not get their older children innoculated and thus perpetuated the killer disease.

Measles isn't a killer disease unless you live in a developing country with no access to medical treatment.
http://www.netnewspublisher.com/uni...-500-children-die-of-measles-daily-in-africa/

"Measles is an acute illness caused by a virus of paramyxovirus family. During the first few weeks after contracting measles, a child's immune system will be compromised.

"It causes a normal cold or diarrhea which can become a life threatening disease in developing countries where children have limited or no access to medical treatment,''


Perpetuating inaccurate information is equally irresponsible

That said I also support vaccination where those vaccinations are proven safe.