Ok saying YNB is a scam is a bit harsh, because it's not really YNB that's the problem here.
Lets take the Platinum package. Approx £2k upfront. Now if you get the Right Mentor and Join The Right Team, Who Under Promise and Over Deliver then you should see a healthy return on your investment.
However! If you sign up under the Wrong Mentor and the Wrong Team, then you would have been better off buying a £2K bottle of water.
YourNetBiz is one of a few Get Paid Today business or GPT as it's otherwise known that's doing the rounds. Carbon Copy Pro and LifePath are similar GPT schemes out there. They're generally touted as the antidote for MLM companies and their " tiny residual checks "
My personal opinion is that MLM companies will still be around and GPT companies will not affect them. Reason being that the initial startup costs to join a MLM biz can be less than £100. To join YNB is a hell of a lot more.
It all boils down to peoples perceptions. Most people spending £2K on a holiday wouldn't feel ripped off after their fortnight in the sun. When you think about it once the holiday is over, the money is spent and your back in rainy England, your left with nothing but a credit card bill. What I'm saying is the money isn't coming back.
However, A lot of people may feel a little bit fed up after spending £2k a getting a set of ebooks.
Now it's down to perceptions. If you are shown how to take the info you've been given and you are able to generate an online income 10 times more than your initial investment, then I would say that it's well worth passing on your week in the sun
Lets take the Platinum package. Approx £2k upfront. Now if you get the Right Mentor and Join The Right Team, Who Under Promise and Over Deliver then you should see a healthy return on your investment.
However! If you sign up under the Wrong Mentor and the Wrong Team, then you would have been better off buying a £2K bottle of water.
YourNetBiz is one of a few Get Paid Today business or GPT as it's otherwise known that's doing the rounds. Carbon Copy Pro and LifePath are similar GPT schemes out there. They're generally touted as the antidote for MLM companies and their " tiny residual checks "
My personal opinion is that MLM companies will still be around and GPT companies will not affect them. Reason being that the initial startup costs to join a MLM biz can be less than £100. To join YNB is a hell of a lot more.
It all boils down to peoples perceptions. Most people spending £2K on a holiday wouldn't feel ripped off after their fortnight in the sun. When you think about it once the holiday is over, the money is spent and your back in rainy England, your left with nothing but a credit card bill. What I'm saying is the money isn't coming back.
However, A lot of people may feel a little bit fed up after spending £2k a getting a set of ebooks.
Now it's down to perceptions. If you are shown how to take the info you've been given and you are able to generate an online income 10 times more than your initial investment, then I would say that it's well worth passing on your week in the sun
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Well surely the only reason the cheques are bigger are because people are paying £2K to join as opposed to £25-200 and a large proportion of that £2K is paid to your sponsor/recruiter.
I have seen a few of these and they are worrying, firstly because although they are not promoted as MLMs they in fact are. Which then means they are in direct contravention of the OFT/Trading Standards guidelines on MLMs where *by law* the most any promoter can charge to join one of these schemes is £200.
I'm out!
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Bling Marketing is a phrase coined by a friend of mine, who infact makes a decent living online. It is a marketing method where the promoter has a website where they are "showing off" their flashy car, house and more importantly their bank statement.
This type of " Bling " marketing is what's giving some of these MLM and GPT companies a bad name.
First of all it's not duplicatable. You don't have the car, house and bank statement to market like these guys, unless of course you want to lie through your teeth. " Faking it until you make it " as it's known in the industry is not something I would advise.
Secondly its against the rules. YNB state clearly in their terms and conditions not to show bank statements on your website.
So in closing you have got to ask yourself. Do you really want to give £2K of your hard earned money to some one who only wants to talk about his or her flashy car? Get real once you have parted with your cash you will not see or hear from Bling Promoter again. You have been warned!!
This type of " Bling " marketing is what's giving some of these MLM and GPT companies a bad name.
First of all it's not duplicatable. You don't have the car, house and bank statement to market like these guys, unless of course you want to lie through your teeth. " Faking it until you make it " as it's known in the industry is not something I would advise.
Secondly its against the rules. YNB state clearly in their terms and conditions not to show bank statements on your website.
So in closing you have got to ask yourself. Do you really want to give £2K of your hard earned money to some one who only wants to talk about his or her flashy car? Get real once you have parted with your cash you will not see or hear from Bling Promoter again. You have been warned!!
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I've noticed that if you type " YourNetBiZ " and " Scam " in Google then more often than not you will get pages of articles and YouTube videos giving nothing, but what I can see as a Heavily Biased opinion about the op.
This comes as no surprise because most of these articles and videos are produced by YourNetBiz members, keen for you to signup and go into their marketing funnel.
Now don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with this, infact I endorse it, however let me give an alternative view, or shall I say a slightly differerent perspective on the op.
1: Bling Marketing. I've talked about this before in a previous post. Basically it's not duplicatable. As a new person signing up you are going to be up against your personal sponsor, who has all the flashy cars and large bank statement to use in their marketing. You as a newbie don't. Unless your sponsor can show you how to market without the bling, in which case why don't they do it (lead by example), then you will be going nowhere fast.
2: £30k a Month. You've seen these headlines I'm sure. Apart from looking tacky and scam ridden, it just doesn't mean anything for you.
Lets look at the maths. A £2k Platinum Package gives you approx £1200 commission, which means you would have needed to bring in 25 people to get that £30k. Now I know that you can also earn commission on the 2nd level, but lets just keep it at the first level for simplicity. Now your sponsor would have to personally mentor 25 people 1 to 1, bit of a struggle I think. Hold on what about the 25 last month and the 25 the month before that?
You get the picture. Unless your sponsor can introduce to a team of people that will help you and not just themselves, then you will be going down like the Titanic.
3: Only Work 4hrs a Week. This one makes me laugh and should make you laugh. Can you mentor the people you;ve sponsored, update your websites and blogs, create content, film videos, talk to prospects and attend live webinars in 4hrs? What do you think? I'll say no more.
4: It's Totally Automated a TurnKey Solution. Absolute crap!! The reasons I gave above should tell you why this is the case. Anyone telling you that this system is totally automated is living in cloud coo coo land. You will have to put some work in period. You will also have to talk to the people you sponsor, they have just paid you for crying out loud.
5: Anybody Can Do It. Yes anybody can do it, but it's not for everyone. I suggest that you have to come in at least at an intermediate to advanced level. What I mean is it would be helpfull if you have had some prior experience of internet marketing. Lets face it other than sending emails and uploading pictures on facebook a lot of people can't be bothered, or just aren't enthusiastic about computers. They don't care about ftp servers and html code. If that's you I suggest you should consider another business. If you are interested and you are a newbie then I strongly advise you do some form of Internet Marketing for Beginers training proir to joining YourNetBiz.
And there it is folks. Five things to think about before you join YourNetBiz. I don't think YNB is a bad business, I just think that it has been hyped up by Bling Marketers who are in effect lying to you and will run off with your money. Avoid the Bling!! You have been warned again!!
This comes as no surprise because most of these articles and videos are produced by YourNetBiz members, keen for you to signup and go into their marketing funnel.
Now don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with this, infact I endorse it, however let me give an alternative view, or shall I say a slightly differerent perspective on the op.
1: Bling Marketing. I've talked about this before in a previous post. Basically it's not duplicatable. As a new person signing up you are going to be up against your personal sponsor, who has all the flashy cars and large bank statement to use in their marketing. You as a newbie don't. Unless your sponsor can show you how to market without the bling, in which case why don't they do it (lead by example), then you will be going nowhere fast.
2: £30k a Month. You've seen these headlines I'm sure. Apart from looking tacky and scam ridden, it just doesn't mean anything for you.
Lets look at the maths. A £2k Platinum Package gives you approx £1200 commission, which means you would have needed to bring in 25 people to get that £30k. Now I know that you can also earn commission on the 2nd level, but lets just keep it at the first level for simplicity. Now your sponsor would have to personally mentor 25 people 1 to 1, bit of a struggle I think. Hold on what about the 25 last month and the 25 the month before that?
You get the picture. Unless your sponsor can introduce to a team of people that will help you and not just themselves, then you will be going down like the Titanic.
3: Only Work 4hrs a Week. This one makes me laugh and should make you laugh. Can you mentor the people you;ve sponsored, update your websites and blogs, create content, film videos, talk to prospects and attend live webinars in 4hrs? What do you think? I'll say no more.
4: It's Totally Automated a TurnKey Solution. Absolute crap!! The reasons I gave above should tell you why this is the case. Anyone telling you that this system is totally automated is living in cloud coo coo land. You will have to put some work in period. You will also have to talk to the people you sponsor, they have just paid you for crying out loud.
5: Anybody Can Do It. Yes anybody can do it, but it's not for everyone. I suggest that you have to come in at least at an intermediate to advanced level. What I mean is it would be helpfull if you have had some prior experience of internet marketing. Lets face it other than sending emails and uploading pictures on facebook a lot of people can't be bothered, or just aren't enthusiastic about computers. They don't care about ftp servers and html code. If that's you I suggest you should consider another business. If you are interested and you are a newbie then I strongly advise you do some form of Internet Marketing for Beginers training proir to joining YourNetBiz.
And there it is folks. Five things to think about before you join YourNetBiz. I don't think YNB is a bad business, I just think that it has been hyped up by Bling Marketers who are in effect lying to you and will run off with your money. Avoid the Bling!! You have been warned again!!
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Yep plenty of that cmoney, you cant really get unbiased advice on alot of things as everyone sets up review sites (aka conduits) which are nothing more than a way of generating traffic as most people type scam or review along with the opp. name and these sites give only a slightly favoured review along with their affiliate link.
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Going to press I've noticed that this page is topping google search engines when YourNetBiz and Scam is typed in. Similar results can be seen with YourNetBiz and Review and YourNetBiz and Platinum Package.
I hope that anyone reading these posts will be in a better position to make a decision regarding YNB.
I must make it clear once again that I don't think YNB is a bad business. I just get really fedup by the way sponsors bring other people into the business by over hyping the business with wild income claims etc.
Mike Dillard, a well respected trainer in the home based business industry, talks about the " so what rule "
Anytime you are reading content on a website, blog, article page etc, see if you can put the term "so what" next to it.
For example. I make 50K a month! So what. Look at my nice car! So what. This is the best business since sliced bread!! So what.
None of the above comments will do anything to help you personally. Where was the usefull info there?
If you are serious about joining YNB what should be important to you is:
1: What are you going to get for your money?
2: How much support are you going to get from your sponsor?
3: What kind of support are you going to get from your team?
What I'm saying is it's not really important how much money your sponsor is making, what is important is that they will make sure that they will "hold your hand" in the early stages so that you can hit the ground running.
Also your sponsor has got to be clear about exactly what it is that you are going to get for your money. Ask a lot of people exactly what YNB is and they freeze.
YourNetBiz is a suite of electronic tools and training aids that enables the individual to be able to effectively market any product and service online. This is primarily what YourNetBiz is all about. There is also a Holiday Club and a host of other products included. Online Marketing is the main skill you should acquire and if you don't because your sponsor doesn't effectively show you how to make the best use of all the tools you have just purchased, then you've been scammed!!
I hope that anyone reading these posts will be in a better position to make a decision regarding YNB.
I must make it clear once again that I don't think YNB is a bad business. I just get really fedup by the way sponsors bring other people into the business by over hyping the business with wild income claims etc.
Mike Dillard, a well respected trainer in the home based business industry, talks about the " so what rule "
Anytime you are reading content on a website, blog, article page etc, see if you can put the term "so what" next to it.
For example. I make 50K a month! So what. Look at my nice car! So what. This is the best business since sliced bread!! So what.
None of the above comments will do anything to help you personally. Where was the usefull info there?
If you are serious about joining YNB what should be important to you is:
1: What are you going to get for your money?
2: How much support are you going to get from your sponsor?
3: What kind of support are you going to get from your team?
What I'm saying is it's not really important how much money your sponsor is making, what is important is that they will make sure that they will "hold your hand" in the early stages so that you can hit the ground running.
Also your sponsor has got to be clear about exactly what it is that you are going to get for your money. Ask a lot of people exactly what YNB is and they freeze.
YourNetBiz is a suite of electronic tools and training aids that enables the individual to be able to effectively market any product and service online. This is primarily what YourNetBiz is all about. There is also a Holiday Club and a host of other products included. Online Marketing is the main skill you should acquire and if you don't because your sponsor doesn't effectively show you how to make the best use of all the tools you have just purchased, then you've been scammed!!
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I recently looked at this company very closely and was literally seconds away from joining, when the Order process glitched (thankfully). Fortunately the error distracted me long enough to put off completing the order I was going to enter for 3K (platinum) which would have been a total bummer based on what I know now. I'm a newbie and claim no expertise here, but here is what I learned shortly after my near collision with YourNetBiz.
As I was searching around the Net I came across another "Digital Library"site that is built by a guy who has done the exact same thing as YourNetBiz but sells it in a totally different way - NOT MLM or NetworkMarketing he sells it as a subscription.
YourNetBiz has pieced together 2 components: A digital Media Library and a Travel/vacation company. I know nothing about the Travel piece of it other than that tons of companies do it and appears to be a saturated market.
But the biggest component is the Media Library. I was intrigued by this at first because of course I'm a newbie and didn't know any better at all and was more caught up in the high commissions than anything else. I discovered the fact is that there are Free or near-Free digital Resell products with Private Label Rights all over the Web - that explains why their commissions are so high - the underlying value of the products is practically nothing. All they did was collect it, organize it and package it all in a "library." They then structured an MLM/GPT-type company to sell the "library" to seekers of a home based business (like me) and attract people like me by dangling Huge commissions as the primary incentive.
It all looks good on the surface, and the people I met were totally top-notch I thought (which made the whole melt-down kinda dissapointing). Here's the problem. As it turns out I have learned, Resell rights and Private Label Rights products are incredibly useful and effective for List Building and even making some huge money along the way. I learned this from a guy named Socrates Socratous (love the guys name). This guy built an enormous Internet Empire on the very concept of Reselling and Re-branding Private Label digital products. He has this great story that is worth listening to if nothing else because he is from a Mediterranean village of 200 people and now makes gazillions on the Internet. Anyway I stumbled across his site, which is a Subscription based offer to what he claims to be "the largest digital library on the planet" I have no way of knowing if that is true, but the point is that his monthly subscriptions range from Free up to a couple hundred bucks for a lifetime unlimited access membership.
Now, I'm certainly willing to listen to anyone else, but why in the world would you ever spend 3k for a library of products if you could "subscribe" to them on an as-needed basis. Once I put together the pieces of the function and purpose of these products for List building and how and why you would want to do that for your business, it was clear that YourNet Biz appears to be nothing more than a very creative Marketing scheme that appeals to those of us who don't know any better - Instead of subscribing to a Service, YNB sells them all at once for 3K and you can have a blast trying to build a business with them.
I think the reality is that YNB isn't marketing the idea of building a business with their Digital Library (so I maybe guilty of completely missing the point of their offer) They are marketing the huge commissions you earn selling the Library to other people: "Hi, do you want to buy my Library of stuff for 3k? It's a great deal, you'll love it, plus I make a 2K commission and my sponsor makes another $500." Some might argue this represents the epitome of an MLM scam. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if this is true, but it is certainly odd that the goal here is to have a whole bunch of people reselling a "library" for a massive mark-up and hopefully a bunch of people get rich before anyone figures out whats going on.
I would ask the person talking to you about YNB if they are building a business with the digital products or just banking commissions from reselling the library. In my case there was no discussion about building a business with the products, just big commissions from other people buying the Library.
This other model is totally different though: Socrates built his own business reselling these same type of digital products and along the way he assembled a huge library that he decided to monetize - why wouldn't you after years of collecting these products? If I had a big collection of stuff I might resell it too.
It's more like a book club subscription. I admit, I did get very interested in Socrates story because he clarified for me the purpose of these libraries and how to leverage them into a real business. I did become a member a few weeks ago and have started using his library to build my Lists and it is working pretty well. I do earn an Affiliate commission for referrals so don't hate me for that, but I don't think you are going to be bothered when/if you compare his business model to YNB. You may end up deciding the entire Resell business is not for you anyway. I'm still learning, but at least I can say I understand the purpose of what I'm doing.
There may be something I'm missing with YourNetBiz and I'm certainly not pretending to be an expert, but I find it odd that anyone would want to buy 3K worth of Digital products unless you knew exactly what you were doing when it came to reselling them - and if you do, then by all means please share what is different about it than something like Socrates library??
I seem to see a lot more people I consider knowledgeable in this business to be steering clear of YNB, because they know tons of places and ways to get these products without paying 3k for them and they don't want to make a living selling only to the uninformed. I don't blame them - I don't either. That's not why I cam to Internet-land.
Anyway, check out Socrates if you feel like it - or not. I really wrote this because I'm fascinated by the YNB thing and I think it nearly cost me a fortune, but I could be dead wrong.
I'm just looking for something real - I know at least one component of that is building a list, which is what Socrates is all about - and he is actually teaching me how to do it.
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As I was searching around the Net I came across another "Digital Library"site that is built by a guy who has done the exact same thing as YourNetBiz but sells it in a totally different way - NOT MLM or NetworkMarketing he sells it as a subscription.
YourNetBiz has pieced together 2 components: A digital Media Library and a Travel/vacation company. I know nothing about the Travel piece of it other than that tons of companies do it and appears to be a saturated market.
But the biggest component is the Media Library. I was intrigued by this at first because of course I'm a newbie and didn't know any better at all and was more caught up in the high commissions than anything else. I discovered the fact is that there are Free or near-Free digital Resell products with Private Label Rights all over the Web - that explains why their commissions are so high - the underlying value of the products is practically nothing. All they did was collect it, organize it and package it all in a "library." They then structured an MLM/GPT-type company to sell the "library" to seekers of a home based business (like me) and attract people like me by dangling Huge commissions as the primary incentive.
It all looks good on the surface, and the people I met were totally top-notch I thought (which made the whole melt-down kinda dissapointing). Here's the problem. As it turns out I have learned, Resell rights and Private Label Rights products are incredibly useful and effective for List Building and even making some huge money along the way. I learned this from a guy named Socrates Socratous (love the guys name). This guy built an enormous Internet Empire on the very concept of Reselling and Re-branding Private Label digital products. He has this great story that is worth listening to if nothing else because he is from a Mediterranean village of 200 people and now makes gazillions on the Internet. Anyway I stumbled across his site, which is a Subscription based offer to what he claims to be "the largest digital library on the planet" I have no way of knowing if that is true, but the point is that his monthly subscriptions range from Free up to a couple hundred bucks for a lifetime unlimited access membership.
Now, I'm certainly willing to listen to anyone else, but why in the world would you ever spend 3k for a library of products if you could "subscribe" to them on an as-needed basis. Once I put together the pieces of the function and purpose of these products for List building and how and why you would want to do that for your business, it was clear that YourNet Biz appears to be nothing more than a very creative Marketing scheme that appeals to those of us who don't know any better - Instead of subscribing to a Service, YNB sells them all at once for 3K and you can have a blast trying to build a business with them.
I think the reality is that YNB isn't marketing the idea of building a business with their Digital Library (so I maybe guilty of completely missing the point of their offer) They are marketing the huge commissions you earn selling the Library to other people: "Hi, do you want to buy my Library of stuff for 3k? It's a great deal, you'll love it, plus I make a 2K commission and my sponsor makes another $500." Some might argue this represents the epitome of an MLM scam. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if this is true, but it is certainly odd that the goal here is to have a whole bunch of people reselling a "library" for a massive mark-up and hopefully a bunch of people get rich before anyone figures out whats going on.
I would ask the person talking to you about YNB if they are building a business with the digital products or just banking commissions from reselling the library. In my case there was no discussion about building a business with the products, just big commissions from other people buying the Library.
This other model is totally different though: Socrates built his own business reselling these same type of digital products and along the way he assembled a huge library that he decided to monetize - why wouldn't you after years of collecting these products? If I had a big collection of stuff I might resell it too.
It's more like a book club subscription. I admit, I did get very interested in Socrates story because he clarified for me the purpose of these libraries and how to leverage them into a real business. I did become a member a few weeks ago and have started using his library to build my Lists and it is working pretty well. I do earn an Affiliate commission for referrals so don't hate me for that, but I don't think you are going to be bothered when/if you compare his business model to YNB. You may end up deciding the entire Resell business is not for you anyway. I'm still learning, but at least I can say I understand the purpose of what I'm doing.
There may be something I'm missing with YourNetBiz and I'm certainly not pretending to be an expert, but I find it odd that anyone would want to buy 3K worth of Digital products unless you knew exactly what you were doing when it came to reselling them - and if you do, then by all means please share what is different about it than something like Socrates library??
I seem to see a lot more people I consider knowledgeable in this business to be steering clear of YNB, because they know tons of places and ways to get these products without paying 3k for them and they don't want to make a living selling only to the uninformed. I don't blame them - I don't either. That's not why I cam to Internet-land.
Anyway, check out Socrates if you feel like it - or not. I really wrote this because I'm fascinated by the YNB thing and I think it nearly cost me a fortune, but I could be dead wrong.
I'm just looking for something real - I know at least one component of that is building a list, which is what Socrates is all about - and he is actually teaching me how to do it.
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It's so hard to do your due dilligence on this company. You can type in Review and YNB or YourNet Biz and lots of links will come up telling you all about the benefits of YourNet Biz. These links are little more than ads, hoping that you opt in to their list building machine.
I've said before in previous posts that the problem isn't so much YNB, but the members particularly some of the leaders and the false expectations that have been set. You will be hard pressed to get a Real Honest review of YNB or the holiday bolt on of the business, Primovactions, simply by typing in scam or review.
You're right 54holes, in that £3k is a lot to pay for a digital download library, although to be fair you do get more in terms of the webinars, the video tutorials and Primovactions. Nevertheless £3k is a lot to pay for something that in all reality can be picked up on Ebay at a fraction of the cost.
Another point. Does any one really read ebooks?
Right now I'm going to break down the reality of YNB, and this can be applied to any other GPT biz, like Carbon Copy Pro, LifePath etc.. £3k is a lot of money if it's seen purely for set of digital downloads.
However, If you compare £3k to how much you would pay to get yourself through Uni. Compare £3k to how much you would pay to get a professional qualification (Cisco, Microsoft, Accounts etc )
The difference is that we are trained to think from school that higher education will near enough guarantee you a higher paid job.
It's like if you were to get a job working in McDonalds you wouldn't be thinking to yourself I wonder if I will get the right training here. I wonder if I will be able to cook and serve a burger. You would see it as a given, regardless of education and background that you will be able to flip burgers and serve fries after your trained. And you would be right! The system and training is there. You can walk into any McDonalds on the planet ask for a Big Mac and get the same tasting Big Mac everytime.
Going back to the reality of YNB and Primovacations. When you pay your money and sign up for YNB the primary objective is that you eventually turn into a well honed internet marketer. Now if you do become a top dog internet marketer, then the world is your oyster. You will be able to market any service or product and write your own paycheck. All that for £3k not a bad return! Especially when you compare it to £20K worth of student debt and there is no guarantee of a job afterwards.
Unfortunately, the system isn't setup like that. Once you've parted with your hard earned cash, it isn't a given that you will get the skills or the pay check that you are after.
Yes you can plug into the system, just like you could plug into a system at McDonalds, Tescos, KFC etc... The difference is the system!!
You see with McDonalds and co, the people that train you have to train you, or they get sacked, or you get sacked. With YNB or any other GPT, once you've joined a team, your sponser can just leave you high and dry. What's stopping him or her? So now you will be left with a £3k set of digital downloads and not a clue what to do with it.
I've said before that you should watch out for the "Bling Marketers". You see with all the hyped up income claims, flashy cars etc, this all doesn't mean a thing if they haven't got the time to train you up properly. why should they? They have got your money and all that would be happening is that you will become competition for them if they train you up properly.
To end this I've heard many stories of one Leader in YNB who signs people up and that's it. You don't hear from this guy again. He has all the hype on the net (flashy cars, income claims etc..), but as soon as he has grabbed your money he's gone missing.
So just to recap. YNB good if you sign up with someone who is going to train you. This person doesn't have to have a flashy car, he doesn't have to be making a lot of money, heck he doesn't have to be an expert. The main thing is that they make sure you are plugging into the system (attending webinars, setting up auto responders, whois pages etc..) And checking up in your process. After all it's in their interest that you do well.
I've said before in previous posts that the problem isn't so much YNB, but the members particularly some of the leaders and the false expectations that have been set. You will be hard pressed to get a Real Honest review of YNB or the holiday bolt on of the business, Primovactions, simply by typing in scam or review.
You're right 54holes, in that £3k is a lot to pay for a digital download library, although to be fair you do get more in terms of the webinars, the video tutorials and Primovactions. Nevertheless £3k is a lot to pay for something that in all reality can be picked up on Ebay at a fraction of the cost.
Another point. Does any one really read ebooks?
Right now I'm going to break down the reality of YNB, and this can be applied to any other GPT biz, like Carbon Copy Pro, LifePath etc.. £3k is a lot of money if it's seen purely for set of digital downloads.
However, If you compare £3k to how much you would pay to get yourself through Uni. Compare £3k to how much you would pay to get a professional qualification (Cisco, Microsoft, Accounts etc )
The difference is that we are trained to think from school that higher education will near enough guarantee you a higher paid job.
It's like if you were to get a job working in McDonalds you wouldn't be thinking to yourself I wonder if I will get the right training here. I wonder if I will be able to cook and serve a burger. You would see it as a given, regardless of education and background that you will be able to flip burgers and serve fries after your trained. And you would be right! The system and training is there. You can walk into any McDonalds on the planet ask for a Big Mac and get the same tasting Big Mac everytime.
Going back to the reality of YNB and Primovacations. When you pay your money and sign up for YNB the primary objective is that you eventually turn into a well honed internet marketer. Now if you do become a top dog internet marketer, then the world is your oyster. You will be able to market any service or product and write your own paycheck. All that for £3k not a bad return! Especially when you compare it to £20K worth of student debt and there is no guarantee of a job afterwards.
Unfortunately, the system isn't setup like that. Once you've parted with your hard earned cash, it isn't a given that you will get the skills or the pay check that you are after.
Yes you can plug into the system, just like you could plug into a system at McDonalds, Tescos, KFC etc... The difference is the system!!
You see with McDonalds and co, the people that train you have to train you, or they get sacked, or you get sacked. With YNB or any other GPT, once you've joined a team, your sponser can just leave you high and dry. What's stopping him or her? So now you will be left with a £3k set of digital downloads and not a clue what to do with it.
I've said before that you should watch out for the "Bling Marketers". You see with all the hyped up income claims, flashy cars etc, this all doesn't mean a thing if they haven't got the time to train you up properly. why should they? They have got your money and all that would be happening is that you will become competition for them if they train you up properly.
To end this I've heard many stories of one Leader in YNB who signs people up and that's it. You don't hear from this guy again. He has all the hype on the net (flashy cars, income claims etc..), but as soon as he has grabbed your money he's gone missing.
So just to recap. YNB good if you sign up with someone who is going to train you. This person doesn't have to have a flashy car, he doesn't have to be making a lot of money, heck he doesn't have to be an expert. The main thing is that they make sure you are plugging into the system (attending webinars, setting up auto responders, whois pages etc..) And checking up in your process. After all it's in their interest that you do well.
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cmoney - I think if you combine our 2 opinions on this, here's what you get and I think it's pretty much 99% of the story: I'm sure anybody could benefit in some way from $3000 worth of digital books if the went through them all and applied everything - just as you could say about any kind of training material for any type of profession. But you're right that it still leaves a lot up to you, the individual, and the idea that there is a coach/trainer that's going to help you turn the "library" into some meaningful source of income for you - what if the person who signs you up is brand new too? You're both looking at each other going "what do you think we should do with all these ebooks - I don't know, what do you think we should do."
In the end, YNB is a clever marketing maneuver that will make some very rich selling to those who don't really understand what they are buying, and leave others no closer to having a real business at all.
There are so many places on the web to get internet marketing training that it's really never ending if you've spent any time out here at all looking around. Most of the training is all Monthly subscription based between $50-150/month. For these prices you get access to massive libraries of ebooks, webinars, videos, coaches, and on and on more than you could ever use. I know this because I'm a member of My Lead Sytem Pro that is $50/month and gives me access to more Internet Marketing training than I could possibly go through in my lifetime and they add to it daily - there is literally something new there every single time I log-in to look for something. You pay a monthly fee and keep learning as long as you need too, while looking for and building your business once you know what you are doing. And there are lots of these kinds of companies and I members from lots of them and they are all very similar, the same way regular universities are.
I suspect none of these companies ever felt you could package all this training the way YNB has because the "Training" market is so diluted and hyper-competitive, that these guys have to work extremely hard in the value they provide to maintain monthly subscriptions alone much less get 3k out of someone. It appears no one, accept YNB, thought there would be a market for bundling and selling all this stuff at once for 3k accept them.
YNB just delivered this concept to the marketplace in a different package: They charge you up front for all the training you could possibly ever need and wish you well in your new business adventure. Along the way if you find other people who buy into the concept of buying their training this way, then all the better, you just got a nice chunk of your investment back.
I can see how they came up with the idea and I can see why it works. It's the same concept with my college education of saying that I could earn a referral bonus if I got my friends to attend the university as well. If I got enough people to attend, I might be able to have my tuition paid for eventually. In the case of YNB, it only takes about 2 sales to break-even on your investment, so in that regard it's not so bad. You make 2k commission per sale and if you sold a whole bunch of Libraries, you could be extremely profitable. In fact you wouldn't even need to care about the training at all if you could sell enough memberships. In that regard YNB starts looking like a pretty smart idea if you can find enough people to buy their education this way. But with so many other companies targeting the "training" market, like MLSP and & Carbon Copy Pro, who offer monthly subscription based models, you're going to be limited to only those people who really don't know any better and that's not a position I like to sell from. In other words if a good friend came to me and asked "I know you've been doing a lot of training in this InternetMarketing area - I would like to do the same - where should I go?" I would be inclined to send him to one of the many monthly subscription sites and the gazillions of sites that offer FREE stuff, not YNB.
I guess for me it's just hard to buy into because I have piles of digital training sitting on my hard drive that I can't even find time to read. In addition, I subscribe to so many FREE websites that offer FREE training on every relevant topic to Internet Business under the sun. I'm sure I could do quite well to just be able to digest 1/10th of all the FREE stuff, much less paying for anything. I guess if I were a YNB rep I cold at least re-sell all this stuff for some money and maybe that's not a bad idea, but it's not going to happen.
I guess if I were smart, I would package up all this free stuff I have and continue to receive daily, and start a Network Marketing company. I could sell the packages for $2700 to compete with YNB and find others to re-sell it too. Maybe I could get away with that for awhile and make a ton of money, but for now I'm going to keep getting my training with these other services and looking for a way to leverage it into a business.
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In the end, YNB is a clever marketing maneuver that will make some very rich selling to those who don't really understand what they are buying, and leave others no closer to having a real business at all.
There are so many places on the web to get internet marketing training that it's really never ending if you've spent any time out here at all looking around. Most of the training is all Monthly subscription based between $50-150/month. For these prices you get access to massive libraries of ebooks, webinars, videos, coaches, and on and on more than you could ever use. I know this because I'm a member of My Lead Sytem Pro that is $50/month and gives me access to more Internet Marketing training than I could possibly go through in my lifetime and they add to it daily - there is literally something new there every single time I log-in to look for something. You pay a monthly fee and keep learning as long as you need too, while looking for and building your business once you know what you are doing. And there are lots of these kinds of companies and I members from lots of them and they are all very similar, the same way regular universities are.
I suspect none of these companies ever felt you could package all this training the way YNB has because the "Training" market is so diluted and hyper-competitive, that these guys have to work extremely hard in the value they provide to maintain monthly subscriptions alone much less get 3k out of someone. It appears no one, accept YNB, thought there would be a market for bundling and selling all this stuff at once for 3k accept them.
YNB just delivered this concept to the marketplace in a different package: They charge you up front for all the training you could possibly ever need and wish you well in your new business adventure. Along the way if you find other people who buy into the concept of buying their training this way, then all the better, you just got a nice chunk of your investment back.
I can see how they came up with the idea and I can see why it works. It's the same concept with my college education of saying that I could earn a referral bonus if I got my friends to attend the university as well. If I got enough people to attend, I might be able to have my tuition paid for eventually. In the case of YNB, it only takes about 2 sales to break-even on your investment, so in that regard it's not so bad. You make 2k commission per sale and if you sold a whole bunch of Libraries, you could be extremely profitable. In fact you wouldn't even need to care about the training at all if you could sell enough memberships. In that regard YNB starts looking like a pretty smart idea if you can find enough people to buy their education this way. But with so many other companies targeting the "training" market, like MLSP and & Carbon Copy Pro, who offer monthly subscription based models, you're going to be limited to only those people who really don't know any better and that's not a position I like to sell from. In other words if a good friend came to me and asked "I know you've been doing a lot of training in this InternetMarketing area - I would like to do the same - where should I go?" I would be inclined to send him to one of the many monthly subscription sites and the gazillions of sites that offer FREE stuff, not YNB.
I guess for me it's just hard to buy into because I have piles of digital training sitting on my hard drive that I can't even find time to read. In addition, I subscribe to so many FREE websites that offer FREE training on every relevant topic to Internet Business under the sun. I'm sure I could do quite well to just be able to digest 1/10th of all the FREE stuff, much less paying for anything. I guess if I were a YNB rep I cold at least re-sell all this stuff for some money and maybe that's not a bad idea, but it's not going to happen.
I guess if I were smart, I would package up all this free stuff I have and continue to receive daily, and start a Network Marketing company. I could sell the packages for $2700 to compete with YNB and find others to re-sell it too. Maybe I could get away with that for awhile and make a ton of money, but for now I'm going to keep getting my training with these other services and looking for a way to leverage it into a business.
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So just to recap: The biggest problem with GPT ( Get Paid Today ) schemes is,... Drum roll please. Lack of follow up and support!!!
That's it! Simple!! Think about it you are a leader in the business, and you have signed up a lot of people into the biz. Where do you find the time to train and support the people you have just sponsered?
And say that you are a newbie. How do you train the new people that you have just brought into the biz?
Now I know that the groups within YNB in the UK ( Turnkey Marketing and I Net formally Jerimiah 2911 ) will say just plug into the system, follow the webinars, etc.. The reality is this: Your average person just wont do it!!
Why is this? The way I like to explain it is that it's akin to some one having gym membership and a personal trainer, and some one with a skipping rope and free weights in their bedroom. With the first example you have an environment for training in and someone motivating and coaching you in the right direction. The second example well try doing press ups with match of the day on in the background.
Unfortunately a lot of people are sold thinking that they will be in a learning environment with a lot of "hand holding" and encouragement. And some people get it, depending on who your sponser is. The truth is a lot of people don't get the support they need and they are left out like "orphans". The fact that YNB isn't 100% regulated leaves it open to Scam Artists, taking your money and leaving you high and dry.
Without sounding like a stuck record, I don't have a problem with YNB in theory. I just have a problem with the Scam Artist and their "bling marketing" , hyped up claims and empty promises.
If you are lucky enough to get a good sponser then it's possibly £3k well spent. However, if you get a smooth talking scam artist as your sponser then I fear that you would have been miles better off with an all inclusive holiday in St Lucia. Seriously!!!
That's it! Simple!! Think about it you are a leader in the business, and you have signed up a lot of people into the biz. Where do you find the time to train and support the people you have just sponsered?
And say that you are a newbie. How do you train the new people that you have just brought into the biz?
Now I know that the groups within YNB in the UK ( Turnkey Marketing and I Net formally Jerimiah 2911 ) will say just plug into the system, follow the webinars, etc.. The reality is this: Your average person just wont do it!!
Why is this? The way I like to explain it is that it's akin to some one having gym membership and a personal trainer, and some one with a skipping rope and free weights in their bedroom. With the first example you have an environment for training in and someone motivating and coaching you in the right direction. The second example well try doing press ups with match of the day on in the background.
Unfortunately a lot of people are sold thinking that they will be in a learning environment with a lot of "hand holding" and encouragement. And some people get it, depending on who your sponser is. The truth is a lot of people don't get the support they need and they are left out like "orphans". The fact that YNB isn't 100% regulated leaves it open to Scam Artists, taking your money and leaving you high and dry.
Without sounding like a stuck record, I don't have a problem with YNB in theory. I just have a problem with the Scam Artist and their "bling marketing" , hyped up claims and empty promises.
If you are lucky enough to get a good sponser then it's possibly £3k well spent. However, if you get a smooth talking scam artist as your sponser then I fear that you would have been miles better off with an all inclusive holiday in St Lucia. Seriously!!!
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I had been looking at YNB for some time, I was a bit put off when I attended a online conference and someone asked about selling the products and how many products were in the library, the man was nearly blasted off the conference and his questions were not answered, instead he was told by the person that it was only the business in a box that they sold, they did not sell the individual products. That started the alarm bells going for me.
The person that I was intending to join YNB under is away promoting another online opportunity, I did join this but was rather dissapointed to be told get a list of all your friends and family :|
I have now watched YNB over the last 2 years and most of the sponsers I had been looking at joining with are into other things and YNB no longer seems to be their main business.
The person that I was intending to join YNB under is away promoting another online opportunity, I did join this but was rather dissapointed to be told get a list of all your friends and family :|
I have now watched YNB over the last 2 years and most of the sponsers I had been looking at joining with are into other things and YNB no longer seems to be their main business.
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YourNetBiz reminds me of gambling. Pay a lump sum up front and hope you win big! That is not how you run a business. I personally would not want to be associated with a company that leaves a percentage of their customers highand dry like that! How can you build credibility with a reputation like that hovering over your head?
Also many online "businesses" in this day and age don't know the meaning of truth and integrity which is an awful shame. They think they can sit behind a computer and just con people out of money! Well personally I feel these people should be accountable for their actions. But even more importantly we need to be accountable for our ownselves that we are NOT putting our reliance on someone else's performance for our success.
We need to take responsibility for out own learning about our chosen field of business. We need to be the ones looking at past trends, future predictions and educating ourselves accordingly. You need to learn basic skills to enter most fields and work upon improving those skills and updating them inorder to be successful. Why does anyone think it is any different in an online business? If you want to be truely successful start from basics and work your way up. It does not have to cost a fortune. A domain name, an autoresponder and hosting are all you can start with. This way you can teach others in the future how to be successful in your chosen field instead of just becoming despondent when the MLM type business model collapses. It's about building true weath and that starts with your mind!
I am affiliated with Chris Farrell who got me up to a flying start so is something I can personally recommend from a beginners perspective. Here if anyone is interested in finding out more... my website is takeyourincome.com It takes hard work and focus which is what most people are not willing to put in and instead they rather pay a couple of grand into the air for the convenience of not having to understand. But that's when your gambling!
Also many online "businesses" in this day and age don't know the meaning of truth and integrity which is an awful shame. They think they can sit behind a computer and just con people out of money! Well personally I feel these people should be accountable for their actions. But even more importantly we need to be accountable for our ownselves that we are NOT putting our reliance on someone else's performance for our success.
We need to take responsibility for out own learning about our chosen field of business. We need to be the ones looking at past trends, future predictions and educating ourselves accordingly. You need to learn basic skills to enter most fields and work upon improving those skills and updating them inorder to be successful. Why does anyone think it is any different in an online business? If you want to be truely successful start from basics and work your way up. It does not have to cost a fortune. A domain name, an autoresponder and hosting are all you can start with. This way you can teach others in the future how to be successful in your chosen field instead of just becoming despondent when the MLM type business model collapses. It's about building true weath and that starts with your mind!
I am affiliated with Chris Farrell who got me up to a flying start so is something I can personally recommend from a beginners perspective. Here if anyone is interested in finding out more... my website is takeyourincome.com It takes hard work and focus which is what most people are not willing to put in and instead they rather pay a couple of grand into the air for the convenience of not having to understand. But that's when your gambling!
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