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[LicensedToTrade]

2) Only available for professional website builders to review.?

And what are the criteria for being a 'professional website builder'? Is that someone who manages to make money from web design or someone who is actually technically able and qualified to develop web sites?

Despite the fact that 'Web Designer' seems to be the most common profession on this forum, I could count on one hand the number of people who I would consider to be worth spending money on.

Some of the 'web designers' on here would have been laughed at ten years ago nevermind today.

 

[Matt1959]

Thoughts?

stick them in the non members area and make it so only posters with 100+ posts can ask for a review. Even the most avid spammers wont get that far! This then gives an element of a poster having contributed to the forum before being able to have a freebie....

 

[prince_capri]

And what are the criteria for being a 'professional website builder'? Is that someone who manages to make money from web design or someone who is actually technically able and qualified to develop web sites?

Despite the fact that 'Web Designer' seems to be the most common profession on this forum, I could count on one hand the number of people who I would consider to be worth spending money on.

Some of the 'web designers' on here would have been laughed at ten years ago nevermind today.

Well that is subjective and not for me to decide. I hope that powers that be can pick a 'handful' of web-designers and those in the know to review these websites professionally, and pay them with reward points or discounts on memberships.

 

[prince_capri]

stick them in the non members area and make it so only posters with 100+ posts can ask for a review. Even the most avid spammers wont get that far! This then gives an element of a poster having contributed to the forum before being able to have a freebie....

For some reason, I have always been very averse to 'total posts' as a criteria. It can never be moderated.

Let me give an example, I am member of a football forum where I have amounted over 8,000 posts. 90% of them are in the off-topic forum, which probably added to discussions about life, films, poker, women etc (you get the picture!). Now I could potentially hold so much more 'power' than a newbie who has made 100 quality posts on tactical formations and selection setup. Who do you think would deserve the right to be rewarded? Personally, I think its the guy with 100 posts and not me with over 8,000 posts. So I think this can always be misleading.

I think the 'thanks' system on this forum can be used very well if the board wants it to be.

 

[gemd89]

Personally I listened to every point made in my website review and implemented all changes. To the best of my ability. I am gratefull for those who took part. Nick

Me 2, whats the point in asking for a review if you aren't going to listen to the feedback.

Im sure people will agree since me asking for reviews my website from last september to now has got 100% better and thats from reviews and advice here!

Gemma

 

[gemd89]

Best to make it as an incentive for people to spend £40 -

So moderation what do you think? Open the review my website up so only paid members can post threads but so free and paid members can respond??

Gemma

 

[JohnnyCash]

Well that is subjective and not for me to decide. I hope that powers that be can pick a 'handful' of web-designers and those in the know to review these websites professionally, and pay them with reward points or discounts on memberships.

So how many hours do you think these people are going to have to put into what is now a semi-paid job, all to get a percentage discount off something that is only £40 a year in the first place? Do you think this is an attractive proposition for them? Looks to me like they'd easily be working for < £1 an hour!

 

[gemd89]

No prince - That is too complex a system. All thats needed is for the review my website section to be allowed free members to post on threads started by paid members.

Gemma

 

[prince_capri]

So how many hours do you think these people are going to have to put into what is now a semi-paid job, all to get a percentage discount off something that is only £40 a year in the first place? Do you think this is an attractive proposition for them? Looks to me like they'd easily be working for < £1 an hour!

I think it is yes. For me it would be. Depends how you see it (hence the subjectiveness!)

I like to give, I like to receive. The giving and receiving don't always have to be money. My time is not always equal to money. My time could mean goodwill for some people who are effectively looking for help.

I think you are seeing all this from the wrong point of view, money. I understand that most of us here are for money (well, I am here for kicks, to do something interesting, and then make money). so really, there shouldn't be free service, right? But every heard of NGO's (not that I am comparing thedo am here!). All I am saying is people contribute even without money; and sometimes people charge a lot yet still do a bad job. Its all subjectives. I can understand what I am suggested is difficult to implement (as Gemma pointed out!), but it is definitely better than inconsistent responses.

 

[prince_capri]

No prince - That is too complex a system. All thats needed is for the review my website section to be allowed free members to post on threads started by paid members.

Gemma

Sorry Gemma, I don't think I could wholeheartedly contribute to your thread then, if there is nothing in it for me. I know I talked about goodwill and all, but no can do; money is not everything and I would hope that after 4 years of flawless contribution, I am given more privileges than a newbie who is £40 richer than me.

The idea is that contribution should be mutual, not that free members can give but not receive. Then I think the system is flawed (or Capitalist). Well, flawless system is Utopian idea anyways, so don't worry, this could never be effected.

 

[Matt1959]

I think you are seeing all this from the wrong point of view, money. I understand that most of us here are for money

wrong way round I think! I think most of us are here for something to do or because its entertaining and some light relief

 

[JohnnyCash]

Sorry Gemma, I don't think I could wholeheartedly contribute to your thread then, if there is nothing in it for me. I know I talked about goodwill and all, but no can do; money is not everything and I would hope that after 4 years of flawless contribution, I am given more privileges than a newbie who is £40 richer than me.

The idea is that contribution should be mutual, not that free members can give but not receive. Then I think the system is flawed (or Capitalist). Well, flawless system is Utopian idea anyways, so don't worry, this could never be effected.

People will contribute because they want to help, because they're bored, because they want to show off knowledge, etc etc. Nobody is going to contribute because it'll earn them 20p off next years membership fees.

 

[prince_capri]

wrong way round I think! I think most of us are here for something to do or because its entertaining and some light relief

Glad I got that out. This is my point. We are here to help each other, not simply out-compete each other.

Johnny, I am not quibbling about 20 pence. Rather its the idea that my effort would be rewarded. It doesn't have to be obviously. But if I notice that my advice on websites really helping people, I would hope that I am offered means to seek out advice as well? Wouldn't you agree? Or should I only get when I pay for it? Then some other sucker will have to advice me and wait for his turn till he pays £40?

I want to contribute for the following reasons:
- Gain respect and appreciation (see incentives)
- Gain knowledge (discussion)
- Gain business

If I give and get nothing in return, I am sorry, no deal. I am after all not altruistic in nature, no one is! Why should free members asked to give and only get something (in this case) back when they pay?

 

[JohnnyCash]

Because there is no good way to manage it otherwise. If you said "free members who give other people feedback regularly, can post their own site review thread" how is that going to be policed? Its a lot of work for mods.

I think you are in the minority though, if you think offering people some sort of payment or discount is actually going to help increase contributions.

If you don't want to contribute anything at all without something in return, then a forum isn't the place for you - go find some paying clients.

 

[Matt1959]

this forum is a massive pool of information all mostly available free of charge covering nearly every aspect of an online or offline business - all there for the taking FREE!! I can't see how anyone could quibble about contributing for nothing given whats there to be had back:|

 

[prince_capri]

Well yes, the idea is very difficult to manage, no denying that. The system of letting paid members ask for review is simple, but hardly fair. I guess mods need to draw a line between functional and fair. So I do agree with you.

But please don't question about my contribution just as yet. I was simply giving an analogy on the unfairness of the system. If you don't believe me, read my last few posts, I believe I have been adding/discussing without getting much in return; probably even lost a few ounces of 'respect' from fellow members due to my veraciousness.

Edit: Sorry guys! I'm out of this thread, think I'm just adding fuel to the fire. Obviously, I would understand and follow whatever is decided. And if I feel my opinions could add something, I would definitely make it a point to add.

 

[KateCB]

There are probably more free members than paid - I was a paid member but didn't renew as I didn't see/get any benefit from it. The advertising more than pays for the site costs I am sure, and there are many 'professionals' on here who give away information for the good of others, so why charge people to then ask them for help?

Site reviews - never asked for one, wouldn't want one - the simple reason for this is that everyones opinion is different - even the 'web' professionals, so my guide is my competitors, other websites that I like the functionality of, feel of, look of etc, and I build from there - constantly 'tweaking' of course!

 

[MASSEY]

Looks like the admin have ignored this thread

Shame, some valuable business info in it for them...

 

[internetspaceships]

If you put the website review in the free section then your website "review" would consist of hundreds of "web designers" and "SEO experts" spamming the crap out of the reviewee offering their services.

*whispers* there arent many of these people paying for membership you know....

 

[JohnnyCash]

*whispers* there arent many of these people paying for membership you know....

815 when I added it up recently.

 

[internetspaceships]

Web designers and SEO experts?

 

[JohnnyCash]

Web designers and SEO experts?

At least count none of those could be located.

 

[internetspaceships]

Yeah Johnny that was my point. When I was a paid member my site got reviewed and there were a sum total of .. err.... 3

 

[Geoff T]

Most of the reviews in this forum are well thought out and are from experienced members, I don't do many reviews anymore due to time constraints but Fisicx and a few others respond to all posts and give brilliant advice which you could pay hundreds for if you went to them...

I was going to agree, but this post swung my vote...

If you want quality - it costs...

And Fisicx is a perfect example - he looks after my stuff, and he's worth his weight in gold, but doesn't charge it (but don't tell him as my renewal is due soon!)

The people on here are THE REAL DEAL... pay £40 and get help here, pay 00's or 000's on contract for the same thing... do the math... (also allowing that UKBF come with a built in "reality check / other POV" in the thread!)

...or pay peanuts, and live with the monkeys

 

[JohnnyCash]

The people on here are THE REAL DEAL... pay £40 and get help here, pay 00's or 000's on contract for the same thing... do the math... (also allowing that UKBF come with a built in "reality check / other POV" in the thread!)

...or pay peanuts, and live with the monkeys

You're living in fantasy land if you think free reviews on a forum are anywhere near even 5% of the benefit of hiring a pro to actually work for you.

 

[Geoff T]

You're living in fantasy land if you think free reviews on a forum are anywhere near even 5% of the benefit of hiring a pro to actually work for you.

Problem is you CUT the previous part of my post to make your point... I think you misunderstood my post to be fair... or did I, and there's more?

 

[JohnnyCash]

Problem is you CUT the previous part of my post to make your point... I think you misunderstood my post to be fair... or did I, and there's more?

I quoted exactly what you said - that you can pay £40 here and pay £1000's for the same elsewhere. Which was completely untrue. It sounded good, it was still horse **** though.

 

[internetspaceships]

*snore* *snore*

 

[Geoff T]

I quoted exactly what you said -

no - you didn't... not in context - I believe the phrase is "sound bite"

that you can pay £40 here and pay £1000's for the same elsewhere. Which was completely untrue. It sounded good, it was still horse **** though.

No again... some reviewers will offer to do it in ten's, some will charge 000's - depends on the customer... or would you charge any of the FTSE 500 co's £40 for a review?

and lastly...

(I ALWAYS reserve the right to talk horse **** - the beauty of an open forum!)