Wordpress, Joomla etc

[Naughty Vend]

Time to play catch for me...

What is the benefit of using Wordpress and Joomla or similar to build webpage content, is it for site ranking etc and what are the down sides of using such a system... requirement for update?

I've searched through the postings and can't grasp the point of it.

 

[chip_y2kuk]

Joomla is a Content management system, you can add plugins/ themes/ etc to make it do different things.

you may have to update joomla, however to update the content is as easy as going to http://yoursite.com/administrator - which providing you have an internet connection can be done anywhere.

i like joomla, and use it on my sites because of the simplicity. i find a template i like, i apply that template, the whole site changes i don't have to go and manually change every image/font/file etc to use the theme or modify the CSS

joe

 

[Faevilangel]

Time to play catch for me...

What is the benefit of using Wordpress and Joomla or similar to build webpage content, is it for site ranking etc and what are the down sides of using such a system... requirement for update?

I've searched through the postings and can't grasp the point of it.

Simplicity, you can edit your website within seconds from installing a new theme, making ammendments to your theme or changing your content.
Also you can integrate many tools in wordpress / joomla that will tweet and other nifty things when you submit a blog post.

It makes having a website so much more manageable, you don't need to rely on a web guy to change your website for you, and if you want to add more pages, add a new feature (forum, blog, twitter feed etc) then you can do that within a click of 2/3 buttons.

I always give the option of a cms website when quoting someone, it may be dearer than a typical html / css website, but the savings in the future will pay for that.

 

[Naughty Vend]

Thanks, it's just that I have several websites for products to create in the coming months and am strapped for the time to maintain them even though I am fairly familiar with "webby" stuff having designed our own site (see homepage link)... as you can see from the missing and half-arsed parts it is time that is my big issue...

I'll have a look at Joomla, seems like an option...

 

[Faevilangel]

Thanks, it's just that I have several websites for products to create in the coming months and am strapped for the time to maintain them even though I am fairly familiar with "webby" stuff having designed our own site (see homepage link)... as you can see from the missing and half-arsed parts it is time that is my big issue...

I'll have a look at Joomla, seems like an option...

Wordpress can run multipe websites from one install (wordpress MU) so would be easier for you
Wordpress would make it easier for you to keep it updated and you won't need to edit 1000 pages when making ammendments as it's all controlled by less than 10 files

 

[CraigieDD]

Wordpress can run multipe websites from one install (wordpress MU) so would be easier for you
Wordpress would make it easier for you to keep it updated and you won't need to edit 1000 pages when making ammendments as it's all controlled by less than 10 files

Just a note to say that you can run multiple Joomla sites from the one administration area too. ;-)

There's always going to be developers who prefer one CMS over the other. If you're site's are more "bloggy" I'd go for Wordpress. If you're looking for extendability through plugins then I'd plop for Joomla.

However, never let anyone tell you any CMS isn't capable of doing something another does. A good developer will come up with a workable, reliable solution.

 

[Zeal]

If you're site's are more "bloggy" I'd go for Wordpress. If you're looking for extendability through plugins then I'd plop for Joomla.

I'd say that used to be the case. WordPress now is an excellent platform full of functionality Just as much as Joomla.. but simpler

 

[webboy]

Wordpress 100% don't even think about using any other CMS system

 

[CraigieDD]

I'd say that used to be the case. WordPress now is an excellent platform full of functionality Just as much as Joomla.. but simpler

hehe... I knew that would happen. ;-) Like I say, developers each have their own preference. They all do a great job.

 

[Zeal]

hehe... I knew that would happen. ;-) Like I say, developers each have their own preference. They all do a great job.

The Joys of the interweb!

Just an example though: People said wordpress can't handle e-commerce... wrong I've just created one (well testing one) and it works a treat


If we all liked or agreed on the same thing - there'd be no moving forward! Each platform has it's own place respectively and are all very good at what they do

 

[webboy]

The Joys of the interweb!

Just an example though: People said wordpress can't handle e-commerce... wrong I've just created one (well testing one) and it works a treat

Wordpress can handle anything you want .. you just got to know php or java and a bit of mysql or know a person that has good skills.

Follow the the crowd also the leaders in this game, if everybody is using the Wordpress CMS platform continue to follow them as its a clue they all must be doing something correct.


If we all liked or agreed on the same thing - there'd be no moving forward! Each platform has it's own place respectively and are all very good at what they do

 

[geti]

Just a note to say that you can run multiple Joomla sites from the one administration area too. ;-)

Hi CraigieDD - That's interesting? I run a few Joomla sites, but I haven't come across mention of this before - could you give me more details please?

 

[CompitSystems]

Hi CraigieDD - That's interesting? I run a few Joomla sites, but I haven't come across mention of this before - could you give me more details please?

yes, its true, with joomla you can now do multi sites, all you need is a data sync component, to use the same data and users information, however you really need to look into haviong users agree to have their information shared on all your other or related websites, its a tricky one, but systems exist which enable you to do it

Drupal is another one which comes with built in multi site support, however installing and configuring such a system is not easy.

 

[CraigieDD]

Hi CraigieDD - That's interesting? I run a few Joomla sites, but I haven't come across mention of this before - could you give me more details please?

Sure, no problem. Depends on your setup but check out the Joomla Extensions directory here.

http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/core-enhancements/multiple-sites

 

[RedEvo]

Joomla or Wordpress, which one's best? They both are.....

The pissing comp over which one is best amuses me. It really is about what you do with Joomla/Wordpress/Drupal/etc not the software in and of itself.

d

 

[webboy]

This is my comment take it how you see it

How fast can you install the application
Which Search Engine likes the CMS system better
Which has more support

For me.. and i comment for me

I push one button and a image of Wordpress install is 3.2 sec fully installed configured (content) , tags and posts, and any fancy custom pages i stick in.

No cpanel Fantastico as this was script I wrote to do all the work
(sorry cannot share)

support not the best at times as wordpress has some hidden secrets which I had to to work out

Google loves wordpress feeds and site maps and get indexed under 24h's Flat so for me thumbs up.

I just follow the leaders and keep it going

quote=RedEvo;1296588]Joomla or Wordpress, which one's best? They both are.....

The pissing comp over which one is best amuses me. It really is about what you do with Joomla/Wordpress/Drupal/etc not the software in and of itself.

d[/quote]

 

[CompitSystems]

Joomla or Wordpress, which one's best? They both are.....

The pissing comp over which one is best amuses me. It really is about what you do with Joomla/Wordpress/Drupal/etc not the software in and of itself.

d

Sorry, we are not saying, Joomla is the best, dont get me wrong, every CMS is unique in its way, you need to choose one which best suits your business and what you want to do, I have done projects in Wordpress, Joomla and Drupal, DotNetNuke too, we choose a perticular CMS depending on what customer want, I guess thats the way.
cheers

 

[Naughty Vend]

Sorry, we are not saying, Joomla is the best, dont get me wrong, every CMS is unique in its way, you need to choose one which best suits your business and what you want to do, I have done projects in Wordpress, Joomla and Drupal, DotNetNuke too, we choose a perticular CMS depending on what customer want, I guess thats the way.
cheers

Would you mind posting a url to each type of project you have worked on? Good benchmark as the same design skill has been used to create two sites each with a different CMS in the background...

The multi-site thing is good, I've always had issue with that as running multiple Actinic Business sites.

 

[CompitSystems]

Would you mind posting a url to each type of project you have worked on? Good benchmark as the same design skill has been used to create two sites each with a different CMS in the background...

The multi-site thing is good, I've always had issue with that as running multiple Actinic Business sites.

what are you trying to achive, ???in terms of your project, I havent seen any one trying to use two different types of CMS for one project to make it a multi site, you need to use one CMS, either Joomla, Drupal for multi sites, as these are the 2 CMS which support multisites.

I cant give you the links for the projects I have worked previously as the copyrights does not belong to me, however,, you can have a look at these,
oops,, it doesnt allow me to post links yet, sorry guys,,,,

are all mine, they are all on joomla though, joomla is my favorite, as the extensions are great with joomla, wordpress is good too as the asthetics can be really good, drupal,,,is good in terms of functionalities and also extensions,,I am currently working on one very advanced project using drupal and multi site project concept.

please contact me on my website, I may be able to pass some links,, cheers

 

[amazestore]

I am completely new to developping what can i do?

 

[Stanley_Jones]

I am completely new to developping what can i do?

IMO you must first of all go through the various web development threads on this forum. This will give you a good idea about the current trends in the field. Then, you need to match the requirements of your clients with the latest trends and techniques. Apply the same to your project and present it.

 

[Wikki]

WordPress is only really a fancy blogging script, Joomla is very advanced and can do wondeful things with very little setup, perfect for websites. Its just a shame Joomla sites get hacked a lot due to bad coding.

 

[Zeal]

WordPress is only really a fancy blogging script, Joomla is very advanced and can do wondeful things with very little setup, perfect for websites. Its just a shame Joomla sites get hacked a lot due to bad coding.

All sites can get hacked.. not just joomla.

Wordpress is far from a fancy blogging script... See this hugeee list here. Baring in mind - not ALL plugins are available here

 

[Stanley_Jones]

@Zeal : Thanks for sharing the useful link.

Wordpress is undoubtedly a blogging platform which is widely used due to its simplicity. If you believe that Wordpress is secure, then you better take a look at this : http:// wordpress.org/support/topic/threats-in-wp-plugins

Yes ofcourse, I do not want to deny the fact that there are more number of reported hacks and attacks on Joomla, but proper coding can make Joomla an unbreakable website.

 

[webboy]

@Zeal : Thanks for sharing the useful link.

Wordpress is undoubtedly a blogging platform which is widely used due to its simplicity. If you believe that Wordpress is secure, then you better take a look at this : http:// wordpress.org/support/topic/threats-in-wp-plugins

Yes ofcourse, I do not want to deny the fact that there are more number of reported hacks and attacks on Joomla, but proper coding can make Joomla an unbreakable website.

Wordpress is secure

if you use very bad plug-ins you will may get hacked (yes) but all in all wordpress is safe to use.

You must bear in mind that any platform has it downsides and could get hacked if you do apply the necessary security measures.

 

[Zeal]

"ruddy nora"

Wordpress USED to be just a blogging platform - not any more It's widely used for it's simplicity indeed, but also it's flexibility

Html sites.. php.. asp.. net.. vbulletin... phpbb.. wordpress.. joomla.. drupal.. other cms... emails.. downloads..

NOTHING is 100% secure. As long as you do the needed research and act with caution, keep up to date with plugins / scripts / platform - then you'll most likely do just fine.

Quit scaremongering.

 

[Astaroth]

What is the benefit of using a CMS to build webpage content, is it for site ranking etc and what are the down sides of using such a system... requirement for update?

Sorry to paraphrase you but it removes the "my CMS is better than yours" type arguements.

The general benefit of using a CMS are that you can update your site from anywhere using nothing more than a web browser and generally need little technical skill to do so.

A wider benefit of using a popular CMS (not necessarily Open Source) is that out of the box it has a lot of functionality and more can be added through simple plug ins. Generally will be much cheaper than developing each of these functions individually.

A common argument is that you can update a whole site more easily but personally I would dispute this as you can achieve exactly the same with Includes/ MasterPage/ CSS etc.

Naturally with everything there is no clear cut "best option" as ultimately the use of a CMS also creates some negatives. Whilst no site is 100% secure, one on an identified CMS is going to be more prone to attacks/ holes than a totally bespoke system (same way that Windows PCs get more viruses than Macs - simply they are more common so more attractive for attack). Ultimately they also create a load on the server, for most sites not an issue but can be on massively over sold shared hosting or very busy sites.

I cannot think of a single advantage of using a CMS over static pages for SEO. There used to be disadvantages but most of the better CMSs have removed the poor URLs etc

 

[bobagump]

You cant compare Wordpress with Joomla.
Joomla has always been bugged like hell and has a dead/tiny community, compared to Wordpress.
Wordpress is pro - Joomla never made it there ( shame though ).
Its easy to use Wordpress as an CMS or whatever you like...with all the famous and well working plugins, and not driving it like an blog looking project.

 

[CraigieDD]

You cant compare Wordpress with Joomla.
Joomla has always been bugged like hell and has a dead/tiny community, compared to Wordpress.....
Its easy to use Wordpress as an CMS or whatever you like...with all the famous and well working plugins, and not driving it like an blog looking project.

Dude. What a closed mind you have. We work with Wordpress, Joomla and Drupal and can make them dance to any tune we want. A good developer can use any of these basic system to achieve the same goal. Some are better set up from the start for achieving certain things than others mind you.

Can you please post some facts that back up your unhelpful post?