Woolies. MFI. Who is next

KidsBeeHappy

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My children 4 & 6 know exactly where meat comes from, and i think that is the way that it should be, if you don't like to think of your food running around a field then go veggie.

The only reason that the animals are there is because they are bred for food. They are "farmed", and that is their purpose in life, sad and harsh, but true. Some cows are there for milk, others are there for beef. None are there to adorn the countryside.

I was well amused during foot and mouth when all the do-gooders were running around trying to save the baby lambs from the slaughter - where do you think they normally go????
 
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And re Tescos and the rest of the supermarkets;

Every Meat product must state it's origin on the label. (whether sold in a supermarket, a farm shop, a butcher, or even a market stall)
British grown food is clearly marked with the UK Tractor symbol. Meat & Veggies.

Only the consumer can be blamed for choosing not to read it/ignore it.
 
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My children 4 & 6 know exactly where meat comes from, and i think that is the way that it should be, if you don't like to think of your food running around a field then go veggie.

The only reason that the animals are there is because they are bred for food. They are "farmed", and that is their purpose in life, sad and harsh, but true. Some cows are there for milk, others are there for beef. None are there to adorn the countryside.

I was well amused during foot and mouth when all the do-gooders were running around trying to save the baby lambs from the slaughter - where do you think they normally go????
I think that they were trying to save the lambs because those lambs were the result of scores of years cross breeding to obtain a sheep that was best suited to thier part of the world. Bit like crufts. Once the lambs dissapear then you have no breeding stock to turn too. So the farmesrs had to start all over again from scratch. Most of the do gooders ( of which I am not one ) were not so much trying to save the lam, Rather they were trying to save the breed.
 
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I was well amused during foot and mouth when all the do-gooders were running around trying to save the baby lambs from the slaughter - where do you think they normally go????

That is funny. Perhaps the JCB's tipping them into a big ditch pushed them over the edge.

My children 4 & 6 know exactly where meat comes from, and i think that is the way that it should be, if you don't like to think of your food running around a field then go veggie.

The only reason that the animals are there is because they are bred for food. They are "farmed", and that is their purpose in life, sad and harsh, but true. Some cows are there for milk, others are there for beef. None are there to adorn the countryside.

Excellent that your children are educated. But the reality is that most people would not purchase meat that clearly shows a picture of the animal moments before death. Whilst it is acceptable to see a laughing cow on cheese, a photo of the animal (regardless of how cute/ugly they are) that faced the electricity on your sausages may not be so redily purchased by many.
 
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I think that they were trying to save the lambs because those lambs were the result of scores of years cross breeding to obtain a sheep that was best suited to thier part of the world. Bit like crufts. Once the lambs dissapear then you have no breeding stock to turn too. So the farmesrs had to start all over again from scratch. Most of the do gooders ( of which I am not one ) were not so much trying to save the lam, Rather they were trying to save the breed.


The farmers - yes I totally understand, and agree. Our local breed is that Galloway Belted, and there are drastically reduced numbers now. And I know that the lakeland sheep are a unique clever breed.

My point was from misguided the do-gooders, who held out to save individiual lambs/calves, all that gubbins about "pheonix the calf".
 
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quote=MikeH;722590]That is funny. Perhaps the JCB's tipping them into a big ditch pushed them over the edge.

Many many more were slaughtered through the normal channels at the slaughter houses than burnt.




Excellent that your children are educated. But the reality is that most people would not purchase meat that clearly shows a picture of the animal moments before death. Whilst it is acceptable to see a laughing cow on cheese, a photo of the animal (regardless of how cute/ugly they are) that faced the electricity on your sausages may not be so redily purchased by many.

But isn't this just misguided and naive. Back to the same arguement, lets just eat tripe that's been shipped all over the world using every means possible because we just don't want to think about it.

There are children out there that don't know that vegetables come out of the ground. When's the last time you saw a tattie in the supermarket with mud on it?

Many in the UK eat very poor diets, and it's not through lack of proper food its through lack of knowledge. So let's ditch the "cuddly" factor, and teach children properly about food, what's in, where it's come from, how we can use it properly in our diet.

The information is all there, it's simply that a lot of people just don't care about food. And not only is that sad, but it's dangerous, for the long physical health, and economic health, of our nation.

I think Jamie Oliver's Chicken Nugget moment should be shown to every child at school. One of the most honest bits of television that.
 
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The chickens one is an interesting point, and I only focus on it as its one of the few areas of retail where I've been on both sides. The chicken from Indonesia, or indeed a lot of our turkey meat which now comes from Brazil, was reared in exceptionally good conditions. Also, it wasn't a case of farmers being 'held to ransom' by westerners, it was a case of farmers starting up in exceptionally poor remote areas specifically to produce the birds, therefore the jobs were created by the western meat industry, not hijacked where they could be supplying locally, and created a much-needed income stream for the community. (This wasn't some eco-mentalist fairtrade company by the way, they are a huge multinational who were just interested in good business).

Conversely, I've been in some chicken farms in the UK which were horrendous and had far worse conditions, with minimum-wage employees who didn't give a monkeys. So as a consumer, I can buy chicken which is cheaper and reared to a good standard from abroad where because the job was so precious the people there really took care in their work, or from the UK which may be in exactly the same or worse conditions and is more expensive to boot. Don't believe the oft-repeated mantra that 'foreign' farming supplying supermarkets means poorer conditions for the livestock.

The chemicals argument is also somewhat hollow, as is the sometimes-used CO2 footprint where buying locally is considered greener. There was an article a while back, (BBC Focus science mag I think when they did a green issue, or maybe New Scientist, can't remember which) which compared the CO2 footprint of apples from Kenya versus apples from Somerset, being bought from a shop in the Midlands. Per apple - due to their production and volume the Kenyan ones had a much lower CO2 impact despite being flown and were pretty much exactly the same age when they arrived in the shop so were just as fresh. Also, growing fruit in a hot climate can use fewer chemicals than growing it here.

So, buying imported meat from a supermarket can mean providing jobs and an income for people who otherwise would be subsisting at best, can mean reduced CO2 impact and can mean fewer chemicals used. Its not always bad.

And for those posts who said importing chicken to the UK from Indonesia was madness, the Brazillian turkey market is huge now and is another a major source for meat import. However, the breeding stock for those chickens in Indonesia was coming from Peterborough, and almost all the commerical turkey produced in Brazil originates in Cheshire before going there and eventually the meat coming back here...! Now that truly is mad!

By the way Ashley - re: your time spent shopping. To be absolutely accurate, I don't often go to Tescos for my main shopping, they come to me, far easier... :)
 
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Maybe because they've been too greedy, one subway franchise a town seemed quite adequate, however even medium sized towns now seem to have three or four. Maybe because the master franchise keeps raking in the cash whilst the three or four franchises have to fight it out amongst themselves for business.
 
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Do YOU read the labels when you buy your chicken? Do you ask the butcher where it's sourced. Do you check for the tractor mark on any meat that you buy.

This where most of the supermarket chickens are coming from Indonesia and Malaysia.

And then they are sold as FRESH. Yep, definitly fits my idea of fresh :eek:

I haven't bought a chicken from a supermarket for more years than I care to remember. I've lived in the country all my life. Fresh chickens come from the farm 500 yards up the road as do my eggs, and bread from a local bakers.

I actually practice what I preach, I couldn't even tell you what price these things are in a supermarket. Sorry, but you're picking on the wrong person for an argument on that one. :)
 
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Out of interest, (well mine anyway), who knows anything about the architecture of their local Woolies? In Hastings, down the road, it is/was in a quite nice old Art Deco building with an good original staircase, (although all the other original fittings were nicked and eBay'd before eBay was invented). HQ in London is a fine 1950s style building with original fittings. Anywhere else?
I'm just wondering if all their buildings are heritage buildings, and this is symptomatic of their decline: they never updated or moved with the times, just relying on past glories.


...just don't mention the empire, huh?..
 
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Its funny how woolies etc is going down but people think if a shop like Virgin were to take its place they would do well.

A virgin shop (size woolies) selling Virgin:
phones
train tickets
holidays
intergalatic holidays
cola
holidays
more
and everything else virgin does

its seems virgin have a good brand image and could cash in on it

so if all down to brand image surely all those bif businesses going down need to invest some money in public relations.
 
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Out of interest, (well mine anyway), who knows anything about the architecture of their local Woolies? In Hastings, down the road, it is/was in a quite nice old Art Deco building with an good original staircase, (although all the other original fittings were nicked and eBay'd before eBay was invented). HQ in London is a fine 1950s style building with original fittings. Anywhere else?
I'm just wondering if all their buildings are heritage buildings, and this is symptomatic of their decline: they never updated or moved with the times, just relying on past glories.

lots of woolies stores are significant in their architecture. the one in Whitby has a shabby front (typical of woolies) but cast your eyes upwards to see 4 floors of what must be a victorian, red brick building with casement windows and white stone at the very top....woolies made a big fat mistake when they decided to decorate these buildings with slim glass and grey tiling..they should have gone for something a little more stylish and less likely to date..they sure stand out..but for all the wrong reasons! they appear to have slapped a facade on the front and its awful! they were stuck in the early 90's with their design thats for sure.
 
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Just a quick reminder

Some of these companies are not going into bust, just giving up...

Like wollies were using high amount of money via banks and was paying around 2-2.5 per year as interest, but i am talking about a few million pounds...

And was using that money for everything and the capital was quite low, as they did not want to use capital as a resource, ineterest rates were low and they were living this easy life...

The credit crunch banged the interest rates, and wollies understand with those figures they will lose money at the end of the year and gave up, plus the strength of pound wnet down whish has also effected their price structure

I think they could have stood up but they just let it go...

Thats what i have heard
 
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Do you think that there will be open spaces in the retail market once things pick back up again further down the line? That is based on more big retail giants going under.


What makes you think the retail market will pick up? I can't see it myself, the credit bubble has burst and now this is more a levelling out than a credit crunch... this is it folks.

But that said anyone that can keep it going will end up with far more sales and customers from those that don't make it through the storm.

I intend to weather the storm and diversify into smaller jobs and repairs if I have to.

But one thing is for sure it will never be like it was for many.........
 
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People find chnage very difficult to accept.......

The High Street is having it's last death rattle!!!

This was predicted years ago with the rise in internet shopping, Bluewater our local monster sized shopping mall, had it's busiest weekend since opening years ago, last weekend. There is a new shopping mall just opened in west London, the biggest in Europe.

The High Street as we knew it is dead, small trendy retail areas may survive, as may out of town industrial estates. Any retailer who takes on Woolies dilapidated buildings is a fool and will not last 5 minutes.

Welcome to the age of the interweb shop and out of town shopping malls, get a computer, learn how to use it and get a good car.
 
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do you know why the high street won't survive at all? because the flippin councils and tax people keep slapping additional charges on everything..have you rented a town centre shop? EXTORTIONATE doesn't even cover it..in whitby its around £20,000 per year rental and that doesn't include rates, services etc etc. i shudder to think what the rates are for the high streets in city centres!!!!!! this is what will finally push the small retailers over the edge...people like the occasional stroll out..they don't want to be strapped to a computer all day until they get square eyes! but the choices on offer in my town are shrinking rapidly..there wont be any point in going out soon..but thats 50/50 with the credit crunch and rates increasing to fund council housing/regeneration projects.
 
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Welcome to the age of the interweb shop and out of town shopping malls, get a computer, learn how to use it and get a good car.

Spoken like a true bloke that doesn't understand what women get from "real" shopping at all! We've had a great day today and I think I've got a few more devotees who appreciate how carefully I've chosen stuff and the fact they won't see every Tom Dick and Harry in it.

NB Something to note today was there were quite a few people responding to a mail campaign and a lot of recommendations. I'm really stepping up my marketing for next year as its undoubtedly going to be very tough.
 
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thats true maria...i'd forgotten about women and their shopping...my missus likes internet shopping but prefers the high street and out of town malls to try things on and go to pizza hut or burger king or go to the cinema after buying loads of tops that she doesnt need.

convert all your high street stores in to womens clothing shops and you'll be fine.
 
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We're in a small village....although en route to the various wine bars. The few days before Christmas were quiet, but women are canny, why would they pay full price when two days later they would be paying full price. We've reduced on average 20%, although in some cases less....the difference a sales sign in the window makes!
 
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Spoken like a true bloke that doesn't understand what women get from "real" shopping at all! We've had a great day today and I think I've got a few more devotees who appreciate how carefully I've chosen stuff and the fact they won't see every Tom Dick and Harry in it.

NB Something to note today was there were quite a few people responding to a mail campaign and a lot of recommendations. I'm really stepping up my marketing for next year as its undoubtedly going to be very tough.

True bloke eh?? Thank you darling me is well chuffed!!!

:)

Most of my mates consider me a bit of a poof, my wardrobe is larger than, Dawn French and I luv shopping, always buying 'stuff', clothes, tools or gadgets, can I get my fix down the High Street?? Not a chance!!

;)
 
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Comet made a heavy loss last quarter and there already low margins are eroding

in a wy its good to see all these retail giants go because it gives small indepeandant traders the opporunity to flourish and give their town an identity and character. Nothing worse than cloned towns with the sam eold chain stores everywhere. makes it so bland and tedious.
 
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the only problem is...if all of these big retailers go (which they won't really, they'll just be replaced by something with a different name) then you lose that 'darn it, need to get to woolies for a kettle' or the 'wheres a WH smith when you need one' <<< people know what these chain stores sell (roughly) without even needing to look inside..with small retail stores you dont know what they sell just by there name..you have to go and investigate..thats one of the reasons chain stores work so well..instantly recognised..like the Illy sign or McDonalds..you know what they sell and if your thirsty or hungry you tend to keep an eye out for a name you recognise.
 
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WH SMITHS there is possibilty of another one to go 6ft under. Everything is so just so expenisve in their in comparrsion to other book, cd, dvd and pens in other shops. With everyone cutting back on their disposable income and looker for cheaper options I would not be surprised.
 
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Do you really think these will go?

(I hope Burger King dosn't go...given the choice over McDonalds or KFC they always win;))

There used to be 2 where I live, but they closed down recently

well theres your answer to 'do you really think these will go?' :)

i dont think they'll go...not yet...there too convenient still, even with people cutting back they still like to buy pizzas and burgers..the pizza shop at the end of my road was packed till 4am new years day and is infact packed most weekends...if anything..its getting busier as its in such a convenient location near the bus and train stations.
 
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