Will The Next Leader Benefit Labour?

[MOIC]

Boris was doing the hard work for Labour, converting borderline voters (as well as staunch supporters) away from the Conservatives.

Who will the labour party hope gets to be the new Conservative leader?

Who will Labour fear most?

 

[Ian J]

Blimey. You start so many threads that I'm beginning to think that you're a bot

 

[MOIC]

Blimey. You start so many threads that I'm beginning to think that you're a bot

I'm a human (I think) that likes to engage in topical conversation and debate!

 

[Mark T Jones]

I think it's fairly conspicuous that the anti - Boris vote largely avoided Labour.

As long as Starmer is leader of the opposition Conservatives have a pretty good chance of winning

 

[MOIC]

As long as Starmer is leader of the opposition Conservatives have a pretty good chance of winning

It'll be interesting to see what Labour focus on, given that Boris is (nearly) gone. I suspect they'll say that the whole Conservative party is tainted by having Boris as their leader, no matter who is elected.

Their whole argument has been that Boris continually lied and know he's out, they may have to show their hand as to their policies.

Should be fun.

 

[MBE2017]

I do not believe anyone really cares who leads who, well the odd person does, but the vast majority have no faith in any political party or member.

Labour need to sort themselves out. I don’t think even the Labour Party know what they stand for anymore, let alone the voters. Captain Hindsight, Mr I will have pizza with my pint, is more Conservative than most Conservative MP’s. He is worth more than most of them as well.

 

[MOIC]

I do not believe anyone really cares who leads who, well the odd person does, but the vast majority have no faith in any political party or member

I think you're right.

The next PM, whoever it is, will have a thankful task to change anything around before the next election.

Labour need to sort themselves out. I don’t think even the Labour Party know what they stand for anymore, let alone the voters. Captain Hindsight, Mr I will have pizza with my pint, is more Conservative than most Conservative MP’s. He is worth more than most of them as well.

I think the far left will start making a move, Starmer won't have it all his own way from now on. He has had to do nothing and in fact has done nothing.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

I think that this type of macho politics has failed !
Thatcherism is the only option

 

[MOIC]

Thatcherism is the only option

The man has spoken!

 

[WaveJumper]

Labour who ..... oh the Queens opposition party, well they certainly not made a dent in anything so far what makes you think they will make any progress in the future. lets not also fall into the trap of thinking everyone was against Boris, if you listen to the press in this country, (who really were against him from the start) I think he was much more popular than they have made out. The worry is now in my book the conservatives actually have no one to replace him with who has any charisma or leadership qualities.

Maybe the press just run the country and our politics and we have just not realised it yet. as far as elections go its way off yet (unless one is suddenly slipped in quick over the next few weeks) and the general public will not make there minds up until a few weeks before and all this crap beforehand will have been forgotten.

 

[Ian J]

It'll be interesting to see what Labour focus on, given that Boris is (nearly) gone. I suspect they'll say that the whole Conservative party is tainted by having Boris as their leader, no matter who is elected.

Surely the same could be said of the whole Labour Party too as they are equally tainted by having had Jeremy Corbyn as their leader

 

[Ian J]

Maybe the press just run the country and our politics and we have just not realised it yet.

The media as a whole have a great influence on what the man in the street believes. The BBC political editors in particular are frequently quoting what some unattributable cabinet minister is supposed to have said to them in private which could well be true but equally could well be lies as the venerable Beeb now prefer to make the news rather than report it

 

[Mark T Jones]

Thatcherism is the only option

Yeah, she made the trains run on time!

Or was that Mussolini? I get confused.

 

[Mark T Jones]

Maybe the press just run the country and our politics and we have just not realised it yet. as far as elections go its way off yet (unless one is suddenly slipped in quick over the next few weeks) and the general public will not make there minds up until a few weeks before and all this crap beforehand will have been forgotten.

I don't think that's really ever been any different - what has changed is that the 'natural' sides have disappeared (working class vs middle class etc) - we now have politics of personality rather than party politics. That was a trend started by the grinning salesman Mr Blair but after 2 years of socialist conservatism there is no pretence of political difference.

 

[MikeJ]

I think it's fairly conspicuous that the anti - Boris vote largely avoided Labour.

As long as Starmer is leader of the opposition Conservatives have a pretty good chance of winning

Huge difference for an anti-Boris tory to vote for Corbyn compared to voting for Starmer though. For many people it really was a "none of the above" option in 2019.

 

[MikeJ]

Labour who ..... oh the Queens opposition party, well they certainly not made a dent in anything so far

Apart from being ahead in the polls you mean? The Yougov survey out yesterday showed Starmer ahead against every potential new Tory leader except Sunak. Which leads to the Mrs Merton question "What was it that attracted you to vote for the guy that paid you to stay at home for several months?"

 

[MOIC]

Surely the same could be said of the whole Labour Party too as they are equally tainted by having had Jeremy Corbyn as their leader

A few (2 or 3) did speak out against him . . . . . . . but he's still lurking, ready and waiting for momentum to raise their ugly heads.

 

[MOIC]

Maybe the press just run the country and our politics and we have just not realised it yet

I think Dominic Cummings has dictated the agenda over the past year or so. Without his bitterness, there would be no party gate or any other gate for that matter.

He's done what he set out to do. Not sure that Labour have thanked him . . . . yet.

 

[IanSuth]

I think Dominic Cummings has dictated the agenda over the past year or so. Without his bitterness, there would be no party gate or any other gate for that matter.

He's done what he set out to do. Not sure that Labour have thanked him . . . . yet.

And there were people who said it would happen the day he walked into No10, i doubt he has finished yet either.

As to the original question

Labour will love a BoJo minion like Truss, easy to point the finger and say "you were complicit and party to all he did bad"

They will hate someone new and charismatic rising from the ranks - like Rory Stewart in the last leadership contest. Maybe Tugendhat, but more about the fact they will be less tainted by what has happened recently

 

[MBE2017]

I think that this type of macho politics has failed !
Thatcherism is the only option

For all her many faults, you always knew where you stood and what her core beliefs were. She was a divisive character but a superb leader, who many would argue was the one required at the time to change the UK from being the sick man of Europe.

The UK see saws one way and then another, whilst the elites look on happy at how the public are so easily fooled into carping about small things, whilst huge problems remain unaddressed.

We now have a country where if you follow the system, you go to school, university or college, and most then work for a low salary, until they are almost seventy years old, to then be paid a low pension to small to “live”, after a life of wages which are too low to live on.

Meanwhile the elites have generational wealth and watch it grow increasingly fast whilst doing less than ever.

We need a leader of Maggie calibration ATM, but I haven’t seen anyone who would come close, from any party.

 

[IanSuth]

We need a leader of Maggie calibration ATM, but I haven’t seen anyone who would come close, from any party.

And as our politics drifts closer to the American model of he who has the largest war chest wins the election we are less likely to.

We need senior politicians driven by a set of inner beliefs that we can either get behind or not, not politicians driven by focus groups and whoever is stumping up the bill

 

[MOIC]

Durham police will not issue fines to Starmer & Raynor.

Shame, it would have been fun to see if they would have resigned.

 

[Paul Norman]

Having looked at the array of undesirables lining up for the job, I don't think much will change. Economic policy will favour boss over employer, and presumably that is what the voters want.

The national debt? Oh, that will continue to grow, offset by some form of massive devaluation of currency.

Will it benefit Labour? Nope. Starmer might get a turn, because he is not that different to a Tory in many ways, and no one will emerge who can explain how alternative structures in economics might work and the press still call every deviation from right wing thinking communism, and the readers still believe that.

I do not expect the UK to have a left leaning government in my lifetime.

 

[IanSuth]

Durham police will not issue fines to Starmer & Raynor.

Shame, it would have been fun to see if they would have resigned.

They are not just not going to be fined though

The Police statement makes it clear "No case to answer", the investigation was due to a complaint by those trying to defend BoJo

Following the investigation, the police have now said they would not be issuing any fines and no further action will be taken.

"There is no case to answer for a contravention of the regulations, due to the application of an exception, namely reasonably necessary work," the police said.

 

[MikeJ]

But that suggests it could have been reasonable to ask the question though. The "reasonably necessary work" is subjective, and what one person considers necessary, another wouldn't.

 

[IanSuth]

But that suggests it could have been reasonable to ask the question though. The "reasonably necessary work" is subjective, and what one person considers necessary, another wouldn't.

Nah, that would have been a statement something like "insufficient evidence that it breached the boundaries of the exemption", this is as close as you can get from a legal perspective to "stop being silly, this was covered by the rules"

 

[MOIC]

It took them long enough to determine the outcome. Too much evidence to sift through?

Can you imagine what the Labour Party would say if they found them guilty a day after Boris resigned?

Let’s give them a gold star each for obeying the rules, as they saw them.