Who see your hub info?

[UKSBD]

I just typed my IP into my browser and it opens up my hub info

Device I checked on is connected to hub/router via ethernet

Checked again on a mobile that is connected via WiFi and again see all hub info

Who exactly can see this? Is it anyone who can connect to the hub who can see this?

 

[DontAsk]

Set up the router password NOW. Whoever installed it without a password is an idiot.

Otherwise, you didn't simply enter your IP, and see "all your hub info".

 

[UKSBD]

It has a password, I have to enter the password to connect, as do all the mobiles in the house that has to connect to it

What I was asking is can any device which is connected (via the password) see all the hub details?

 

[DontAsk]

Your terminology is still lacking/unclear. To "connect", a mobile needs the SSID and WiFi password. To then get access to the "hub info" you need to know the IP address (usually easy to guess), username and password for the hub/router.

Only people in possession of the admin username and password can get into the router. These are usually written on the back of the router!!!

 

[Nico Albrecht]

virgin media hub? What happens if you disconnect phone, go on 4/5g and call ip address you still see the router landing page or via a proxy service? https://www.proxysite.com/

 

[UKSBD]

Your terminology is still lacking/unclear. To "connect", a mobile needs the SSID and WiFi password. To then get access to the "hub info" you need to know the IP address (usually easy to guess), username and password for the hub/router.

Only people in possession of the admin username and password can get into the router. These are usually written on the back of the router!!!

to connect a mobile to my router I only have to enter the wireless network name and the wireless password/key

Once connected to WiFi if I then enter my ip in browser it takes me to my hub manager

I can't do everything in there unless I enter my hub manager password, but can see lots of information

 

[UKSBD]

virgin media hub? What happens if you disconnect phone, go on 4/5g and call ip address you still see the router landing page or via a proxy service? https://www.proxysite.com/

BT

It only shows the hub info on devices connected to the hub (ethernet or wifi)
It requires a hub manager password to change settings, but still reveals a lot of information without needing an additional password

 

[Nico Albrecht]

It requires a hub manager password to change settings, but still reveals a lot of information without needing an additional password

That's why you setup guest wifi networks on your BT hub for friends etc... to prevent that from happen. Guest networks should be completely isolated from the rest.

 

[UKSBD]

That's why you setup guest wifi networks on your BT hub for friends etc... to prevent that from happen. Guest networks should be completely isolated from the rest.

I'm not referring to guests.
I'm reffering to just the household devices, mobiles, ipads, etc.

Looking in my hub manager I can see there are currently 6 devices connected, would all of those be able to see the same info I see from my ethernet connected PC?

 

[UKSBD]

Found the info here https://www.bt.com/help/broadband/f...bt-hub-manager/learn-about-the-bt-hub-manager

Just have to type 192.168.1.254 in to a browser from any device that is connected to see the basic hub info

You then need the hub admin password to make any changes.

I'm surprised by how much info that is revealed without using the admin password

 

[DontAsk]

I'm surprised by how much info that is revealed without using the admin password

So am I. Poor router design.

 

[ctrlbrk]

Just have to type 192.168.1.254 in to a browser from any device that is connected to see the basic hub info

If this IP is the one you meant when you posted 'I just typed my IP into my browser', this is not an IP that others can access from outside your household.

This is an 'internal' IP address. If I tried to access the same IP address on my PC the request wouldn't go anywhere other than the internal network managed by my router.

All IP addresses starting with 192 are not internet-facing.

 

[UKSBD]

If this IP is the one you meant when you posted 'I just typed my IP into my browser', this is not an IP that others can access from outside your household.

This is an 'internal' IP address. If I tried to access the same IP address on my PC the request wouldn't go anywhere other than the internal network managed by my router.

All IP addresses starting with 192 are not internet-facing.

Are you with BT Broadband?

 

[japancool]

Are you with BT Broadband?

It's the same for other broadband routers. Most will use 192.168.1.x or 192.168.0.x for internal IP addresses.

To find out your public IP address, google what's my IP.

 

[UKSBD]

It's the same for other broadband routers. Most will use 192.168.1.x or 192.168.0.x for internal IP addresses.

To find out your public IP address, google what's my IP.

I know my IP, that's the one I was initially using.

If you look at the link I posted earlier though, you can also use 192.168.1.254 to get to the BT Hub Manager

 

[japancool]

I know my IP, that's the one I was initially using.

If you look at the link I posted earlier though, you can also use 192.168.1.254 to get to the BT Hub Manager

Try it on a phone that is not connected to your wifi. It won't connect.

 

[UKSBD]

Try it on a phone that is not connected to your wifi. It won't connect.

I know, see post 7 "It only shows the hub info on devices connected to the hub (ethernet or wifi)"

 

[japancool]

I know, see post 7 "It only shows the hub info on devices connected to the hub (ethernet or wifi)"

So I don't see what the issue is. As long as you don't give out the key to connect to your hub, there's no problem.

 

[UKSBD]

So I don't see what the issue is. As long as you don't give out the key to connect to your hub, there's no problem.

I didn't say there was a problem (although I can see how there could be)

I just wanted to know if anyone who was connected to the hub could see the same hub info as what I see.

Here is just one example of potential problem

Couple in abusive/coercive relationship

Friend/social worker/abuse charity worker, etc. visits abused partner whilst abuser isn't there, connects to wifi.

Abuser checks hub when they get in and sees someone has connected to hub (possibly even naming the person who connected)

 

[ctrlbrk]

Are you with BT Broadband?

This has nothing to do with the ISP. Any IP address starting with 192.x.x.x - regardless of Internet Service Provider - is internal and cannot be reached outside of your router.

 

[UKSBD]

This has nothing to do with the ISP. Any IP address starting with 192.x.x.x - regardless of Internet Service Provider - is internal and cannot be reached outside of your router.

I didn't say it was.

I was asking if you have BT to see if you are seeing the same as me?

Do you have BT, when you connect do you see the same hub as in the link above?

 

[japancool]

Couple in abusive/coercive relationship

Friend/social worker/abuse charity worker, etc. visits abused partner whilst abuser isn't there, connects to wifi.

Abuser checks hub when they get in and sees someone has connected to hub (possibly even naming the person who connected)

What's that got to do with someone being able to see information without the password? An abuser is almost certainly going to have the hub admin password anyway.

 

[UKSBD]

Fair enough, if you can't see any problem in the fact anyone connected to a hub can access the hub and see the names of people who have also connected to it, that's up to you.

I'm really surprised that this can happen.

 

[ctrlbrk]

Do you have BT, when you connect do you see the same hub as in the link above?

Sorry, I must have misinterpreted your question - anyway, no I am not with BT.

 

[japancool]

Fair enough, if you can't see any problem in the fact anyone connected to a hub can access the hub and see the names of people who have also connected to it, that's up to you.

I'm really surprised that this can happen.

And where, in the above, can the names of the people who have connected to it be seen?

 

[johndon68]

Fair enough, if you can't see any problem in the fact anyone connected to a hub can access the hub and see the names of people who have also connected to it, that's up to you.

I'm really surprised that this can happen.

I’m currently sat in my back garden on my phone which is connected to my BT router. If I log on to the router and look at the list of my connected devices, the actual name of my phone doesn’t appear anywhere in that list nor do the actual names of the other two phones that I know are currently connected.

They are in the list but they are not easily identifiable…

 

[DontAsk]

Fair enough, if you can't see any problem in the fact anyone connected to a hub can access the hub and see the names of people who have also connected to it, that's up to you.

I'm really surprised that this can happen.

It can't on my TalkTalk router. I have to log in to see anything interesting. Like i said, it seems like a poor router design to me.

 

[UKSBD]

I’m currently sat in my back garden on my phone which is connected to my BT router. If I log on to the router and look at the list of my connected devices, the actual name of my phone doesn’t appear anywhere in that list nor do the actual names of the other two phones that I know are currently connected.

They are in the list but they are not easily identifiable…

This is what I see https://www.uksbd.co.uk/router-info/

 

[johndon68]

Mine is displayed differently, I suspect I have a slightly older version of the hub but the connected phones are definitely not easily identifiable in the list.

 

[UKSBD]

Mine is displayed differently, I suspect I have a slightly older version of the hub but the connected phones are definitely not easily identifiable in the list.

Thanks.

Hence why I am asking the quesstion, I'm trying to find out what other BT users see, and if they see the similar as me, do they think that is bad practice from BT?

 

[johndon68]

I guess you could argue that it should be behind a password but I’ll admit it doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

 

[Nico Albrecht]

I'm surprised by how much info that is revealed without using the admin password

Hence why I am asking the quesstion, I'm trying to find out what other BT users see, and if they see the similar as me, do they think that is bad practice from BT?

Oh, I see! You're just talking about some harmless public broadcast information that any ol' user on the network can access. It's like a party - everyone's invited, and the devices gotta follow the rules to keep things running smoothly. So what if your IP and Mac addresses are out there for everyone to see? Any IP scanner software or the likes of Wireshark can show these information It's like wearing your name tag at the party - you're just being friendly and helping everyone get to know each other.

But seriously, if you're worried about security, the real concern is that crummy BT router they gave you. It's like using a paper umbrella in a hurricane - not gonna do much good. My advice? Toss that thing and invest in a good router with a firewall. Trust me, you'll thank me later. That free router is about as secure as a marshmallow fortress.

 

[estwig]

192.168.1.254 is a very odd ip address to access your router from, that is right at the end of the ip address range DHCP will normally dish out. When you enter the password, it might redirect you to something like 192.168.1.1 which is the router login ip address.

I'm guessing here, but that looks like an address your router might use if you had an app to connect to the router, to access basic router info from. The app might also allow you to turn the kids wifi off, allow access for guests, that kinda thing.

As has been said, you need a better router mate, ISP routers are crap!

KM Tiger is the man for this kinda thing......

 

[DefinitelyMaybeUK]

192.168.1.254 is a very odd ip address to access your router from, that is right at the end of the ip address range DHCP will normally dish out. When you enter the password, it might redirect you to something like 192.168.1.1 which is the router login ip address.

The default BT router DHCP range is .64 to .253 - as others have said .254 is the norm for their routers portal and has been for years. Other routers are indeed .1 ?‍

 

[estwig]

The default BT router DHCP range is .64 to .253 - as others have said .254 is the norm for their routers portal and has been for years. Other routers are indeed .1 ?‍

Fair enough, I should've known BT would something odd.

 

[Nico Albrecht]

Fair enough, I should've known BT would something odd.

There isn't a rule that says explicitly "use the last IP on the subnet for the router".

You might as well use the middle one, but one thing that needs to be true is consistency. Its easier to remember the default gateway if you use one consistent way to assign them.

Further, assigning them either at the end or at the beginning makes it administratively easier to assign DHCP ranges etc.

 

[estwig]

There isn't a rule that says explicitly "use the last IP on the subnet for the router".

That isn't what I said

 

[Hooble]

I just typed my IP into my browser and it opens up my hub info

Device I checked on is connected to hub/router via ethernet

Checked again on a mobile that is connected via WiFi and again see all hub info

Who exactly can see this? Is it anyone who can connect to the hub who can see this?

With BT I believe its only possible to access this if your connected to the network on site. They dont have this page open to the Internet. But it is worth changing the password as the BT Routers do have the login details on a plastic attachment from what I remember last seeing one.