What Is Network Marketing

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WHAT IS NETWORK MARKETING (A.K.A. MLM)


Network marketing is a teaching & mentoring business. It’s not a recruiting business. It’s a relationship business. A network marketer doesn’t recruit people in to his business, otherwise, he builds relationships. Therefore, an MLM company is a company that is people-and-relationship-driven with good products or services & good management.

Every single company that is NOT people-&-relationship driven, no matter how good its products or services are, no matter how well-managed, will either go broke or struggle to keep its head above water.

The product in MLM industry is people. So study people. Find out how you can help them reach their dreams.

Here is another fact all networkers need to understand: People join people, they don’t joinbusiness. Build people. People will build the business. When you build people, your retention rate goes through the roof.

THE LIE ABOUT MLM

The Hitters tell you, “It’s Just a Numbers Game.”

THE TRUTH ABOUT IT

People are people – not numbers. They have goals, dreams and desires.
They are mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, grandmothers, and grandfathers to someone that loves them. They are not a number, but real people.

If you treat them like a number, I promise you: you have NO future in network marketing.
This lie teaches people to be a recruiter, not a sponsor. Recruit, recruit, and recruit.
Numbers, numbers, numbers. Lies, lies, lies.
A recruiter never knows their personally sponsored people. “WHY?” Or their dreams, goals, or spouse’s or children’s names. It’s only about numbers.
To succeed long-term, you need to become a mentor with a servant’s heart.
When you do, people will ask you to PLEASE sponsor them into your business.
The fact still remains the same - Build people and build relationships. This is just the only tool you need to become a successful networker.


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cmoney

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I could not agree with you more. It is not a numbers game. We are all individuals with different goals and dreams.

Some people really love their job and just want to spend their spare time with their family. Just like some people don't mind being overweight or spending lots of money on long distance phone bills.

The key to sucess in network marketing is to market to people who want to earn more money and take control of their lives, or people who want to lose weight, save money on their phone bills, or whatever the service/ product may be.

Once you have marketed to these potential customers in a way that they come to you, then most of the battle is won.

Before I sign off I just want to ask any one out there, has any one had any experience with Mike Dillard of Magnetic Sponsoring? Does his techniques work here in the UK?
 
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Hi Cmoney, yes I bought the Magnetic Sponsoring pack from Mike Dillard and although his techniques do work worldwide for the following reasons, I'm afraid I was, personally, somewhat disappointed. The techniques he described were not groundbreaking by any stretch of the imagination and I can sum up in literally 5 words his whole theory. His advertising for the techniques he sells was persuasive enough for me to buy his literature but I was not impressed with what I had received as it is simply a generic idea that anyone could come up with themselves and is indeed so generic that it would work anywhere in the world but I personally think it is just not as potent or as amazing as he makes out. Whilst he is an excellent marketer and his advertising for his techniques is captivating, his ideas and techniques themselves are not revolutionary and I would not recommend his book - it is a spiral pad of padded out pages saying the same 5 words over and over but in different phrases.

I don't want to say anything bad about the guy and certainly wouldn't give away his "secrets" here but if you want more information please PM me.
 
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:) I think a certain Mr D would be more disappointed than I was if I revealed that! Unfortunately, that is the crux of it and he has made an absolute fortune by padding out the book in the way that he did, it might as well have been written on a business card. His testimonials that I read before I bought it and throughout the book itself amaze me - the concept is so simple that I had already been doing it before his breakthrough came about. I'm not of course saying "don't buy it" and there is some merit in his "secret" but for me personally, I was disappointed as it was not so much of a secret at all, more common sense, and as such I felt that it had been to an extent misadvertised.
 
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cmoney

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So you do not think that Mr Dillards tactics would work over here in the UK. The reason I ask is because I noticed that most of the so called mlm gurus/trainers reside in the US. Thats fine, but I've noticed from the few times that I've been to the states that the mindset over there is very different. In a nutshell I am looking for a system where:

1 Don't have to pester friends and family (been there, got the T shirt)
2 Something that is very duplacatible to pass down to a downline
3 A system that can integrate into any mlm out there
 
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So you do not think that Mr Dillards tactics would work over here in the UK. The reason I ask is because I noticed that most of the so called mlm gurus/trainers reside in the US. Thats fine, but I've noticed from the few times that I've been to the states that the mindset over there is very different. In a nutshell I am looking for a system where:

1 Don't have to pester friends and family (been there, got the T shirt)
2 Something that is very duplacatible to pass down to a downline
3 A system that can integrate into any mlm out there

They would certainly work worldwide, but are not specific to any MLM or indeed any business - his idea is totally generic and one that you will see supermarkets doing every day - every single day by every single supermarket. He does not have a "system" at all, he thought of something that anyone could think of, I myself had been using the exact same tactic prior to purchasing his literature, and as such the fact that he claims to be the only one to have thought of this is misled and is certainly not unique to him. His talent in marketing it as a system that is unique is profound but also, I believe, misleading. It is just an idea that you will see most companies already doing and I'd be surprised if he patented the idea itself as opposed to the name as I would not have thought that would be possible. It took 8 weeks for the book to arrive, when it did it was damaged even though there was no marking on the packaging and the information itself as I say was just repeated over and over using different terminology whilst being peppered with gushing testimonials and of how Mike Dillard came from a background portrayed as horrific - "I used to be a waiter" is the main crux of this portrayal!

Perhaps I am being harsh and others may disagree - after all if the testimonials are anything to go by then many think of his techniques as huge revelations. But for anyone with prior business acumen I feel this is not so and even though I am no longer involved with MLM I still use the "system" I had been using for a long time before I had even heard of Mike Dillard that is generic, wrongly attributed and one that many people will already be doing prior to spending the $49 or however much he asks for now for the 49 pages of anti-climax.
 
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cmoney

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I agree with you Cybamart, so many of these so called mlm/ internet marketing gurus believe that they have all these "secrets".

However, you said any one with prior business acumen would know everything that Mike Dillard is talking about. The truth of the matter is most people coming into mlm are not working the business as a business. Not surprising really when you look at the way that it is promoted.

A lot of people have signed up on an mlm deal after attending some sort of "rah rah hype" meeting in a hotel, or they saw some "drippy, glossy" video/ marketing piece on the net.

The trouble with this type of promotion is that it leaves most people all pumped up initially, they run out with no direction on how to talk to their friends and family, or even more importantly how to generate and convert leads.

What happens next is that they get rejected by their warm market a couple of times, they lose interest. Or they lose money with wacky marketing ideas (buying dud leads, ineffective ppc etc), and they get mad.

I have met people that are making a good living mlm, but these are business people. Most people involved with mlm aren't business people, hence the high failure rate 95%.

You are obviously a business person Cybamart so you have no need for any of the information that is being peddled out there in cyberworld. The truth of the matter is a lot of people out there need proper training, because they are not getting it from their uplines. The guys making the big money in mlm are not using conventional mlm methods. Sadly everybody else is.
 
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Hi Cmoney, thanks so much much for your reply - I only wish I was how you protrayed in your message! On the contrary, I bought the Magnetic Sponsoring because I was involved with an MLM and Mike Dillard's advertising was so potent that I was enthralled; I needed advice on how best to direct my MLM business and believed from his advertising that I had found it; but I had not.

This was in no way because I already had all the answers - far, far from it - but because Mike Dillard's book is so based on a hugely basic theory that anyone would know even if they knew NOTHING of business. As I say, supermarkets use the same tactic each and every day and regardless of whether you have any business acumen or not, nothing Mike Dillard says is groundbreaking or worthy of the belief he has found the answer to MLM success.

I stress, I was not personally any more au faít with the world of business than anyone else and I too needed assistance when starting off in an MLM venture (that sadly ended after my commission cheques from the company bounced and they refused to pay the bank charges I incurred as a result and the company lost much integrity in my eyes) but the fact is that everyone already knows Mike Dillard's "secret" regardless of business skills or lack thereof and as above the whole book truly could be written on a business card summed up in 5 words.
 
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1 Don't have to pester friends and family (been there, got the T shirt)
2 Something that is very duplacatible to pass down to a downline
3 A system that can integrate into any mlm out there
cmoney's 3 wishes are about to come true.

Also although it comes from the US - it is a universal application

It therefore is working like a dream for this UK based marketer.

Number one: Never pester family and friends

Lead by example - in other words when they see the fella or girl who has been taken to the cleaners more times than a spilled curry take away, actually bring home the bacon, pay for the family holiday, think nothing of supporting a family member with the heating bill, then the family and friends are going to rearrange their preconceptions and ask what it is that is going right and can they have some of it.

My mentor who shows me the light made millions in the leads generation industry, In fact he was arguably the world's finest. When he re-entered the Network Marketing arena - not for having to but because the products were so mind blowingly written in success - his friends and family said the same as many have heard....

Come back to us when you have made 10 grand.

He used his system he had developed in the leads industry and appeared again three weeks later phoning all 30 doubters. They asked if he had made 10K - he truthfully said NO - he had actually made over 50K. They all joined immediately.

Can you do that? Of course. Will you ? It's up to you

There are no absolutes except dedicated commitment.

Number two:

What he did and does is 100% duplicatable. I know I duplicate it and so do the rest of our team....

Number Three:

It can be integrated into any business - period...but one caveat....it is only available to those who are in our team....well what do you expect...it is freely given. None of us are that interested in other competitive opportunities.....but certainly can duplicate it in any field that compliments this success.

Let me know if you are interested:

0701-423-2456

But it at least answers your three wishes and I am no Genii
 
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cmoney

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I agree with you Gary. There are just way too many spammers on forums these days.

They make a couple of posts and then plaster their links to their puke sites. Come on guys! This type of behaviour isn't cool. It's what gives internet marketing ops and internet mlm ops a bad name :mad:

If your going to write something, then write something of value, ie answering someones concern on the thread.
 
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Network marketing is a teaching & mentoring business. It’s not a recruiting business. It’s a relationship business. A network marketer doesn’t recruit people in to his business, otherwise, he builds relationships.

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That reads like a con-man's manifesto.

The best Network Marketing equation consists building relationships with people that share a common goal.

That goal is to help each other succeed and make a good, healthy andprofitable business. That is achieved in the best cases where a lot of people do a little and ll those 'littles' benefit the whole.

Where there are imbalanced businesses that do not allow everyone to benefit from the team effort, this is where people fall down and hearts and minds are sullied.

It is right to say that NM needs to be a mentoring and teaching platform as well. For without it there are a lot of participants who quickly feel left hung out to dry.

It is the Pay it Forward principle in action. Relationships are important and are core (close and good relationships) are what sponsors team work.

Yet recruiting in its purest form is the search for those that resonate with the best principles enshrined in Networking. This by its very description will entail going through a quantity of prospects before finding those who resonate with the ideas the products the ethic and the same determination to become free of constraints that have held them in financial stricture.

Not everyone has the same goals and aspirations - this small forum is a testament to that - so doing the numbers is about finding those that are serious and aligned to the business.

It has always been a source of fascination how one person can be presented with something and see a rich seam of potential and and another shown the very same proposition and view it as some sort of curse from a con man.

One thing I have understood in depth over my many years on this earth is that perception is both the sharpest sword and the bluntest instrument. Which it is, relies on the conditioning, experience, baggage and habitual patterning of the perceiver.

Less reaction and more considered response mixed with a healthy dollop of respect, graciousness and due diligence would eliminate much ignorance and ill-informed bigotry and ultimately lead to sharing useful and informed discussion.

However nothing but nothing beats action that leads to success and on that note I sally forth to action across the time zones.

Respect to all and to your ultimate success....
 
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"My mentor who shows me the light made millions in the leads generation industry, In fact he was arguably the world's finest. When he re-entered the Network Marketing arena - not for having to but because the products were so mind blowingly written in success - his friends and family said the same as many have heard...."

Jonathan, just out of curiousity, who is your mentor? My partner and I have a combined 60 years in the industry and are considered top industry leaders in the U.S.

Chances are we know this person or at least of them...
 
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I can't believe the amount of pure drivel in the last two posts. Talk about giving a bad name to networkmarketing!! A good business does not need all this smoke and mirror treatment. It's insulting to intelligent business people. You will do much better if you show your prospects more respect.

Network marketing has a tough time in the UK.

1) We can buy everything we need in the shops and therefore don't need to buy it from distributors or through party plan

2) Bugging your friends is seen as thoroughly nasty

3) No-one likes hard sell

... and don't give me all that "don't need to bug your friends" stuff when what you're doing instead is bugging other network marketers or forum members. Been there, done that. I've run very big network marketing teams and a big information site and forums.

Why did I give it all up?

1) Two companies folded on me (any company is only as good as its last cheque)

2) I got fed up with doing the work for the downline

3) I got sick of being despised by everyone.Network marketing has zero kudos in business and even the "I make $60k a year" brigade are only respected by their peers.

I made money but what a depressing way to do it. I look back on it as a colossal waste of time.












.... of course those with mentors will now label me as "afraid of success", "too negative" and other patronising garbage.
 
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I can't believe the amount of pure drivel in the last two posts.

A personal opinion - no comment



Talk about giving a bad name to networkmarketing!! A good business does not need all this smoke and mirror treatment. It's insulting to intelligent business people. You will do much better if you show your prospects more respect.
I do not talk about giving NM a bad name, there are too many people trying that already.

What we need to talk about is the excellent business sense in NM.

The best ways to promote collective team work helping the individual and team


Network marketing has a tough time in the UK.
Sure does with all the drivel talked about. Few people really understand the essence of NM and they prattle on about how it is Pyramid marketing. That just highlights the lack of understanding of a) what Pyramid Marketing is and b) what NM is. They are poles apart

One label for all is the sort of profound drivel that continues this ignorance

A good education on true NM is what is sorely needed.

I will in the next few months be holding some round the UK talks on this very subject with the likes of Branson and others to encourage this very sound business model.

It is well time that the cobwebs, conmen and cowboys were run out of town and the proper modality given its rightful press. The UK needs to wake up to the New Economy


1) We can buy everything we need in the shops and therefore don't need to buy it from distributors or through party plan
Not true but believe that if you will. For one our product ranges are not available that way and are unique and the only ones of their kind.

Sold through outlets such as health clubs, salons, health centres, small personal outlets, internet and distributors they have a large exposure.

2) Bugging your friends is seen as thoroughly nasty
You bet it is and the quickest way to lose them.

No need to bug or bother. The soft sell is the best sell but until someone shows you how you end up desperately screaming in your friends and family's ear.

With someone who can guide you in the best practice and the proper way and approach, the bugging dies a death

3) No-one likes hard sell
They sure don't. That is why one should never resort to it

... and don't give me all that "don't need to bug your friends" stuff when what you're doing instead is bugging other network marketers or forum members. Been there, done that. I've run very big network marketing teams and a big information site and forums.
Well then you should understand that sharing with others is a growth experience and learning

Why did I give it all up?
So here is the rub

1) Two companies folded on me (any company is only as good as its last cheque)
I send my condolences for the companies fiscal ineptitude. Many fail in their first few years for this and many other reasons. That is
why a whizz bang new off the press company is one to steer miles clear of.

Once a company has proved itself with at least 5 years under its belt it is worth scrutiny but even then due diligence must be finely observed

2) I got fed up with doing the work for the downline
Ah, the shortcomings of a decent comp plan. You see I positively encourage and engage myself in supporting and helping my downline that they become even more successful than I. Because they win, I win and everyone upline wins.

Now if you have a persistent refusal to do the work and take action then it is just a case of letting them do it their way, since they feel they know best.

Not a lot of companies adhere to this golden success rule. Often because the comp plan fails to reward this behavior. Bad deal for all

3) I got sick of being despised by everyone.Network marketing has zero kudos in business and even the "I make $60k a year" brigade are only respected by their peers.
Why pray did "everyone" despise you? If I meet anyone who is closed to the idea of residual income and the best pay plan to financial freedom that any good NM offers I just move on.

Never take it personally. That is the trick. It is not you, it is they who are stuck in the old school mentality and JOB ethic or have taken in the misinformation on NM

I have found in my experience that people are intrigued as to how those that manage 5,6 or 7 figure incomes have been able to get there.

You do not have to trumpet your income hoping to get business. However if someone who is starting out wishes to know how another has made the grade it is incumbent on that person to share how it can be done and offer the template

Thus a success template is just that in its resultant goal - successful

I made money but what a depressing way to do it. I look back on it as a colossal waste of time.
Well you made the right decision - there is absolutely no point in being miserable making loads of money.

For myself if one is selling anything it is..... a journey together of health wealth and happiness and fun.

If life cannot be fun then one needs to get a life.....

I have huge fun developing my life and financial freedom

.... of course those with mentors will now label me as "afraid of success", "too negative" and other patronising garbage.
What is the point of patronizing you.... I feel for you and am convinced that your experiences will find you on the path of your true vocation and happiness because of these experiences, not in spite of them.

All I would say is do not waste time on what others may or may not think do or say. What is most important is what YOU do, say and accomplish.

You are the only one that knows where you want to be...and I wish you God speed and a fair wind

Jonathan
 
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Wow, I must be really important. This guy feels the need to quote everything I say. Let's take his points one by one .... Oh no, silly me, no-one actually cares about NM on this forum and we all have better things to do so we won't bother. For a start we have to worry about all those essential products you can't get in the shops and how dowe manage without them.

"Sharing" is the biggest nonsense of all. It's selling. And using any personal relationship to make sales is very poor business and very bad social behaviour.
 
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Arcadian, you are absolutely right - you are important.

You are engaging in a very useful exchange

I respond to each of your points because they are relevant, they matter and your take on these things is of interest and meaning.

That we may not agree with each other on some things is not what matters.

(Reminds me of a saying my father used to share - "I may not agree with what you say but I defend with my life your right to say it")

It is the fact that we are sharing our viewpoint and that sharing is on an open forum where anyone who cares can also drop in their two pence worth.

I agree wholly that a week on a longboat is bliss and tranquility personified, though for me the greatest freedom is being able to get out of the way and let let life reveal its true purpose, without me interfering.

The times that I have found that most apparent, is in service to others.

Sharing be it on a forum, face to face, or whatever other means can be part of that. Personal relationship is what it is all about.

If someone does not feel a connection to another then communication is an uphill struggle.

Meet someone and connect with them where they are at - and that is start.

It works for me and I build relationships on that. Whether these relationships become part of my team is not up to me - it is up to the where that other person wishes to be.

Whether someone joins with me and builds is never going to change what I am doing and where I am going. But if they do they are sure going to get all the support and help that they want or need because they are part of a team, a plan a shared vision.

It works for me and that is why I carry on.

It may not work for you, but that is OK..... you have your own journey and plan and all I can wish for you is that all the very best comes into your life and fulfills you.

Jonathan (This guy)
 
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