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    The UK variant was only identified a couple of months ago!

    I think you must be getting it confused with something else Cyndy?

    I read a couple of weeks ago (I think it was someone from the WHO) saying the UK variant will likely become the dominant variant in the world in the next few months. Like I say - we've had to have lockdowns and vaccines to deal with what was certainly one of the hardest and most infectious variants so far. Plus we are close to getting through our winter. Hence we are well well ahead of the game compared to other countries now. Who are now struggling to deal with it sadly. Positive for us. Negative for other countries.

    But we HAVE to stay alert for new variants ourselves.

    What is the UK variant of coronavirus?
    The UK variant of coronavirus is called B.1.1.7. or B117. It was first discovered in Kent in September 2020 and was linked to a sharp increase in cases in the UK. This variant is now a dominant strain in the UK and has spread to over 70 countries.

    Is the UK variant more deadly?
    Recent studies show it's likely that the UK variant of coronavirus (B117) is linked to a higher chance of hospitalisation and death than the original strain.
     
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    Fast-spreading Covid-19 variants surge through Europe
    Issued on: 06/03/2021 - 15:33

    The so-called U.K. variant is spreading significantly in 27 European countries monitored by WHO and is dominant in at least 10 by the agency's count: Britain, Denmark, Italy, Ireland, Germany, France, the Netherlands, Israel, Spain and Portugal.

    It is up to 50% more transmissible than the virus that surged last spring and again in the fall, making it more adept at thwarting measures that were previously effective, WHO experts warned.

    “That is why health systems are struggling more now,” Kluge said. “It really is at a tipping point. We have to hold the fort and be very vigilant.”

    In Lombardy, which bore the brunt of Italy’s spring surge last year, intensive care wards are again filling up as more than two-thirds of new positive tests are of the UK variant, health officials said this week.

    After putting two provinces and some 50 towns on a modified lockdown, Lombardy's regional governor announced tightened restrictions on Friday and closed classrooms for all age groups. Cases in Milan schools alone surged 33% in a week, the head of the provincial health system said.

    The situation is dire in the Czech Republic, which registered a record-breaking total of nearly 8,500 patients in the hospital with COVID-19 this week. Poland is opening temporary hospitals and imposing a partial lockdown as the variant has grown from 10% of all infections in February to 25% now.

    Kluge cited Britain’s experience as cause for optimism, noting that well-considered restrictions and the introduction of the vaccine have helped tamp down the variants there and in Israel. The vaccine rollout in the European Union, by comparison, is lagging, mostly because of supply problems.

    In Britain, the emergence of the more transmissible strain sent cases soaring in December and triggered a national lockdown in January. Cases have since plummeted, from about 60,000 a day at the peak in early January to about 7,000 a day.
     
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    I think it's safe to say we are in a much better and stronger position than the rest of Europe right now.

    Full credit to our scientists, our vaccine producers and our decision makers is due as things stand.

    So easy to criticise but if you lived anywhere else in Europe at least you would have a lot more to criticise and worry about right now.

    Of course we need Europe and the rest of the world to beat this as well.

    It's a global effort
     
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    Of course we need Europe and the rest of the world to beat this as well.
    Well, they have a better chance of doing so now that they've decided that the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is not, in fact, quasi-ineffective in the over-65s, and I believe the Germans are now adopting the same 12-week gap strategy as the UK.
     
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    Well, they have a better chance of doing so now that they've decided that the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is not, in fact, quasi-ineffective in the over-65s, and I believe the Germans are now adopting the same 12-week gap strategy as the UK.

    Wow - we are even better than the Germans at knowing what to do - let alone the Swedes!

    We lead and the rest follow!
     
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    I think you are referring to what was originally termed the kent variant. That was discovered in September last year, so more like 6 months.
    Thanks, time flies when you're having fun!

    Does anyone know when that variant first appeared in other European countries?
     
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    And we are now finding out we've had 6 months having to deal with a variant 50 per cent more infectious than the first one and Europe only now finding out how tough it is to deal with


    Just some clarity on this.

    The variant can be traced to September, but wasn't detected until November. That's when some DNA sampling was done on material sampled in September. Late November it was realised that the new strain was causing a spike in cases.

    We've only had three months to deal with the new strain, but it's been around at much lower levels for 6 months.
     
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    Just some clarity on this.

    The variant can be traced to September, but wasn't detected until November. That's when some DNA sampling was done on material sampled in September. Late November it was realised that the new strain was causing a spike in cases.

    We've only had three months to deal with the new strain, but it's been around at much lower levels for 6 months.

    But it underlines how well we have done to control it with the recent lockdowns

    Much harder variant to control
     
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    Just some clarity on this.

    The variant can be traced to September, but wasn't detected until November. That's when some DNA sampling was done on material sampled in September. Late November it was realised that the new strain was causing a spike in cases.

    We've only had three months to deal with the new strain, but it's been around at much lower levels for 6 months.

    It's also worth mentioning that the variant was detected in Kent for the first time, but partly, that's because the UK does more than half of all of the genomic sequencing done worldwide.
     
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    I remember the headlines : "Watch out, new extra infectious Covid variant (which may be more lethal) discovered in Kent". That was late last year.
    (Just to remind you, London is right next to Kent and is between Kent and the rest of the UK, and some people on here were saying London has no more resistance to Covid than the rest of the UK).

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    Yes, not disputing that at all.

    Others don't like praising anything our leaders do

    Have you not noticed?

    When the world eventually comes out of this Covid crisis - despite making many mistakes (inevitably imo) we will be proud of how the UK was at the forefront of the vaccines but also how to manage a crisis. As time has passed our scientists and leaders have started to really get a grip of what needs to happen. Many more mistakes will happen yet. But overall we are doing way better than the rest of Europe at least and in a much stronger position as a result

    Right now many countries across Europe will be looking at how well we are doing in comparison to them

    We can be proud to be British again

    Some on here won't like that!

    Time for the National Anthem I think!
     
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    Disgusting how Boris Johnson & Matt Hancook have deflected the attention away from themselves to try and avoid scrutiny & criticism and put it upon the nhs. Still, big thumbs up and a smug smirk when leaving the pedestal.

    Pats on the back (and contracts) all round!
     
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    Disgusting how Boris Johnson & Matt Hancook have deflected the attention away from themselves to try and avoid scrutiny & criticism and put it upon the nhs. Still, big thumbs up and a smug smirk when leaving the pedestal.

    Pats on the back (and contracts) all round!

    Predictable Simon

    You could always move to Sweden or France, Italy etc

    Hang on - they are all having to bring in lockdowns just as we are leaving them

    Looks like you chose the best place to live after all?

    You guys must be so grateful you live in UK after all?
     
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    Yep - would have been even fewer if we had followed the advice of some on here though

    We could have had far fewer deaths, shorter lockdowns AND our successful vaccine strategy if we had closed the borders sooner and mandated masks.

    Remember how the scientists were saying there was no evidence masks reduced transmission early on, and how the government said then that mask behaviour could actually increase risks?

    So by all means, sing the praises for the successful vaccine rollout but that doesn't absolve them of earlier mistakes.
     
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    We could have had far fewer deaths, shorter lockdowns AND our successful vaccine strategy if we had closed the borders sooner and mandated masks.

    Remember how the scientists were saying there was no evidence masks reduced transmission early on, and how the government said then that mask behaviour could actually increase risks?

    So by all means, sing the praises for the successful vaccine rollout but that doesn't absolve them of earlier mistakes.

    Show me a country that hasn't made mistakes managing Covid. They all have many many times

    And still will do so.

    We will make lots more mistakes. And we can't turn the clock back.

    But that's not what I am saying.

    What I am saying is right now we are European leaders on how to manage Covid and come out of lockdowns

    We've got some of the best scientists and advisers in the world in UK and it's showing through now

    Simple as that

    (We will look back on Covid many years from now - accept mistakes were made but mainly have pride in the UK scientists and advisers who helped get us the vaccines and get us through the crisis with their expert advice and sheer hard work).

    I have no doubt they are world leaders in what they do. And have the respect of the rest of the world even if they don't get the respect they deserve on here!

    Way too political on here for some people to give credit where credit is due.

    I wouldn't want to be living anywhere else in Europe right now that's for sure. Will go there on holiday though!!
     
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    We've got some of the best scientists and advisers in the world in UK and it's showing through now

    Best scientists perhaps. Best advisers? I'm not so sure of that.

    And now is hardly the time to be waving the Union Jack and singing Rule Britannia. Jingoism serves absolutely no useful purpose in a pandemic response.
     
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    Best scientists perhaps. Best advisers? I'm not so sure of that.

    And now is hardly the time to be waving the Union Jack and singing Rule Britannia. Jingoism serves absolutely no useful purpose in a pandemic response.

    We've quite clearly made the best decisions re vaccines - and that will be after getting the best advice.

    The latest lockdown strategy has worked despite a tougher variant than before - again decisions on that taken after advice from experts.

    People around Europe clearly looking to us for the way forward now.

    Who advised the other European leaders not to use the vaccines on over 65s?

    Who advised them 12 week gaps between jabs weren't a good idea?

    They are all copying us now.

    Whilst having to bring stricter lockdowns in as they play catch up!

    Yes there's a long way to go. My bit about the National Anthem was banter of course against those on here who simply can't bear to admit we are doing better than the rest of Europe and just want to criticise because that's what they do.

    We actually need the rest of Europe to get their act together now and catch up with where we are at.

    Then we can all go and help the rest of the world together where needed
     
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    Predictable Simon

    You could always move to Sweden or France, Italy etc

    Hang on - they are all having to bring in lockdowns just as we are leaving them

    Looks like you chose the best place to live after all?

    You guys must be so grateful you live in UK after all?

    Sweden are not having a lockdown, certainly not in comparison to us, please get your facts right.
     
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    Sweden are not having a lockdown, certainly not in comparison to us, please get your facts right.

    Perhaps that why they have the worst Covid infection rate in Western Europe right now - fact

    And hence they have no choice but to bring new lockdown measures in - fact

    And hence they have civil unrest and protests on the streets - fact

    Please don't show me any more graphs
     
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    We've quite clearly made the best decisions re vaccines - and that will be after getting the best advice.
    The latest lockdown strategy has worked despite a tougher variant than before - again decisions on that taken after advice from experts.
    People around Europe clearly looking to us for the way forward now.
    Who advised the other European leaders not to use the vaccines on over 65s?
    Who advised them 12 week gaps between jabs weren't a good idea?
    They are all copying us now.
    Whilst having to bring stricter lockdowns in as they play catch up!
    Yes there's a long way to go. My bit about the National Anthem was banter of course against those on here who can't bear to admit we are doing better than the rest of Europe
    We actually need the rest of Europe to get their act together now

    So the new variant was the big problem was it ? If so, London was at the epicentre of the new more infectious variant so why did it have a lower death rate than the rest of the UK ?
    It could be either :
    1 - London had more immunity than the rest of the UK (surely not., Justin said that and he's always wrong)
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    2 - The much trumpeted new variants was a bit of a damp squib, i.e. the govt were trying to scare us all, yet again.
    Which is is IO ? 1 or 2 ?
     
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    Perhaps that why they have the worst Covid infection rate in Western Europe right now - fact

    And hence they have no choice but to bring new lockdown measures in - fact

    And hence they have civil unrest and protests on the streets - fact

    Please don't show me any more graphs

    If they really are bringing in more severe suppression measures I can quite understand that. Can you ?

    But where do you get this "they [Sweden] have the worst infection level in Europe" ?
     
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    If they really are bringing in more severe suppression measures I can quite understand that. Can you ?

    They've got no choice they haven't got Covid under control - their strategy can't cope with the UK variant despite vaccinations starting

    You still want to move there?

    Or are you glad you live here where we are starting to come through this?

    It's all relative Justin

    It's a marathon not a sprint. Be grateful we are ahead of the game on the rest of Europe.

    My daughter is in France and it's getting worse there as well.

    Whilst it gets better here.
     
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    So the new variant was the big problem was it ? If so, London was at the epicentre of the new more infectious variant so why did it have a lower death rate than the rest of the UK ?
    It could be either :
    1 - London had more immunity than the rest of the UK (surely not., Justin said that and he's always wrong)
    or
    2 - The much trumpeted new variants was a bit of a damp squib, i.e. the govt were trying to scare us all, yet again.
    Which is is IO ? 1 or 2 ?

    You are aware London has pretty much been on shutdown compared to normal aren't you?

    Have you missed what's happened there the last 6 months.

    It's a ghost town compared to normal.
     
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    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    His condition is not said to be related to the vaccine.
     
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    Sweden are not having a lockdown, certainly not in comparison to us, please get your facts right.

    So what are they having - that is certainly not in comparison to us.
    If they aren't having a lockdown then of course no comparison. If they are having a small lockdown then there's a comparison.

    So what are these facts you have?
     
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    Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt has been admitted to hospital and is said to be in a serious condition just one day after receiving a dose of the Oxford / Astrazeneca Covid vaccine.

    His condition is not said to be related to the vaccine.

    I have come across a number of people who have been ill after the vaccine. Not any who were ill enough to enter hospital a day after.
    One guy a couple of weeks after but probably nothing at all to do with vaccine and quite a lot to do with something else.
     
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    Well it's to be hoped the vaccine is the way out of this because it's either that or herd immunity by infection. Many have never thought "Test & Trace" would work, certainly not in this country, I certainly never thought it'd work and said so on many occasions (to much opprobrium I may add).
    But now it has been proven.
    We have, apparently, spent £22 Billion on test and trace for "no clear impact, and are, apparently, going to spend another £15 Billion over the next year.
    Absolute madness, but, ironically, I'm quite happy about it, I want T&T scrapped. I do not want to spend the rest of my life wondering if my holiday (or whatever) might get cancelled because I passed within feet of someone who had Covid. Bollox to that.

    Covid-19: NHS Test and Trace 'no clear impact' despite £37bn budget - BBC News
     
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    Track and trace is the only way we will be able to keep one step ahead of the new variants and will prove vital if we are to keep on top of Covid

    Covid is very much a moving target

    We may not be able to keep ahead of the new variants without future lockdowns but it gives us our best chance

    You should be grateful it's there

    We are hoping to control Covid from now on. Track and trace is going to be vital to make that happen.

    The scientists made that clear only the other day. We will need a smaller amount of social distancing alongside track and trace next winter.
     
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    Well it's to be hoped the vaccine is the way out of this because it's either that or herd immunity by infection. Many have never thought "Test & Trace" would work, certainly not in this country, I certainly never thought it'd work and said so on many occasions (to much opprobrium I may add).
    But now it has been proven.
    We have, apparently, spent £22 Billion on test and trace for "no clear impact, and are, apparently, going to spend another £15 Billion over the next year.
    Absolute madness, but, ironically, I'm quite happy about it, I want T&T scrapped. I do not want to spend the rest of my life wondering if my holiday (or whatever) might get cancelled because I passed within feet of someone who had Covid. Bollox to that.

    Covid-19: NHS Test and Trace 'no clear impact' despite £37bn budget - BBC News

    You think we should stop testing? That's what the "test" part of "Test and Trace" means. That's where most of the money is spent.

    Also, it most certainly has not been "proven" not to work. The report states it's hard to demonstrate the benefit. That's something very different.
     
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