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psmith98752

Has anyone used any UK dedicated hosting providers with true 24/7 support? The budget isn't massive so Rackspace, Dedipower and a few others are out of the equation. This is for 3 servers at the moment. We'd prefer to stick to the larger players and have been looking at:

  • Virtual Internet (vi.net)
  • CWCS
  • Coreix
  • UKFast

Can anyone offer any experiences?
 

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Haven't used any of them but I know Vidahost offer true 24/7 support.

I have had replies to support tickets at 4 in the morning in the past no problems :)

They currently have over 8000 clients so a fairly big company and support is excellent!
 
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Have you got a quote from all of these providers?

I know that you said Rackspace is out of your budget, but if you actually work with one of their account managers I'm sure you could find a solution right for you. Alternatively you could look at their cloud offerings which, whilst still managed and efficient, are a lot cheaper.
 
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Haven't used any of them but I know Vidahost offer true 24/7 support.
Thanks, but a 99.9% uptime guarantee just won't cut it.

Have you got a quote from all of these providers?

I know that you said Rackspace is out of your budget, but if you actually work with one of their account managers I'm sure you could find a solution right for you. Alternatively you could look at their cloud offerings which, whilst still managed and efficient, are a lot cheaper.

Yes I have quotes from all of these providers. I truly think Rackspace is way out of budget. And dedicated hardware is a must.
 
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Thanks, but a 99.9% uptime guarantee just won't cut it.
What uptime SLA have the ones in your list quoted you and what level of compensation?

Uptime guarantees are the level that compensation kicks in, not how the host expects to perform.

If you are expecting a guaranteed 100% uptime, you are probably looking at a HA cluster rather than a single dedicated server, but expect to pay a large premium for it.

Steve
 
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psmith98752

If you are expecting a guaranteed 100% uptime, you are probably looking at a HA cluster rather than a single dedicated server, but expect to pay a large premium for it.

Steve

Yes we are going for a load balanced/high availability set up. I know 100% SLA != 100% uptime but a provider that refunds when anything below 100% uptime is achieved gives me more confidence than one with 99.9%.
 
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Posilan

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Yes we are going for a load balanced/high availability set up. I know 100% SLA != 100% uptime but a provider that refunds when anything below 100% uptime is achieved gives me more confidence than one with 99.9%.
Yes, but every one of those on the list only offer 100% network uptime SLA (most companies can offer a 100% SLA on for dedicated servers and colocation) - hardware and support SLA's are different.

Just don't expect the 100% to include software & hardware issues you have :)

Steve
 
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Yes we are going for a load balanced/high availability set up. I know 100% SLA != 100% uptime but a provider that refunds when anything below 100% uptime is achieved gives me more confidence than one with 99.9%.

have to say 100% would be nice but.. i'll stick to a more realistic 99.9% a router is going to fail, a network route is going to be congested (hey workers outsite may even cut through the cable), part of the world may loose power and a generator doesn't kick in.

also check the provider's offering 100% uptime with some providers i looked at this was a marketing gimmick and they refunds only kicked in when they got to 95% you got X amount per hour back (was all clearly stated in their TOS, but on their website they had 100% uptime guaantee, which was a we will do our best to keep things running 100% of the time)

joe
 
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Thanks, That Guy :)

psmith98752, As we've been mentioned I'll post a little more detail about us and my thoughts. Ensure you don't just look at the surface of SLAs and so on - grill any possible supplier as much as possible. Ask how much they'd manage perhaps - if you broke your site, could it be looked at if you had no clue what you'd broken? Would they monitor/debug your site if you asked? We do almost every day; sometimes we might spend more time than we perhaps should on issues but our theory is that we want to help our clients wherever we can. Of course that doesn't mean we can fix every problem, but we'll try and our clients tend to appreciate that.

We're one of the fastest-growing, smaller (<£5m?) yet established (>a few years trading or £1m turnover perhaps), privately-owned UK hosting companies with over 25,000 clients and ~150,000 websites hosted. We're also one of the larger Nominet members and attend meetings where we can!

We host almost everyone and everything from simple websites to high-availability clusters in leading-edge datacentres - Equinix LD5 features 2N + 1 power and is used by Telefonica, financial organisations and many more businesses.

We offer a standard 99.9% SLA because the theory is that it shouldn't be broken - and if it is, we tend to provide a free month. We can customise if required but already many providers' SLAs are worth less, for example Rackspace's standard (as far as I can tell) SLA:

4.2 Infrastructure. We guarantee that data centre HVAC and power will be functioning one hundred per cent (100%) of the time in a given month, excluding Maintenance. Power includes UPSs, PDUs and cabling, but does not include the power supplies on your servers. Infrastructure downtime exists when a particular server is shut down due to power or heat problems. Rackspace will credit your account five per cent (5%) of the monthly fee for each thirty (30) minutes of infrastructure downtime, up to one hundred per cent (100%) of your monthly fee for the affected server(s).
So after 30 minutes, on a £2k/month contract, you'd receive £100. I'm also not sure why it doesn't include the server PSU - presumably that's covered elsewhere but I'd expect every Rackspace server to use redundant PSUs...

A portion of our higher-end business comes from those disaffected by the more established/well-known 'high end' hosts. Often it's at renewal time when sales can't talk to technical...we don't have that issue as we all do both!

Our ethos is that we should take care of our clients' requirements as much as possible which is why we can build and manage almost any configuration and are always on hand - be it a shared hosting client who's broken their new website, or a global organisation with a system failure.

We also host many UKBF members with all types of configurations - a popular, lower cost solution for high availability is to use two or more virtual machines. Two fully dedicated servers would start at £500/month +VAT (quad core, 16Gb RAM, dual power supply, your choice of OS - Linux/Windows/Solaris are most popular.)

Please feel free to contact us if you'd like a chat/quote. We're realistic and can design solutions to meet a range of budgets.
 
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I used to have a rackspace server, it it didn't have 100% uptime, it was only down once but it was down, unless your paying massive amounts for a 100% uptime system no hosting will be guaranteed and rackspaces compensation is rubbish in comparison to lost sales.

never had a problem with Vidahost, never been down, and they tell the truth about uptime, don't be taken in by sales patter
 
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Let's be honest though it's not the money(maybe it is for some people), it's the downtime that's the problem i'd rather have a working server than the £100.

but i also don't very often get fooled by marketing gimmicks (twice by two different one's) and the 100% uptime guarantee is something i saw through..... knowing that one day something will fail, FACT!

the thing's that matter are how quickly things will be resolved once they have broken, what communication takes place while things are broken (some providers dissapear) look for hardware replacement policies etc and see what should be done when things do go wrong (in an ideal world)


joe


Thanks, That Guy :)

psmith98752, As we've been mentioned I'll post a little more detail about us and my thoughts. Ensure you don't just look at the surface of SLAs and so on - grill any possible supplier as much as possible. Ask how much they'd manage perhaps - if you broke your site, could it be looked at if you had no clue what you'd broken? Would they monitor/debug your site if you asked? We do almost every day; sometimes we might spend more time than we perhaps should on issues but our theory is that we want to help our clients wherever we can. Of course that doesn't mean we can fix every problem, but we'll try and our clients tend to appreciate that.

We're one of the fastest-growing, smaller (<£5m?) yet established (>a few years trading or £1m turnover perhaps), privately-owned UK hosting companies with over 25,000 clients and ~150,000 websites hosted. We're also one of the larger Nominet members and attend meetings where we can!

We host almost everyone and everything from simple websites to high-availability clusters in leading-edge datacentres - Equinix LD5 features 2N + 1 power and is used by Telefonica, financial organisations and many more businesses.

We offer a standard 99.9% SLA because the theory is that it shouldn't be broken - and if it is, we tend to provide a free month. We can customise if required but already many providers' SLAs are worth less, for example Rackspace's standard (as far as I can tell) SLA:


So after 30 minutes, on a £2k/month contract, you'd receive £100. I'm also not sure why it doesn't include the server PSU - presumably that's covered elsewhere but I'd expect every Rackspace server to use redundant PSUs...

A portion of our higher-end business comes from those disaffected by the more established/well-known 'high end' hosts. Often it's at renewal time when sales can't talk to technical...we don't have that issue as we all do both!

Our ethos is that we should take care of our clients' requirements as much as possible which is why we can build and manage almost any configuration and are always on hand - be it a shared hosting client who's broken their new website, or a global organisation with a system failure.

We also host many UKBF members with all types of configurations - a popular, lower cost solution for high availability is to use two or more virtual machines. Two fully dedicated servers would start at £500/month +VAT (quad core, 16Gb RAM, dual power supply, your choice of OS - Linux/Windows/Solaris are most popular.)

Please feel free to contact us if you'd like a chat/quote. We're realistic and can design solutions to meet a range of budgets.
 
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Let's be honest though it's not the money(maybe it is for some people), it's the downtime that's the problem i'd rather have a working server than the £100.

the thing's that matter are how quickly things will be resolved once they have broken, what communication takes place while things are broken (some providers dissapear) look for hardware replacement policies etc and see what should be done when things do go wrong (in an ideal world)

Exactly. Which is why I'm asking for opinions from people who have used any of the providers I've mentioned:

Virtual Internet (vi.net)
CWCS
Coreix
UKFast
 
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its funny, you want someone that is pro active as a host provider, you have someone who has been recommended and pro active and you won't even ring them to look into it.

I don't think you want a recommendation I think you want someone to pick one for you, I would say UKFast, as we rang them previously and were very good, but we still didn't pick them:p

Infact I have a test for you, ring them all and get quotes saying you need it immediatly, leave it a 2 weeks and record the number of times they ring you back, the more they do, the more sales orriented they are.
 
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    Has anyone used any UK dedicated hosting providers with true 24/7 support? The budget isn't massive so Rackspace, Dedipower and a few others are out of the equation. This is for 3 servers at the moment. We'd prefer to stick to the larger players and have been looking at:

    • Virtual Internet (vi.net)
    • CWCS
    • Coreix
    • UKFast

    Can anyone offer any experiences?


    Can you let us know the server specifications you require, as this will decide the cost of the server. Just to let you know we offer fully managed dedicated server with free 24/7 monitoring on our nagios server status update.
     
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    chip_y2kuk

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    Can you let us know the server specifications you require, as this will decide the cost of the server. Just to let you know we offer fully managed dedicated server with free 24/7 monitoring on our nagios server status update.


    He's already said his budget's not massive and he want's a load balanced setup with three servers at the moment let's say reasonably.... £100 per server per month i've never used a loadbalancer so what's the going monthly rate on them? £150+ per month?

    let's round it up and say he's realisticly looking at spending £500 per month (i don't actually think he is)

    joe
     
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    Yep,

    Netwise hosting tick all the boxes, they look after a lot of our clients, always had good experiences with them and their support is really top class.

    Well worth speaking to :)

    I also recommend Netwise hosting (www.netwisehosting.co.uk), they supply a high level of service at an affordable price and should certainly be considered.

    Hi Guys,

    Firstly many thanks for the recommendations, its always very much appreciated and hope you are all well.

    To the O/P - as others have suggested, we would require more in-depth information regarding your requirements in order to provide any sort of accurate pricing or recommendations whether for our own services or for the other hosting companies you have mentioned.

    If you aren't keen on disclosing this publicly then please feel free to give either myself or one of the team here a call, 0845 430 9900, and we can go through different options with you.

    I won't start boasting our services here, but if you require more information on our SLA's, company details and/or our service offerings then please don't hesitate to get in contact.
    All the best,

    Matthew
     
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