UK Bank Account for Licensed Online Gambling Business?

DanHaynes

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This post is for anyone looking at setting up/starting an licensed online business in the UK. It details our experience and the eventual demise of the business in the summer of 2012.

Our company held a license from the UK Gambling Commission to offer gambling services online to UK customers. As a business we had been in existence for over 8 years and had a UK based bank account for that time. Our gambling website was a new venture however and our business previously was not in the betting/gambling industry.

Have secured a license and developed our website and platform we applied to our current banking providers to upgrade our account to enable us to more easily handle payments from UK customers. Our bank turned us down and stated that they did not need to give us a reason for the refusal.

We in the meantime applied in person (i.e. meeting local business bank managers) to all the major British High St banks (RBS/Natwest, Barclays, Lloyds and HSBC) to open a business bank account. We were not seeking or required any type of finance or loan, merely a banking facility to enable us to operate as a business in the UK (like any other small business).

All these meeting were initially very positive but all were subject to the application being sent off and approved by the respective 'commercial risk' departments within the banks. The applications were all turned down. We asked all to tell why they felt they could not open an account for us and they all were very circumspect. In fact, despite being requested, they all failed to deliver a response in writing/email. They told us via phone calls. Most tended to say something like "we do not want to be associated with gambling companies at this time". A couple also stated that the refusal had nothing to do with our business, it's viability or it's owners.

As a company we were solvent and had sufficient funds to enable us to launch the website and see us through our first year of trading. Our business presented no risk in terms of it's gambling format because of the exact type of gambling we were licensed to do.

Meanwhile we received a letter from our current banking provider to inform us they were closing our account. We had two months notice and they stated they did not have to give us a reason for closing our account.

In July our account closed and we had no alternative but to cease trading. The company is now dormant. Our UK Gambling Licence was due to be renewed in September but we decided it was pointless. The project is dead.

We spoke to our local MP who wrote to the Government minister concerned. We have received one response saying that it was not 'appropriate' for the Government to interfere in the decisions of 'commercial organisations'. We have responded to this by reminding the Government that at least two of these banks are effectively owned by the Government. We are awaiting a further response.

We also re-iterated to them that we know we are not an isolated case. The UK banks are routinely refusing banking services to legitimate UK businesses in gambling industry and failing to provide any explanation.

And the reason why these banks are doing this? It has nothing to do with the UK and UK businesses. The reason is to do with a law passed in the United States (where online gambling is essentially illegal) which makes banks (or institutions that process payments for online gambling) a target for US authorities, enabling them to fine and close them down.

In other words, our company, a UK licensed business aimed at UK customers, based entirely within the UK has been effectively closed down because the UK banks feel we would present a risk to them from US law enforcement.

UK online gambling is worth something £6bn per year, most of which goes abroad through companies operating in places such as Gibraltar. The UK Government has made plenty of speeches trying to encourage entrepreneurs and businesses in the online digital sector to setup in the UK. The online gambling sector could be worth a lot to the exchequer if businesses could be convinced to operate within the UK.

So far the Governments response to our situation shows that these speeches are words with nothing behind them. Currently the Government do not feel it is appropriate to intervene in banks, bailed out by the British taxpayer and owned by the British Government, when these banks are actively stifling growth in the largest online digital sector their is.

Please note that this policy is in place across all banks in the UK not just the one's cited above. It applies to small/startup businesses. I'm sure if you have a big fat cheque to hand to your banker they will suddenly find it a lot easier to open a bank account for you. They're bankers after all.

So our advice to anyone looking to start a business in the UK in this area is first find a bank willing to open a business account for you. Once you find that no-one will then the answer is to move abroad and set up your business their to serve your UK customers online.

I hope this will be of use to someone, and save them a lot of expense and time should they be looking to start a new venture in this area.
 
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I had a situation recently where two credit worthy individuals set up a company providing services to local people.

Previously they had been a partnership, and the account was opened with Barclays, no questions asked, but when they incorporated they approached a different bank.... Purely because it had more local branches...... I would state at this point that there was never any credit facilities used in Barclays, the account operated perfectly, but due to diversification, barclays didnt have enough high street coverage. that is the only reason a new bank was sought.


I won't name them, but in order to allow an account to be opened, they sent an email to my client requesting details of business activities, one of which was requiring solicitors attestations.


The client is low risk, always has been, and has never been in the red. Yet the banks nowadays are vetting their account holders. Out client applied to another bank who refused the application because one of the directors had a late credit card payment 2 years ago. The guy was abroad on holidays for three weeks, and was two days late in getting his payment made.

My god, I have a business bank account and I am more of a criminal than my clients. Reason is, I am a better Liar..... these days , it does not bode well to tell the truth.

It is an awful thing to say, but the original poster admitted he was involved in Gambling, which is a hot topic for USA and under information exchange protocols, the 51st state of GB feels obliged to give one way traffic.

It is no wonder that Betfair etc chose Gibraltar as its base. they have a more pragmatic approach.

Personally I find it reprehensible that being honest, seeking all required licenses, and being subjected to moronic subjugatory apathy has caused a business to fold.
 
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Chriscramptonfx

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In relation to the gambling restriction you are discussing. I currently work with a number of gaming companies that have all experienced difficulties. I provide a service where we are able to offer currency accounts to Gambling regulated companies. You did mention Gibraltar and this is where the major companies base them selves and operate from. You should be able to meet with a bank in Gibraltar who will provide you with a business account, you can then use a currency provider like myself to manage you payments. This should be a lot more competitive and cost effective than using a uk bank.

Hope this helps.
 
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jwardman

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This is an excellent article and has proved very useful, I only wish I had seen it a couple months ago. Our limited company is experiencing the exact same problems, so it shows that nothing has changed over the past year and a half, It is so frustrating. Did you ever hear back again from the government? Also why did you never consider opening an offshore account to get around this?

Thanks
 
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DanHaynes

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Sorry I don't have any good news for you. It's disappointing that it appears nothing has changed since my attempts to find banking services almost 2 years ago.

I did not try and look oversee's as really everything about the success of my business depended on it being based entirely within the UK with the associated costs of that (including banking services/payments). Moving outside the UK I was less optimistic that the business would be viable, so I have given up and moved on.

I did exchange a couple of letters with two different 'Financial Sectary to the Treasury''s through my MP but the response was a complete shrug of the shoulders:

"Decisions about whether to offer banking services to specific individuals or businesses remain commercial decisions for banks and building societies. I hope you can appreciate that it would be inappropriate for the Government to intervene in these decisions"

I'm afraid the current situation is that the banks run an effective cartel in the UK, the politicians are unable or unwilling to do anything about this, and whenever the US authorities say 'jump', our banks say 'how high?'

UK based online gambling start-ups are being shut out of banking services (and therefore doing business) because of US protectionist policies, and our UK politicians and banks are entirely complicit in this matter.

My only advice would be to find someone 'with connections' to one of the banks and invite them to join your business.

Welcome to Entrepreneurial Britain in 2014.
 
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DanHaynes

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Since this post went up I have received a number of messages from UK businesses finding themselves in the same situation. This one was received in June 2013:

"Hi there, just saw your post on business bank accounts. Very helpful and explains exactly what is happening. We are a small betting business licenced in UK and our bank account is being closed down without explanation given. All alternative banks have now declined our application without giving explicit reason.
We are therefore desperately looking for any advice on opening business bank account. Did you have any luck at the end? Gibraltar perhaps? Don't you need to have a licence in Gibraltar in this case?"

The UK is not a place where licensed online gambling businesses, who want to offer services to UK customers, will be made welcome. In fact quite the opposite.
 
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Hornpiper

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This post is for anyone looking at setting up/starting an licensed online business in the UK. It details our experience and the eventual demise of the business in the summer of 2012.

Our company held a license from the UK Gambling Commission to offer gambling services online to UK customers. As a business we had been in existence for over 8 years and had a UK based bank account for that time. Our gambling website was a new venture however and our business previously was not in the betting/gambling industry.

Have secured a license and developed our website and platform we applied to our current banking providers to upgrade our account to enable us to more easily handle payments from UK customers. Our bank turned us down and stated that they did not need to give us a reason for the refusal.

We in the meantime applied in person (i.e. meeting local business bank managers) to all the major British High St banks (RBS/Natwest, Barclays, Lloyds and HSBC) to open a business bank account. We were not seeking or required any type of finance or loan, merely a banking facility to enable us to operate as a business in the UK (like any other small business).

All these meeting were initially very positive but all were subject to the application being sent off and approved by the respective 'commercial risk' departments within the banks. The applications were all turned down. We asked all to tell why they felt they could not open an account for us and they all were very circumspect. In fact, despite being requested, they all failed to deliver a response in writing/email. They told us via phone calls. Most tended to say something like "we do not want to be associated with gambling companies at this time". A couple also stated that the refusal had nothing to do with our business, it's viability or it's owners.

As a company we were solvent and had sufficient funds to enable us to launch the website and see us through our first year of trading. Our business presented no risk in terms of it's gambling format because of the exact type of gambling we were licensed to do.

Meanwhile we received a letter from our current banking provider to inform us they were closing our account. We had two months notice and they stated they did not have to give us a reason for closing our account.

In July our account closed and we had no alternative but to cease trading. The company is now dormant. Our UK Gambling Licence was due to be renewed in September but we decided it was pointless. The project is dead.

We spoke to our local MP who wrote to the Government minister concerned. We have received one response saying that it was not 'appropriate' for the Government to interfere in the decisions of 'commercial organisations'. We have responded to this by reminding the Government that at least two of these banks are effectively owned by the Government. We are awaiting a further response.

We also re-iterated to them that we know we are not an isolated case. The UK banks are routinely refusing banking services to legitimate UK businesses in gambling industry and failing to provide any explanation.

And the reason why these banks are doing this? It has nothing to do with the UK and UK businesses. The reason is to do with a law passed in the United States (where online gambling is essentially illegal) which makes banks (or institutions that process payments for online gambling) a target for US authorities, enabling them to fine and close them down.

In other words, our company, a UK licensed business aimed at UK customers, based entirely within the UK has been effectively closed down because the UK banks feel we would present a risk to them from US law enforcement.

UK online gambling is worth something £6bn per year, most of which goes abroad through companies operating in places such as Gibraltar. The UK Government has made plenty of speeches trying to encourage entrepreneurs and businesses in the online digital sector to setup in the UK. The online gambling sector could be worth a lot to the exchequer if businesses could be convinced to operate within the UK.

So far the Governments response to our situation shows that these speeches are words with nothing behind them. Currently the Government do not feel it is appropriate to intervene in banks, bailed out by the British taxpayer and owned by the British Government, when these banks are actively stifling growth in the largest online digital sector their is.

Please note that this policy is in place across all banks in the UK not just the one's cited above. It applies to small/startup businesses. I'm sure if you have a big fat cheque to hand to your banker they will suddenly find it a lot easier to open a bank account for you. They're bankers after all.

So our advice to anyone looking to start a business in the UK in this area is first find a bank willing to open a business account for you. Once you find that no-one will then the answer is to move abroad and set up your business their to serve your UK customers online.

I hope this will be of use to someone, and save them a lot of expense and time should they be looking to start a new venture in this area.
We are facing similar issues and would welcome a chat. I joined BF because your post came up in a google. Is it possible to have direct contact and if so, how? Thanks, David
 
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Hornpiper

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We are facing similar issues and would welcome a chat. I joined BF because your post came up in a google. Is it possible to have direct contact and if so, how? Thanks, David
You may struggle to get a response, DanHaynes hasn't visited the forum since Jan 2014...
Ok, thanks. That's good of you to let me know..
 
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