Trying to develop car insurance comparison site - need help

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I've almost finished writing a very detailed business plan with the intention of developing a new car insurance comparison. Whenever I've mentioned this to people in the last few days I've faced a variety of responses; usually somehere between laughter and outright disgust.

Let me just explain; I'm not naive to the mammoth competiton already out there and their multi-million £ marketing budgets - I see this is an exciting challenge rather than an impossible task. My almost complete business plan described a very focused business strategy which I feel would allow me to successfully enter the market - I'm very confident of that. Secondly, I have made my career in online / search and viral marketing; I have experience in acheiving massive reach and exposure at minimal cost.

I believe my plans to be sound; strategy isn't where I'm struggling.

I'm critically lacking knowledge in one fundamental technical area of the business; how to query each insurance provider in the way the likes of Confused.com and Co. do.

All I know, so far, is that they use online feeds provided by insurers to pull out data and display it on their web sites. I have no idea how or where to get this data, or whether there are any up-front costs to access it.

I've no idea whether anyone here is likely know the answer to this question, but assuming not, where can I go to help me find out this information? I don't even know where to start.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Surely finding out how to actually get these quotes would have been one of the first things you did?

From what others have mentioned on here it will be near impossible to break into that market, despite how much knowledge of 'viral' marketing you may have.

I may be wrong???
 
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I'm critically lacking knowledge in one fundamental technical area of the business; how to query each insurance provider in the way the likes of Confused.com and Co. do.


J

With all due respect I think that is the magic ingredient that allowed these businesses to be successful.

So unless you have that plus some other 'magic ingredient' (USP) then I am not sure what you will be bringing to the market.

I am sure you have your reasons though for launching your business so good luck.
 
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What will be the USP?

Without wanting to go into too much detail, I conducted a large scale survey and spoke to drivers who had previously used comparison web sites, plus those who hadn't. I had a gut feeling about what the results might reveal, however they were very striking.

The crux of the matter is is. The comparison market place is very one dimensional in two ways (bit of a contradiction there, but you catch my drift):


  1. Almost 100% focus on price, over any other detail
  2. Cheap and cheerful brands / web sites
Whilst this appeals to some people, clearly enough for the comparison industry to turnover in excess of £200m each year; this alienates and neglects the needs of a substantial portion of the target audience.

My proposed business addresses this. That is essentially, in about 150 words, what my business plan says in 10,000.
 
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If you are offering insurance information you usually need to be FSA regulated. Have you looked into that, too?

It can be a minefield with heavy fines if you break any rules (no complaints against you required).

I have worked in and with many FSA regulated businesses in the past - I am well aware of the red tape and potential pitfalls.
 
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I find with insurance comparisons that they are good for people who drive average cars (by that i mean widely available cars), and are of average age (over 25, with 4 years NCB) and have a average job.

im 20, and drive a group 20 car, i have to use brokers as most of these major players won't touch me with a barge pole.

now if there was a comparison site which included a lot of good brokers, that'd interest me, and i'm sure lots of other people!
(bit off topic!)
J
 
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So, if I am getting this right, it is an up-market comparison site, compared to the current ones that are very much focused around getting the cheapest price possible?

To a minor extent - there is considerably more to it than that however - too much to type out here. It's not a case of dressing Confused.com in a tuxedo and offering more expensive quotes, if that's what you were inferring.
 
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The site I used allowed me to put in what I wanted e.g. courtesy car, protected no claims etc then gave me all the prices. Am I missing something? What else would I want to be able to?

As I've already suggested, some people are content with what's on offer at existing comparison sites. However, the feedback from a good proportion of survey respondants was damning about certain key factors.
 
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As others have mentioned, I personally don't see the added value your site has to offer, although as you (understandably) don't want to go into all the details about your venture I'll remain open minded. I think what you have to remember is that all the successful 'compare' websites are either owned by already established financial organisations or owned by companies that had a few million in their back pocket to plow into it when they saw the opportunity.

How many of these were one man band operations to start with?
 
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As others have mentioned, I personally don't see the added value your site has to offer, although as you (understandably) don't want to go into all the details about your venture I'll remain open minded. I think what you have to remember is that all the successful 'compare' websites are either owned by already established financial organisations or owned by companies that had a few million in their back pocket to plow into it when they saw the opportunity.

How many of these were one man band operations to start with?

You'd need to read my business plan; those who have (and I'm referring to individuals who have no bias or vested interest, not family / friends) have given very positive feedback. I think you'd also need to see the survey results, which again are not biased yet paint a striking picture.
 
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Quick question - do you need the permission of the insurers to present their product information in a comparisson site? (excuse me if this is an ignorant question as I have no knowledge of this market, but can help with the technical aspect depending on the answer)
 
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Quick question - do you need the permission of the insurers to present their product information in a comparisson site? (excuse me if this is an ignorant question as I have no knowledge of this market, but can help with the technical aspect depending on the answer)

I don't have the answer to this question as yet, but am assuming so. If not, the system could be created using a basic scraping tool and a series of affiliate accounts.

For those of you doubting my strategy, this article just about sums things up as well as I can in such few words:

edit: won't let me paste link

Comparison sites still have some way to evolve, in my opinion.
 
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This is the article:

More than two-thirds of car insurance policies sold last year were taken out through comparison websites. So it's not that surprising that the Financial Services Authority has been keeping a close eye on the sector. The regulator has just finished taking its third look at comparison sites in as many years, and to be fair, it doesn't have much to say that it didn't say before.


It examined 17 sites out of more than 40. All, it said, were "appropriately authorised" though there was "mixed evidence" as to how clear, fair and accurate information given to consumers is.


The key worry the watchdog highlighted was that "consumers should shop around for the best deal, but it is important they compare what's covered by a policy and not just focus on the price".


Comparison sites broadly welcomed the findings. "It is encouraging to see most price comparison sites are treating customers fairly in terms of clarity and openness and the FSA deems no further action needs to be taken," said Richard Mason, managing director of Moneysupermarket.com.
He added that he "fully supports" any recommendations the FSA might make designed to help enhance the consumer's knowledge and understanding, adding that Moneysupermarket already includes some of these other factors in its comparisons.


Currently there are no plans from the regulator to do anything new to address its concerns, but the FSA said it will be keeping an eye on the industry.


Fair comparison?

So it's not exactly a clean bill of health, but no one's rushing to do anything about it either. How concerned should we be - and are there ways consumers can make the best of comparison sites while avoiding the pitfalls?


Let's make something clear before we do anything else. I think comparison sites are a great idea.


They have introduced competition into the ultilities market where virtually none existed before; they've made it a lot easier for people to compare banks and insurers and other financial service providers far more conveniently; and the truth is that a lot of the complaints about comparison sites do tend to come from the direction of those who have been put under scrutiny by them.


But that's not to say they couldn't be better.


Understanding the problems

First things first, it's useful to understand how comparison sites work. They're not charities offering this service out of the good of their hearts - they are commercial organisations.


They'll take information from a range of providers (but importantly, not all of them - we'll come to that in a moment). You input your requirements, and they attempt to find the best match for you.


You then click through to the website of the insurer (or other financial service provider) in question and buy your product. The comparison site gets commission on the sales, or sometimes even just on the number of people clicking on an insurer (known as "click-throughs"), in return. That's how they make their money.


It's worth bearing this in mind. Comparison sites don't keep this a secret, but they don't exactly flag it up either - and neither, for perfectly valid commercial reasons, do they reveal how much commission they're getting from different companies.


Objective analysis

So remember that there is a big incentive for them to push you in a certain way.


That doesn't mean that their comparison service is skewed - but you should be wary of all the other bumph that appears on sites, such as guides to buying various types of insurance or credit cards, or banners suggesting "our best buys" or "best personal loans" which may be nothing of the sort.


If it's decent information on financial products you're looking for, you'd be far better going to a genuine news site or flicking through the financial section of your daily paper than relying on a comparison site's content.


Accurate results

Another big complaint is that, particularly when buying insurance, you will often find that the quote you get when you click through differs to the one you get on the site.


The trouble is that buying insurance is a complicated business. Different insurers ask for different details, so to cut the time involved, the comparison sites make various different assumptions about the buyer, which will sometimes mean you get very different quotes.


It also means that when you go through to the insurer in question and give them your complete details, you might end up being asked to pay more.


Holes in the table

Another issue is that many comparison sites (despite the hype) don't actually cover every provider, so they don't give a sweep of the entire market.


This issue has been partly addressed in the energy market - watchdog Energywatch presides over a voluntary code whereby accredited energy comparison sites agree to include details of all providers, whether they get paid by them or not - but there's no such code for the rest of the industry.
But there is a fairly easy solution to both of these problems - just use more than one comparison site.


As for the few big brands that completely shun the comparison sites - Direct Line is the main one - just give them a call directly if you think that they're genuinely going to offer you a better deal.


Cheapest or best value?

A greyer area is the FSA's complaint that consumers are focusing on price rather than features included.


The rise of comparison sites clearly has an impact on the way that companies try to sell their products. If two-thirds of the industry's sales come from this source, then obviously insurers are going to try to boost their showing on the sites. Tricks include increasing the voluntary excess (the amount you have to pay before the insurance kicks in) and ditching features like courtesy cars.


But the truth is that insurance is a commodity product. Most of us hope we won't have to use it, so we just want to get it as cheaply as possible. And sadly, it's only when we do come to use it that we find out whether our provider is any good or not.


Similarly, banks use underhand techniques to creep up the comparison site tables - having savings accounts with short-term bonuses, or linked investment accounts, or strict conditions which only come to light when you actually apply for the account.


But this can hardly be blamed on the comparison sites. The banks have always used devious marketing to get onto the best buy tables - there's nothing new in that.


All this reflects is the fact that banks can't be trusted. And the more consumers come to recognise this, the more they will support those few financial institutions that actually provide consistently good rates and service - and the comparison sites will adjust their search criteria to reflect this.


Should comparison sites be regulated?

The FSA could step up regulation of the sites, it could perhaps insist on a certain level of presentation or come up with various other parameters to be followed.


But the point is that the comparison site market is very competitive and developing rapidly. Traffic is what matters to these sites. The more people who use them, the better the deals they can set up with partners. So in the longer run these sites make their money by giving consumers what they want - the cheapest and best product for them.
The best sites - the ones which provide the most accurate results, the best search options and which prove themselves the most trustworthy - are the ones that will survive. That process of evolution will work a lot faster and a lot more effectively if the FSA sticks to its light-touch regulation.
 
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Then I am a bit confused. If you need buy in from insurers then that is your hurdle, the technology is irrelevant surely? If they want to partner and present their products via your site then they'll give you details of their feed, schemas etc. and you will be off. Why the focus on how to achieve it technically at this stage when you don't have buy in from these companies?
 
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Then I am a bit confused. If you need buy in from insurers then that is your hurdle, the technology is irrelevant surely? If they want to partner and present their products via your site then they'll give you details of their feed, schemas etc. and you will be off. Why the focus on how to achieve it technically at this stage when you don't have buy in from these companies?

That is in fact what I'm trying to do - you're right in that the technicals are the easy bit. My question perhaps should have been, 'how and where do I get buy in'?
 
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That is where your entrepreneurial skills come to play. If you can add value above and beyond what the existing sites offer then you need to convince the relevant people that is the case. You say you have done a survey? Get on the phone to these companies, explain you have undertaken a survey and ask whether you can mail a complimentary copy of your findings to the relevant person. See whether they recognise your findings, then build up to offering your solution. Just one technique we have used in the past - may not be the right one for this situation but the point is if you believe your idea is a go-er then you need to get it infront of others as quick as possible to see whether they agree. If they don't, then don't be afraid to let it go and move onto something else. If they do, take their advice and let them help shape your offering.
 
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NinjaStory

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That is where your entrepreneurial skills come to play. If you can add value above and beyond what the existing sites offer then you need to convince the relevant people that is the case. You say you have done a survey? Get on the phone to these companies, explain you have undertaken a survey and ask whether you can mail a complimentary copy of your findings to the relevant person. See whether they recognise your findings, then build up to offering your solution. Just one technique we have used in the past - may not be the right one for this situation but the point is if you believe your idea is a go-er then you need to get it infront of others as quick as possible to see whether they agree. If they don't, then don't be afraid to let it go and move onto something else. If they do, take their advice and let them help shape your offering.

That sounds like reasonable, grounded advice. Thanks.

Now, I could easily send my business plan to the insurers I need to speak to, however I doubt many of the contacts I will speak to will have the time nor the desire to sift through what is a pretty comprehensive 25 page document.

I could have a professional writer trim it down sufficiently I suppose, but I'm afraid of losing the key facts.
 
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Different audience, different document! Trim it down to focus on key findings and your company's analysis of those findings. Back it up with a bit of info as to why you undertook the survey in the first place and why you feel you are qualified to draw conclusions from the results. Identify the shortcomings in existing solutions then follow it up a bit later with details of how your site will improve it. You're right, they aren't interested in reading your business plan (in reality noone ever will be! ;) ) It doesn't need to be long, you need to be able to grab someones interest in your business during a quick 20 second conversation, so as others have already said you need a very clear differentiator that you quickly verbalise.
 
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NinjaStory

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you need a very clear differentiator that you quickly verbalise.

This is something I believe I have, actually. I've described the problem passively throughout this thread, and believe I have the solution (which according to my research applies to at least 45% of the current market - that's about 13m people, for the record).

I wouldn't feel comfortable discussing the finer details here, but others (again, non-biased individuals) have expressed great confidence.

I'm going to give this a go one way or another - even if it kills me. The odds aren't brilliant at all but that, oddly, rather excites me. :)
 
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Hi Ninja

As othjers have said, the challenging bit is getting hold of the right person at the insurance companies.... How many insurance companies will you need to speak to?

I think a potentially good place to start is to see if they have an Affiliate Manager or a Marketing Manager/Online Marketing Manager. Even if these arent the right people, they are likely to know who would be responsible.

Good Luck!
 
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Speak to the underwritters first.

The technology isnt that difficult in reality as there are only several widely used insurance quote systems in the market like mysis etc.

Now that NU Direct are offering to tell customers their competitors quotes the others will soon follow which will decrease the need for a comparative website. The market is quite saturated and the additional services that confused and money supermarket have make it very difficult to enter this market now even in a niche guerilla way as they have the infastructure and contacts in place to offer the same service/niche in a much accelerated timescale and then have the cash to buy market share.
 
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Comparison websites are just online brokers but that have taken the old 'brokering' method (which is essentially a computer system such as mentioned above) and instead redecorating it and calling it 'comparing' - they are both the same.

There are only 2 ways to offer insurance and that is underwriter to customer and underwriter via broker who compares to customer. Both are totally saturated and don't need reinventing. The direct method is as old as the hills now and so it's lost it's USP.

Very few really care about the benefits that come with car insurance (or indeed understand them) so in 95% of cases it comes down to price. This means that any frills that compare sites offered and mostly wasted.

I admire your will power to succeed and continue but you are reinventing the wheel and I speak as someone who's worked in the insurance industry for 10 years.
 
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Very few really care about the benefits that come with car insurance (or indeed understand them) so in 95% of cases it comes down to price. This means that any frills that compare sites offered and mostly wasted.

I would agree with that to a degree. My wife runs the motor/personal lines insurance side for a large finance house who work mostly with high net worth clients. In these cases its the benefits like agreed valuation full european cover and same class of car courtesy vehicles etc.

But again the high net worth market arent looking for comparrision they are looking for server at a broker/personal level.

Didnt know you worked in insurance gary!!! :eek:
 
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But again the high net worth market arent looking for comparrision they are looking for server at a broker/personal level.

Totally agree, but I was generalising. I wouldn't expect high net worth folk to be using such a site.

Yep - I was there during the glory years - Brokering right through to loss adjusting:)
 
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Interesting thread.

I don't think the situation is quite the same as the 'EBay situation. The problem with starting of an EBay rival is the old 'chicken and egg syndrome' with attracting new sellers and buyers. This would not necessarily apply to a new comparison site.

I personally think there is room for a new comparison site if done correctly. There was an interesting article in the Independent last week 'comparing' comparison sites (albeit utility ones). The researchers found many inconsistencies such as out of date and no longer available offers, different prices for the same offers and the biggest complaint: that often the first results returned where not the best offers but the ones that provided the site owners with the biggest commission.

If your model included truly 'accurate' and 'honest' results you might have a chance of making an impression.

BUT if you do not get the 'buy in' of the providers from the start I cannot see how you could succeed. You need their support to make the site work. I would certainly not resort to techniques such as 'screen scraping' as this would have all sorts of technical and legal problems.

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Having read through the thread I think you seem to have the right atittude and the key is to get the meetings with the insurers to get their buy in otherwise its not going to get anywhere. I'm not sure if I now give you an option on this blog as I have access to a network of consultants including IT who have looked your situation. So perhaps you can send me a PM to see what the options are.
Thanks
 
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