Time to ban religious groups

[Steve Sellers]

Is it time that we banned many religious organisations and groups on the basis where a) they advocate fascist ideology b) they talk a lot of rubbish.

I refer to nonsense like this with particular relevance:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...a-sin--and-they-cant-get-over-it-7643992.html

 

[Consistency]

Ban anyone you don't agree with and think it rubbish????

A lot of people talk rubbish, it is a real fascist who would want you to be banned Mr Sellers, you can carry on talking rubbish if you want to.

 

[FreelanceSoftwareDeveloper]

Lets start with Christians then

 

[Steve Sellers]

I'm talking about banning religious groups who use "faith" as a stick to beat other people. Curing homosexuality is silly, and such groups preaching such rubbish is tantamount to preaching hatred.

Is there really a place in modern day democratic society for such hate filled views?

These are questions Connie, I'm not necessarily advocating banning them, I'm putting it out there for debate.

 

Is it time that we banned many religious organisations and groups on the basis where a) they advocate fascist ideology b) they talk a lot of rubbish.

I refer to nonsense like this with particular relevance:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...a-sin--and-they-cant-get-over-it-7643992.html

The forum would be nothing without the Tories.

So who don't you ban?

Earl

 

[Consistency]

I think the promotion of homosexuality should be illegal and that children should be faced with adverts saying some people are gay - get over it is a disgrace.

What someone does in their own room is up to them but I think it wrong when children are now having to make choices that they never had to. If a boy sees a girl he likes, it is as if he first has to be sure, thinking do I fancy peter or penny.

Some gay people are very very nice people and so gentle but there is also a militant section such as those who went to the hotel just to stir things and get compensation.

Would these have done that in the heart of Bradford in a Muslim community?

 

[FreelanceSoftwareDeveloper]

I'm talking about banning religious groups who use "faith" as a stick to beat other people. Curing homosexuality is silly, and such groups preaching such rubbish is tantamount to preaching hatred.

Is there really a place in modern day democratic society for such hate filled views?

These are questions Connie, I'm not necessarily advocating banning them, I'm putting it out there for debate.

Personally I think Witchcraft is less far fetched than God.

Groups of people ganging up on a Sunday to talk to a bloke in the sky is just as rubbish as anything that is classed as 'extremist'. The only difference is those crazy God botherers are easier to ignore.

 

[Steve Sellers]

The forum would be nothing without the Tories.

So who don't you ban?

Earl

Told you before I am not a tory. I'm all about the people, and no single political party reflects my views. My ballot paper shall be spoiled in a few weeks in the locals.

What someone does in their own room is up to them but I think it wrong when children are now having to make choices that they never had to. If a boy sees a girl he likes, it is as if he first has to be sure, thinking do I fancy peter or penny.

Do you reckon that kids seeing gay people could make them gay?

 

[Consistency]

Do you reckon that kids seeing gay people could make them gay?

It strongly influences.

 

[terryuk]

It strongly influences.

It strongly influences to run and tell mommy that daddy done something he should have done to her

 

[josor]

It strongly influences to run and tell mommy that daddy done something he should have done to her

Sorry I don't understand this sentence, is it supposed to be It strongly influences to run and tell mommy that daddy did something he shouldn't have done to her

That's the only sense I could make out of it, or is it something else?

 

[loubycee]

come on everybody, we all are entitled to opinions.

Is that not what time out is about, away from the stress of work. If you don't like it, either put in a valid point or ignore it.

And I'm here to check your spelling and grammar, should you wish it (see above)



Simple.

 

[Steve Sellers]

It strongly influences.

Influences them to find another man sexually attractive?

 

[terryuk]

Sorry I don't understand this sentence, is it supposed to be It strongly influences to run and tell mommy that daddy did something he shouldn't have done to her

That's the only sense I could make out of it, or is it something else?

Im not sure - confused myself on that one.

 

Told you before I am not a tory. I'm all about the people, and no single political party reflects my views. My ballot paper shall be spoiled in a few weeks in the locals.

Not saying you are a tory.

Just pointing out that the forum is populated in the main by lagely right of right wing thinking.

If you ban one group then where do you stop?

Plus it would be a tad boring if it was full of like minded people.:|

Earl

 

[Steve Sellers]

Life would indeed be boring Earl. Equally though there has to be a limit to free speech, well I think there should be.

If that speech preaches hatred likely to cause the restrictions on the rights of other then there should be a ban. Besides that what kind of idiot thinks homosexuality can be cured and can be caught like the common cold.

I see people supporting man united but it doesn't mean all of a sudden I am going to start supporting man united. Equally seeing gay men doesn't make me want to sing I am what I am and start cruising.

Maybe I should have phrased the original question better, should stupidity be outlawed!

 

[captaincloser]

Equally seeing gay men doesn't make me want to sing I am what I am and start cruising.

Yeah Steve, I agree but I cant help joining in with Village People when they get going with their song 'Its fun to stay at the WMCA'

 

Besides that what kind of idiot thinks homosexuality can be cured and can be caught like the common cold.

Oedipus's Dad.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex

Earl

 

[FreelanceSoftwareDeveloper]

Maybe I should have phrased the original question better, should stupidity be outlawed!

Again, can we start with those who talk to their imaginary friend in the sky

 

Maybe I should have phrased the original question better, should stupidity be outlawed!

How could I have a forum with one member.?

Earl

 

[FirstAidTraining]

Is it time that we banned many religious organisations and groups on the basis where a) they advocate fascist ideology b) they talk a lot of rubbish.

I refer to nonsense like this with particular relevance:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...a-sin--and-they-cant-get-over-it-7643992.html

You can't ban people for talking rubbish, and although that news item is pretty sickening and disgusting, I think it's important we let these people express themselves, so we can more easily identify them.
Banning things generally serves no purpose, but exposing these peoples fascist ideologies and ridiculing and defeating them openly and publicly is a much better approach I think.

 

[Hedgie]

Hold on. The thing that bugs me is that it is ok to promote homosexuality views in public on a bus but not ok to promote the opposite view? A case of double standards methinks.

Oh quick, we had best allow the homosexual advert as they may shout 'homophobia' if we dont and we dont want to upset anyone. What, the christians want an advert, tell them to get stuffed we dont care what they think as they wont shout anything!

 

[Hedgie]

As for banning people for talking rubbish well thats half the forum members gone then.

 

[Hedgie]

The promotion of homosexuality has found its way into any genre of TV programme now. If they put christian influences into programmes people would soon start moaning but it is deemed to be OK to promote homosexuality in the most inappropriate programmes.

 

[Consistency]

I personally am fed up of having it rammed down my throat.

 

[FreelanceSoftwareDeveloper]

I personally am fed up of having it rammed down my throat.

Does your church not have a cure for that

 

[Consistency]

I can simply turn the telly off or over.

 

[Consistency]

:redface: :redface: :redface: and a fourth :redface:

Too late to edit it now!!!

 

[FirstAidTraining]

I personally am fed up of having it rammed down my throat.

What tv are you guys looking at that you all seem to be exposed to homosexuality and homosexuals all the time? Certainly not the tv I watch!

 

[Consistency]

What tv are you guys looking at that you all seem to be exposed to homosexuality and homosexuals all the time? Certainly not the tv I watch!

Samsung 24inch.

 

[FirstAidTraining]

Samsung 24inch.

It was a serious question. What do you watch on tv that you feel homosexuality and some sort of homosexual agenda is being foisted on you all the time? It's certainly not the tv shows and films I watch. If homosexuals and homosexuality are part of the storyline or scripting, so what? Should tv and films pretend homosexuals don't exist, or that they live their lives like everyone else?

 

[Consistency]

Yes, from Soap Operas of all kinds to the news. It shows how accepted it has become that it is no longer noticed.

 

[FirstAidTraining]

Yes, from Soap Operas of all kinds to the news. It shows how accepted it has become that it is no longer noticed.

I don't watch soaps but if there's homosexual couples in them, great. I would guess these soaps also have people from all walks of life, cultures, and faiths also? They should if they're going to be representative of the viewers watching them.
Should soaps, films, tv shows and the news not show homosexuals or anything to do with homosexuality?

 

[FirstAidTraining]

It shows how accepted it has become that it is no longer noticed.

Why should it be noticed? Isn't it a good thing that people, regardless of their sexual preferences, can just go about living their day to day lives without fear of victimization just because of their sexuality?

 

[FirstAidTraining]

No but it would be a better things without my kids seeing men ram their tongues down each others throats

This is what I've been trying to get an answer to, but every one is just being vague. Consistency didn't name specific scenes from specific shows, just a vague reference to soaps and the news.
What show did your kids see two men ramming their tongues down each others throats?
Was it past the watershed? Was it a programme that kids shouldn't be watching anyhow? I seriously doubt such a scene was broadcast on CBBC!

 

[Steve Sellers]

Can someone explain to me how two men on tv kissing is "promoting homosexuality". When these men are kissing on eastenders and the like do they run a banner at the bottom of the screen saying "go on do it, you know you want to be gay now".

And who watches programmes with their children where "men ram their tounges down each others throats"? Are you sure they didn't catch you watching a dodgy channel?

 

[Consistency]

It is promoted as being ordinary and part of normal life and anyone who opposes it is being seen as out of the ordinary and outside of normal life.

The more a disorder is pandered to of this type the more it is accepted and the more people get it. Yes, I am sure I will be slated for that one maybe even infracted but it is my view and if I am infracted, it proves the point that freedom of speech is not acceptable in this country. Just like you can pick any colour you want, so long as it is yellow.

Let us look ouside of TV, carnivals etc, it is routine to have a gay stand promoting their activities.

There are children as young as five not knowing whether they want to be a boy or a girl. How has this come about? Only a sick society can create such a "disorder" and it is being pandered to and is quite an epidemic.

How can we repair this sick society, if we cannot speak out against it and when we do, it is us who are seen as the abnormal ones and we who have to walk on eggshells?

It is indeed a sadness.

 

[Furrtiv]

It's been a very, very long time since being gay was accepted as being a disorder. Quite frankly, being gay is "normal", it's found amongst various animals in nature including bonobo chimps (they're famous for it!) and to suppress a type of sexuality as wrong or a mental disorder is to suppress normality itself.
I'm not having children, but if I did, I'd expect them to be raised to accept that people are different in all apsects of life, including sexuality, and to not try to hurt, ridicule or suppress something just because they didn't think it was morally correct.
Why would you not wish your children to have sex education, including teachings about homosexuality, at school? Would you rather they remained ignorant of sex, and its consequences, for as long as possible, despite what their raging teenage hormaones may be demanding in a few years' time? I don't think these classes promote homosexuality, they just explain that it exists. Same with RE classes, here's what one religious group are about, here's what another religious group are about, etc.
Reading the article in the opening post, one would assume then that, as there's a "cure" for homosexuality, there must also be a "cure" for heterosexuality, assuming that sexuality is something that can be changed to fit in with a groups' preferences - will we see gays and lesbians trying to convert us boring straight people then?

 

[Consistency]

It's been a very, very long time since being gay was accepted as being a disorder. Quite frankly, being gay is "normal", it's found amongst various animals in nature including bonobo chimps (they're famous for it!) and to suppress a type of sexuality as wrong or a mental disorder is to suppress normality itself.
I'm not having children, but if I did, I'd expect them to be raised to accept that people are different in all apsects of life, including sexuality, and to not try to hurt, ridicule or suppress something just because they didn't think it was morally correct.
Why would you not wish your children to have sex education, including teachings about homosexuality, at school? Would you rather they remained ignorant of sex, and its consequences, for as long as possible, despite what their raging teenage hormaones may be demanding in a few years' time? I don't think these classes promote homosexuality, they just explain that it exists. Same with RE classes, here's what one religious group are about, here's what another religious group are about, etc.
Reading the article in the opening post, one would assume then that, as there's a "cure" for homosexuality, there must also be a "cure" for heterosexuality, assuming that sexuality is something that can be changed to fit in with a groups' preferences - will we see gays and lesbians trying to convert us boring straight people then?

I rest my case!!!

And yes, there are homosexuals who will try and insist that somewhere deep inside, there is a lesbian or gay or transgender etc, screaming to get out, with don't knock it till you have tried it mentality.

 

[Furrtiv]

What, like people have been trying to do with homosexuals for decades? Try being married, being conformed and fitting in? Because, you know, who you go to bed with is so bloody important to the rest of the world? Maybe that's why some of "them" are so out there and in your face?
But with every group, be it sexuality, religion, political opinion, etc, there are always the in-your-face types. I doubt the gay rights groups are any more vociferous, in reality, than the religious extremists, the BNP, the various animal rights groups, etc. There's always going to be a vocal minority trying to force their views on everyone else, and it isn't limited to the gay sector of society, as this article actually proves, in that media attention is being given to someone with a specific opinion on a certain subject matter.
That being said, I would not ban any religious group, nor indeed any political group, rights movement, etc, as down that path lie the thought police and the Orwellian nightmare. Much better to have open discussion.