The UN and Libya

[Cornish Steve]

While a brutal dictator continues to have troops and mercenaries shoot live rounds at his people, drop bombs on them, and more, what is the United Nations doing? Having a session to determine whether Libya should remain on its Human Rights Council, along with Cuba, China, Saudi Arabia, and other paragons of freedom.

This just reveals how much money is wasted on the United Nations and why we can't take the organisation seriously. For some time, the Human Rights Council has been a front to deflect criticism of council members by issuing edicts against their political enemies - and no one has the guts to call them on it. Maybe the troubles in Libya will open a few eyes.

 

[LicensedToTrade]

While a brutal dictator continues to have troops and mercenaries shoot live rounds at his people, drop bombs on them, and more...

Sounds like Pakistan, but wait aren't they a US ally?

 

[dingbat]

What did America do in Iraq? Go and check the footage of Iraqis being blown to pieces in Fallujah. That's after the Americans bombed their hospital first.

There were protests in Iraq last week too and people were shot by Kurdish troops. That didn't make any headlines.

Libya needs to become a democracy quick. That way they can murder who they like around the world.

 

[Subbynet]

Bugger off... The UK and US have been sucking up to Gaddafi for years, and NOW you think he is a problem? The guy has a bunch of crazy virgin women bodyguards, but no one thought he might be a megalomaniac? Don't make me laugh. We've known about the human rights issues all along and ignored it.

He was "useful" while he sold cheap oil and bought our weapons, and on the face of it "paid its debts from terrorism"...

Now its all gone Pete Tong the reaction is very different to Egypt or Tunisia.

No more shooting trips for Gaddafi in the English countryside!

Hypocrites.

 

[Dawg]

No hypocrisy. He had power and oil. People sucked up. He loses one or the other, people don't suck up. Perfectly rational.
We could of course leave all the sucking up, (and oil), to the Chinese whose Human Rights approach is slightly more robust. This will mean that a vast, dictatorial and ruthless state becomes more powerful quicker.
However, as the Chinese take over economically, politically and as we already owe them more money than we have, why not take the moral high ground from Shabby Towers, UK Ltd and pretend realpolitik was a nastiness thought up by a beastly German, and not for John Bull.
Now, back to my roast tofu in my Yurt.

 

[LicensedToTrade]

Bugger off... The UK and US have been sucking up to Gaddafi for years, and NOW you think he is a problem?

It is funny, I've searched through all your posts and not once since 2005 when you joined the forum have you tried to raise awareness of or put a stop to Gadaffi's regime. So why are you talking about it now? The same reason we are... it's on the news.

 

[Subbynet]

It is funny, I've searched through all your posts and not once since 2005 when you joined the forum have you tried to raise awareness of or put a stop to Gadaffi's regime. So why are you talking about it now? The same reason we are... it's on the news.

Well let me see...

Firstly, its a business forum, I don't trade with Libya or Gadaffi, I have very little reason to speak his name on this forum. (Or on any site tbh)

Secondly, I am not the UK Prime Minister, and haven't been past nor present - I'm sure that comes as no surprise. I have never been a member of Government, again no surprise I'm sure. What I think doesn't really matter.

Thirdly, this thread is not raising awareness to Gadaffi's actions, but that of the UN - its another post about the impotence of the UN. If you wish to search posts, try that of Steve's, and you'll find many condemning the UN. Like you say, I've been a member since 2005, we get to know each other, as we've had many "Off-Topic" discussions on a range of topics.

Forth, "this" has not been in the news, its not made any headlines anywhere by the looks of it, but heck, you can find many news stories about the actions the UN are taking. (BBC) Its not as if nothing is being done, which is what's implied here, does it really matter if it was voted on? It was hardly the major business of the day.

Fifth, I'm sure whenever you have seen news stories, or read about this man, you like everyone else knew he was a complete dick'tator. The terrorist actions of this man, the Lockerbie bombing for heavens sake...Do you really think anyone needed awareness raised? They knew exactly what they were dealing with.

 

[LicensedToTrade]

So to summarise, you think that the british government are hypocrites for only condemning Gadaffi since the protests and not having tried to tackle him in the past, yet you at the same time have made no efforts to do anything about it yourself? Talk about double standards.

Why is it ok for you to get away with not doing anything about Gadaffi but it isn't ok for the British government? You can't condemn the actions (or lack of actions) of others if you can't demonstrate what YOU have personally done to resolve the situation.

 

[Subbynet]

Sorry, yeah, hold on, I'll hop it to the UN with my team of ambassadors and tell them what I think. I'll get my Secret Security Service on the case too, and maybe, if my actions don't work, I'll use my military.

Urm, no, that isn't going to happen is it.

Sort it out LicenseToTrade, comparing what I can do with the British Government, I mean honestly?

 

[Parthelan]

yet you at the same time have made no efforts to do anything about it yourself? Talk about double standards.

I wrote him a right stinker of a letter back in the '80's but the fecker moved his tent and postie couldnt find him.

 

[LicensedToTrade]

Not very ambitious are you? Even Gadaffi had more ambition, he was a beduin born in a tent.

How many people have had strong feelings about something and achieved great things through trying?

My last words on the subject, if you can't put up, shut up.

 

[Subbynet]

Not very ambitious are you? Even Gadaffi had more ambition, he was a beduin born in a tent.

How many people have had strong feelings about something and achieved great things through trying?

My last words on the subject, if you can't put up, shut up.

Sorry, you cannot say I'm not ambitious because I have not taken these actions, the same actions that I bet you yourself have not taken - and billions of others too. Gross generalisations are never correct.

Everyone has different ambitions, so my actions will reflect this, but those who aspire and gain access to Government have the ability to do as you say. Given I was about 6yrs old when this man started his reign of terror, I was hardly in a place to do anything about it.

 

[hilhilginger]

Sounds like Pakistan, but wait aren't they a US ally?

Indians had their hard times at libya when violence break out. I think situations will become more complexed in middle east in near future

 

[Cornish Steve]

And now the UN is about to endorse a report praising Libya for its human rights record. This is surreal.