The Chinese are here!!!

[Funding for Communities]

Should we welcome them with open arms or do the Greenpeace bit and not invite them?

My opinion is we should welcome them and work with them. Two points

1, They are the second largest country by GDP in the world and unless we remain on friendly business terms we are in danger of looking inwards and for an island that's a fatal move.

2, You can only change things for the better by talking to someone not by talking at them.

Mike

 

[Pish_Pash]

There's a degree of irony, that we welcome them just as their own economy is starting to crater!

 

[GraemeL]

There's a degree of irony,

There's a degree of irony in There's a degree of irony

 

[Funding for Communities]

There's a degree of irony, that we welcome them just as their own economy is starting to crater!

There's a degree of irony in There's a degree of irony

Old Chinese proverb state "man who no like irony has many creases in his shirt"

 

[Funding for Communities]

Old Chinese proverb state "man who no like irony has many creases in his shirt"

These Cut price Mandarin evening classes are going really well

 

[MikeJ]

There's a degree of irony, that we welcome them just as their own economy is starting to crater!

6% growth. What a disaster.

 

[Ashley_Price]

"The Chinese are here!"

Erm, it's taken you a long time to notice this. The Chinese have been here since approximately the 17th Century.

But seriously, where does it state that Greenpeace don't want the Chinese here? I know they don't want the investment in nuclear power, but I am sure GP aren't saying they don't want Chinese people coming to the UK.

 

[Deleted member 226268]

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The Chinese have been here a long time.
Now they intend to take over.

Just like they are doing with Africa.
And Australia.

Buying up our country estates and national assets, taking over our major businesses,
installing their own car companies here, while our own car companies die off,
even taking over the task of building our major businesses for us.

At a price >>>>>>

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/61...int-GCHQ-Xi-Jinping-state-visit-David-Cameron


They have spent years flooding just about all of our markets with super-cheap goods, our companies cannot compete and have had to close
down, with all the consequent job losses, never to recover again.

Now the Chinese leader is over here on a reconnaissance visit, seeing what is left
to take over.
Call-me-Useless will be on his knees, licking Great Leader's boots, begging him not to close the Steel works.

If Call-me-Useless had any balls, that would be OUR steelworks, owned by us, OUR workers building the new power stations, and owned by us, not EDF / Chinese shareholders.


And we want our MG cars company back.
Well, the cars will be coming back, cheap imports from China.

Maybe there will be a new MG car company here in a few years,
British workers making Chinese MG cars.
There's some ultimate Irony.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mg/59305/mg-roadster-back-suv


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[Funding for Communities]

Hi Ashley,

But seriously, where does it state that Greenpeace don't want the Chinese here?

I was looking at the demonstrations along the Mall yesterday by Greenpeace as the Chinese leader travelled to Buckingham Palace. Most unwelcoming.

Mike

 

[Ashley_Price]

Like I said, that was in regards to the Chinese planned investment in our nuclear power plants - which obviously Green Peace are against.

 

[Deleted member 226268]

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Chinese president over here to buy MI6 building.
...... Likes the nice view over the Thames.

( Had some loose change in his pocket )

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...vernment-buildings-in-whitehall-a6701946.html

All Old Blighty is up for sale.....to foreigners.

Pssst ...... Want to buy an aircraft carrier ......cheap.
Only one left ....must go soon.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/uk-britain-warship-idUKBRE99E0K820131015
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[GraemeL]

I have heard of a time when Great Britain took advantage of the assets of many other countries, including China. Made us the country we are now.

 

[sirearl]

I have heard of a time when Great Britain took advantage of the assets of many other countries, including China. Made us the country we are now.

Slight difference between force of arms and investment banking.

 

[Pish_Pash]

6% growth. What a disaster.

The theory goes that ....

1. There's a lot who think the figure are anything but believable.

&

2. Anything under 7% = social unrest

....so yes, you could be right there.

 

[MOIC]

Every country looks after its own interests.

Nothing wrong with that.

It's a 2 way street.

The majority of Chinese have a great work ethic, have a desire to be successful and are prepared to work 8 days a week to achieve it.

Yes, they do have a different culture as well as business morals, but I guess that will change & improve with time & experience.

Perhaps instead of knocking the Chinese, business owners should look at what they can offer to the China market.

It's the biggest single market for any imported product.

The vast majority of international luxury brands are queuing to get into the shopping malls which are always packed.

@Pish_Pash Take a walk in the major cities in China and see for yourself the cars being driven, paid for by cash, the clothes being worn, the villas being lived in by the Uber Rich Chinese.

You have no conception of what wealth there is in China.

As for their economy "cratering", don't believe what you read.

Over 6% growth, year by year, over the past 10 years and forecast for "just" 6% for this year . . . .oh dear!

2 words. . . . Work Ethic

 

[Pish_Pash]

You have no conception of what wealth there is in China.

As for their economy "cratering", don't believe what you read.

Over 6% growth, year by year, over the past 10 years and forecast for "just" 6% for this year . . . .oh dear!

I doubt you'd be able to instantly visibly discern 1% change, but the problems it brings are 'in the post' so to speak (& that's if all we're believing the 6% figure...many are raising an eyebrow), but hey, I understand with a moniker of 'My Office in China', I really wouldn't expect you to say "Things are gonna get ugly in China!"

 

[The Byre]

2 words. . . . Work Ethic

Two words that frighten the Brits!

It was Napoleon who said "When China awakens, the World will tremble!"

He probably imagined that they would somehow seek to dominate the World militarily, as that was the life he understood. But they have learnt the lessons of the past few hundred years and Germany in particular. Military might is fleeting and brings opposition. Economic might is overwhelming and mostly welcome.

We have been living on borrowed money for decades. If a man works 60 hours a week and his neighbour works just 30 hours a week, it will not be long before that man has bought his neighbours house and allows him to live there, as long as he pays rent.

Which reminds me - I've got work to do!

 

[MOIC]

I understand with a moniker of 'My Office in China', I really wouldn't expect you to say "Things are gonna get ugly in China!"

Don't let my company name fool you.

I was born and bred in England, just moved my office to China, as that is where all my customers were/are/will be buying their goods from.

I tell you what I see at first hand, not what I read or see on TV.

I have nothing to gain from telling the truth.

Sadly, you have outdated views of the current China.

Believe what you read & ignore what expats tell you of "real life" in China.

No problem.

 

[MOIC]

Two words that frighten the Brits!

It was Napoleon who said "When China awakens, the World will tremble!"

He probably imagined that they would somehow seek to dominate the World militarily, as that was the life he understood. But they have learnt the lessons of the past few hundred years and Germany in particular. Military might is fleeting and brings opposition. Economic might is overwhelming and mostly welcome.

We have been living on borrowed money for decades. If a man works 60 hours a week and his neighbour works just 30 hours a week, it will not be long before that man has bought his neighbours house and allows him to live there, as long as he pays rent.

Which reminds me - I've got work to do!

Couldn't have put it better myself!

 

[Pish_Pash]

Don't let my company name fool you.

It didn't ....let's put it this way - if I had a company name/forum name called 'British Steel Rocks'....I probably wouldn't wanting to be talking too much about the headwinds presently being faced! (to paraphrase the Italian Job...."we are the self preservation society")

But hey....let's reconvene in a year & see how this pesky 1% drop in growth mapped out.

 

[Funding for Communities]

Like I said, that was in regards to the Chinese planned investment in our nuclear power plants - which obviously Green Peace are against.

 

[Funding for Communities]

Like I said, that was in regards to the Chinese planned investment in our nuclear power plants - which obviously Green Peace are against.

I did say the "do the Greenpeace bit" by which I meant the stance of many Charities and organisations like them & Amnesty International etc: that have problems with China and demonstrate against there visit

 

[TMGG]

When Bush came over he was kept well away from the protests. Funny that.

 

[MOIC]

if I had a company name/forum name called 'British Steel Rocks'....I probably wouldn't wanting to be talking too much about the headwinds presently being faced!

Is that supposed to be an analogy?

I believe in saying it as it is.

If hearing the truth upsets you, keep your blinkers on

I reckon that one day your business will be influenced by China (If it isn't already).

Be well.

 

[john1989]

I reckon that one day your business will be influenced by China (If it isn't already).

Be well.

It already has.

We've all bought Chinese imitations at one point or another and regretted it when its fell to bits. ;-)

 

[MOIC]

It already has.

We've all bought Chinese imitations at one point or another and regretted it when its fell to bits. ;-)

You've hit the nail on the head!

The British buy copies. . . . .The Chinese buy the originals!

It's not good enough for the Chinese to go to Hong Kong to buy their designer products, they prefer to go to Paris for their Louis Vuitton, Milan for their Prada & London for their Burberry goods.

Touche

 

[Andrew Chambers]

It already has.

We've all bought Chinese imitations at one point or another and regretted it when its fell to bits. ;-)

They do electronics well, you can't really argue with that.

Anything mechanical is shockingly awful. I'd never buy anything of theirs that's mechanical again. It's going to be a worry having "made in China" stamped on the side of a nuclear power plant for sure.

 

[MOIC]

I remember when Made In Japan was shunned and thought of as cheap crap.

Times are a changing.

To be fair, you get what you pay for and this is no different when buying goods in China.

If you want your product based on price, which most UK buyers do, then expect cheap quality.

There are many "High End" factories in China, that will make your jaw drop.

Many of the international designers now have their goods manufactured in China.

If it's good enough for them . . . . .

 

[Ashley_Price]

To be fair, you get what you pay for and this is no different when buying goods in China.

If you want your product based on price, which most UK buyers do, then expect cheap quality.

A programme about UK trade and industry a couple of years back with Evan Davis made an interesting point. While we are buying more and more products made in China, the Chinese want products made in England!

They see Chinese-produced items as inferior and apparently one of the biggest selling folding bikes in China, is the Brompton - made in London.

 

[TMGG]

Yes and No, Ashley. The middle class in China want certain items from outside China, such as baby foods because of paranoia from various food doctoring scandals. For the very wealthy of course buying European luxury brands is big.

 

[Mr A P Davies]

I buy quite a bit of Chinese stuff, and from what I have seen the quality is improving over the last few years. They ain't thick, they want to do trade.

I've just bough a long reach hedgecutter. Chinese made, £130. There is nothing wrong with it. It's not heavy duty contractors kit, but it will pay for itself.
Next step up is a Japanese one, £450 upwards, but I don't have the work for that, can't justify it.

Some kit, I do buy top quality Japanese, coz I need it, but most the Chinese stuff I've bought has been worth the money. A lot of it is crap, but a lot of it is very reasonable quality for the price.

I, for one, hope they continue to bring their goods to the market, I like them.

 

[sirearl]

You have no conception of what wealth there is in China.

For a very few that may be true,but for the majority...

Working 8 days a week is not conducive to a healthy life.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/01/20/the-china-miracle-a-rising-wealth-gap/

 

[Mitch3473]

I buy quite a bit of Chinese stuff, and from what I have seen the quality is improving over the last few years. They ain't thick, they want to do trade.

I've just bough a long reach hedgecutter. Chinese made, £130. There is nothing wrong with it. It's not heavy duty contractors kit, but it will pay for itself.
Next step up is a Japanese one, £450 upwards, but I don't have the work for that, can't justify it.

Some kit, I do buy top quality Japanese, coz I need it, but most the Chinese stuff I've bought has been worth the money. A lot of it is crap, but a lot of it is very reasonable quality for the price.

I, for one, hope they continue to bring their goods to the market, I like them.

Quite agree.......
I have bought quite a few ' cheap' chinese strimmers, hedge trimmers, water pumps, power tools etc and they work fine. As long as you tighten the bolts and service them regularly they are cost effective (A 55cc strimmer, for example, 7 years old, bought new for £130 off ebay, it is now well used and still going strong). Would never buy a cheap chinese ' honda' generator though. You cant trust them. Go for the original if you really depend on it.

 

[MOIC]

A programme about UK trade and industry a couple of years back with Evan Davis made an interesting point. While we are buying more and more products made in China, the Chinese want products made in England!

They see Chinese-produced items as inferior and apparently one of the biggest selling folding bikes in China, is the Brompton - made in London.

This is true for "China Brands" as the Chinese realise that these brands fall short of necessary "Western" certificates and standards.

This is totally different to "Western Brands" having their goods made in China, that adhere to all the required certificates & standards.

It is commonplace that the "Western Brands" who manufacture in China, have their own technicians, engineers and quality control within the factories to oversee production.

More and more western brands are now setting up their manufacturing bases in China to take advantage of the low cost base of manufacturing in China.

There is a flip side.

China Brands are setting up bases in western countries, mainly in USA & Australia to have their China Brands manufactured in order to sell back to the China consumer, so they can have the Made In USA, Made In Australia labels.

For the past 50 years, most factories have been relying on orders from outside of China.

This is now not the case.

Many China factories now are gearing up to supply their local markets, as their economy has grown and the middle class has more money to spend than their western counterparts.

The dynamics have changed.

 

[MOIC]

For a very few that may be true,but for the majority...

Working 8 days a week is not conducive to a healthy life.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/01/20/the-china-miracle-a-rising-wealth-gap/

Of course you can not make a general statement for the whole population of China and it would be foolish to try to do so.

You have to understand that 70 years ago, 90% of the China population were farmers.

The growth rate has been nothing short of outstanding and yes most of the population are still farmers.

However, the amount of middle class in China and the money they have, far exceed the numbers in any individual western country.

Wealth in China is not being a "£Millionaire", it's being a "£Billionaire, of which there are many and growing at a frightening rate. (I am referring to young entrepreneurs in their 20's & 30's)

Underestimate China & it's potential, but you will soon be buying their products, riding their trains, living in their hotels and flying on their planes.

For those needing to borrow money, you will soon be borrowing from China banks and investment houses.

It's not too far away.

 

[billycan]

'Inviting' China and France, for that matter, to build and manage our future nuclear power generating industry is just another aspect of the totally incomprehensible ambition of this and previous administrations to sell off Britain's strategic infrastructures.

I can't imagine France or Germany or the US doing the same. I find it so utterly humiliating and shaming how we have ended up like this; the founders of the industrial revolution, inventors of steam turbines, jet engines, television, MRI scanners, discoverers of antibiotics, DNA. etc, etc.

If we have a future spat with China, what then? 'Sorry Mr Cameron (he kneeling and grovelling on our behalf) no more spare parts for your power stations.....' AAAGH, who needs enemies when we have politicians like this.

Actually, we can't do anything about our enemies because Cameron has taken a hacksaw to most of our air force...hang on we have a new aircraft carrier, sorry no aircraft to deploy on it. American F-35 not ready yet, hang on hasn't that plane got vertical take off capabilities developed in....Oh well.

 

[The Byre]

Then Chinese do this - the Chinese do that! What a silly discussion! The Chinese are one quarter of humanity and their homeland stretches across a vast area, ranging from the tropics (it will be raining in five minutes and will last for 35 minutes) to the sparse steppes to the North.

Some are excruciatingly lazy, some go on protest marches just for fun. Some are fat, some are thin. Some are geniuses, some are as thick as a dead fish.

Some of the most beautifully designed and manufactured electronic goods I have ever seen came from China. But then the worst I have ever seen came from China.

Chinese products are this! German products are that! What? The products are as varied as their people! If you make your buying decisions on the basis of their country of origin, then you are an idiot!

 

[Andrew Chambers]

Then Chinese do this - the Chinese do that! What a silly discussion! The Chinese are one quarter of humanity and their homeland stretches across a vast area, ranging from the tropics (it will be raining in five minutes and will last for 35 minutes) to the sparse steppes to the North.

Some are excruciatingly lazy, some go on protest marches just for fun. Some are fat, some are thin. Some are geniuses, some are as thick as a dead fish.

Some of the most beautifully designed and manufactured electronic goods I have ever seen came from China. But then the worst I have ever seen came from China.

Chinese products are this! German products are that! What? The products are as varied as their people! If you make your buying decisions on the basis of their country of origin, then you are an idiot!

The real problem with Chinese mechanical products is that every dodge pot, get quick (so they think) merchant buys the cheapest products they can to flog on Amazon/eBay. Needed to replace a chainsaw this year, looking on Amazon there are about 50 "brands" all of the exact same item. Ordered one, it came in about 20 bits, damn thing wasn't even assembled. It lasted about twenty minutes before it died. I should have known better as I had the same issue a few years back with a strimmer.

I don't doubt there are quality mechanical Chinese products made, we just don't get to see them as a rule.

 

[The Byre]

As the owner of woodland, I do know my chainsaws. There are two brands of chainsaw on Planet Earth - Husqvarna and Stihl. Everything else, inc. 'name' brands are just dangerous rubbish. That's ALL of them! I know, because I've tried them all!

Stihl will last for ever but most professionals tend to use Husqvarna as they start more easily. Stihl make the best chains though. Get yourself a small electric chain sharpener from Clarke.

You can get every spare part for every model of Stihl and Husqvarna, so you never have to throw them away.

 

[The Byre]

As the owner of woodland, I do know my chainsaws. There are two brands of chainsaw on Planet Earth - Husqvarna and Stihl. Everything else, inc. 'name' brands are just dangerous rubbish. That's ALL of them! I know, because I've tried them all!

Stihl will last for ever but most professionals tend to use Husqvarna as they start more easily. Stihl make the best chains though. Get yourself a small electric chain sharpener from Clarke.

You can get every spare part for every model of Stihl and Husqvarna, so you never have to throw them away.