Spinning content for link building

[terryuk]

A side from spinning content for mass generated pages, there are other ways you can add some value to the page, e.g Google Maps, backlink to relevant websites/pages, and various other free widget tools or snippets to grab pieces of information..

Look at http://informe.com/, I've started seeing this site across the board and that is nothing more than a few bots at work.

 

[JohnnyCash]

The spun content won't be on my site. It'll be on 3rd party sites. If you do manage to land on a spun article and click away, I don't care because I've not lost anything - you wouldn't have landed on my site anyway.

So basically, you are happy to use the resources of others... but you dont care because you are not using up your own resources

Places like ezine articles want you to spam them up - they're relying on you to do it so that they get random long tail traffic that will click on their ads.

If you're paying blog owners to host the content, you're not wasting the resources - you're buying them.

In most instances, 1000 spun articles WILL beat your competitors, if you place them in suitable places with links back to your main site on them.
Only if you are in a very uncompetitive market

Not true at all. If you have a reasonable site already, 1000 backlinks pointing to a new section of a website you've added is almost certainly going to rank it.

Its neither a waste of time or resources, because the return on my investment in both is high - its worth doing. To say its "disrespectful" is a bit of an over reaction! Its hardly up there with burning Korans is it?
Disrespectful, is filling up other peoples servers full of rubbish, ignoring the time an effort that surfers take up when they are really looking for something to find they endlessly have to click back on the browser because they have found yet another poor article.

Any damage I do by people accidently seeing these garbage posts, I more than make up for by using them to rank really awesome sites with

You say it is worth doing... actually what is worth doing is investing yoru time and writing 1000 unique and useful articles. That wil benefit you, and benefit the end user

Please explain to me exactly how this benefits me, and you not liking spam, or wasting other peoples time, isn't a valid answer. Spinning 1000 articles saves me $4000 and a lot of time and effort. You've not given me a single good reason that benefits *me* not to do it.

Time and budget is the whole point of doing it in the first place - its faster and cheaper to spin 1000 articles for link building, than it is to pay someone to create them the old fashioned away
I see this is the case, but you shift the burden of effort from yoruself, to the end user

Thats cool, for my lead gen sites I'm fine with that. I need to eat.

I don't agree that its not as rewarding as other link building methods, as they all go hand in hand - if I pay someone to host a page of content, then I'm going to need to give them the content, so I just pull one from the spun content pile.
Rewarding to me would be seeing visitors with a wide range long tail searches landing on my site, because I provided them excellent content

Excellent content isn't enough - without backlinks pointing to it, nobody is going to see it...

I would far rather have 100 spun articles on 3rd party sites, linking back to me, than the 100 articles on my own site. Although they're textually unique, they all say exactly the same thing. There would be very little reason to have them all on your own site, and you'd have very little excuse for it if someone realised you'd done it
So you know really it is wrong, you are simply pushing your luck, and seeing how far you can go without being penalised> As long as it isnt on your server, you should be OK, the fact that the chap with the other server might take a hit is neither here nor there to you

I didn't say its wrong did I? Nobody else is going to get penalised for hosting it either, thats just silly to even suggest that.

If someone spams and nobody is there to see it, is it really spam?
Spam is spam, and yes people see it, and then click back. In addition to that.. If google need to put in 40% more servers to crawl through the crap, then what you are doing is really costing another company (Google). You are also costing the employers of peoplke whose jobs it is to tresearch things> When you do research things online, it becomes pretty evident that you have to wade through a tide of rubbish to find the gem. Most of that tide of rubbish is there to manipulate search engines. The Gem is aimed at a human

Google are happy with spam and nonsense, do you think things like Mahalo and eHow wouldn't be allowed to rank otherwise? If you monetize your garbage in the end with adsense, Google are cashing in too.

For you, content is just a tool or resourse to drag people to your website, a way of artificially moving you up the search rankings higher than you deserver to be, because the site in question either lacks content or real authoritory.

Now you're just making assumptions. Again, I could have the best content on my topic in the world, but without backlinks nobody gets to see it. But you are right on one part, yes I see low quality content purely as a tool to rank my own sites. Nothing wrong with that.

For me, the resources of others are as important as my own resources

Thats the kind of attitude that will keep you poor. Nothing wrong with that as such, if you're happy always coming 2nd to someone else and them making more than you, thats fine.

 

[DesignerNick]

I think again people are commenting on things they have never tried or don't know much about

It is hardly spamming other peoples hosting is it? They want these articles to generate them long tails to make money from ads?

 

[DesignerNick]

The spun content won't be on my site. It'll be on 3rd party sites. If you do manage to land on a spun article and click away, I don't care because I've not lost anything - you wouldn't have landed on my site anyway.

So basically, you are happy to use the resources of others... but you dont care because you are not using up your own resources

If people decide they want to make article directories, they have to accept people will be using their site for their own gain (SEO, Backlinks). The article sites like the long tail traffic, they get ad clicks. Do you think people make the article directories out of boredom?

Its neither a waste of time or resources, because the return on my investment in both is high - its worth doing. To say its "disrespectful" is a bit of an over reaction! Its hardly up there with burning Korans is it?
Disrespectful, is filling up other peoples servers full of rubbish, ignoring the time an effort that surfers take up when they are really looking for something to find they endlessly have to click back on the browser because they have found yet another poor article.

It is hardly rubbish. The Best Spinner is used to make sure that the articles are still using Decent English, make sense and are still informative. It is not like it is posting a list of keywords?

I don't agree that its not as rewarding as other link building methods, as they all go hand in hand - if I pay someone to host a page of content, then I'm going to need to give them the content, so I just pull one from the spun content pile.
Rewarding to me would be seeing visitors with a wide range long tail searches landing on my site, because I provided them excellent content

Does it matter if you are a copyrighting expert or have a degree in the subject the article / page is about? At the end of the day it is there to get you traffic, to get people onto your site and then hit them with the call to action.

I would far rather have 100 spun articles on 3rd party sites, linking back to me, than the 100 articles on my own site. Although they're textually unique, they all say exactly the same thing. There would be very little reason to have them all on your own site, and you'd have very little excuse for it if someone realised you'd done it
So you know really it is wrong, you are simply pushing your luck, and seeing how far you can go without being penalised> As long as it isnt on your server, you should be OK, the fact that the chap with the other server might take a hit is neither here nor there to you

The chap has an article website, it is made to have articles submitted to them? If they are in decent English and actually have a point to them then what is the problem? If bandwidth is an issue, he shouldn't run an article site?

By spining content, you must philosophically register that content is important. Where we differ is that for me content is for humans first

The Best Spinner is made so that it is still readable and makes sense, just unique. Have you ever used it?

Spun content may help you initially, but like all other black hat techniques - google have a answer for it

- bounce rate

I wouldn't really class content spinning as black hat.

The bounce rate isn't that important to some people. If they land on my blue widget page and click on an advert for a blue widget and leave my site then it makes me some money and they have bounced, but bounced making me money

 

[eventdomain]

Dont forget his number one seach engine in the world now that is some boast. No evidence to back it up though

yeah yeah yeah - but thanks for the free plug!

Every time Event Domain makes a claim that a method doesn't work, which a large number of us know DOES work

do you mean tools like that free advert toolbar TrafficG a few years back? So tell me, where is that toolbar now..... its dead mate, down with the dodos, yet it was said to be the greatest thing alive by the webmaster community.

If these ideas were so amazing, then surely the inventor would have made it far superior than whats on offer? And am pretty sure all these ideas will appeal to the desperate only. The sad thing is that such tools will be used to 'speed up' the spamming process.

Good luck in your spamming, I'm sure no important site or blog wants to know, and you'll end up annoying search engines who'll show their appreciation, I'm sure - probably by punishing your ass, which will hopefully cost you big time.

 

[JohnnyCash]

Google measures the bounce rate! Think on that

Google can't put too much weight on the bounce rate, because dependent on what you're doing, a high bounce rate might actually be a sign of quality.

What they can do is check whether you went straight back to Google and searched for something else similar, that wouldn't be good for you. But if they landed on an article site, who cares? The black mark goes against them, not you.

 

[DesignerNick]

Lets think about this

You post an article on website designed for spammy articles, which is a pile of crap

The user who is searching out of desparation then clicks on a advert, because that actually looks like it might be of some help.

The owner of the spammy article site makes money out of this, So does google. Ypu get yourself a juicy backlink

The person who really looses out is the owner of the site paying for the advert (because by rights they probrably should have been in a decent organic position), the second person that looses is the surfer, who gets hacked off going round in circles looking for whatever it is they are searching for

So if a spammy article website is sitting at the top of google then surely the competitors are doing something wrong for being outranked by content you say won't rank?

 

[eventdomain]

Disrespectful, is filling up other peoples servers full of rubbish, ignoring the time an effort that surfers take up when they are really looking for something to find they endlessly have to click back on the browser because they have found yet another poor article.

Exactly, why do people risk annoying the searcher with another spam article, this is not a good thing.

landing on my site, because I provided them excellent content

Yep, how many times has Quality won over quantity - the visitor decides what they like, and if they view some poor article, this must drive them away from your site.

 

[JohnnyCash]

Yet again, a display of a complete lack of understanding of what is being discussed...

Exactly, why do people risk annoying the searcher with another spam article, this is not a good thing.

If they somehow land on one of these spun articles, they're not even going to associate it with your real site, so if you annoy them or bore them it really doesn't matter.

and if they view some poor article, this must drive them away from your site.

No, because if they view some poor article, they're on a site hosting a linking article, they're not even on your site to drive them away from it...

 

[RadiusBPO]

I don't normally like to mention SEOMOZ because I feel they contribute a lot to the disinformation we see posted everywhere but this is an interesting article which explains a lot of the opinions expressed in this thread - http://www.seomoz.org/ugc/be-skeptical-be-confident


What seems to be happening is people who haven't tested something are making massive sweeping statements that something is a bad idea and will never work but if it did you will likely get banned for doing it. And then there are people who use this technique frequently, test different methods and have proven results stating something does work.
Why don't the 1st group listen and alter their view? Maybe they don't care but then why express such strong opinions in the 1st place?


It has been said a few times in this thread that these articles hardly ever rank and certainly won't rank for the keywords you're targeting. The ones that do rank for long tail random keywords are helping the site owners (and Google) make money from the Adsense. What is so hard to understand?

 

[RadiusBPO]

And what was the point of you putting the article on? - to gain rank from the article site. And if Google dont put any weight on your article, because it has a high bounce rate... you loose, because according to google the link is rubbish

So you save time now, but long term, you have to repeat your work, because google eventually demote the value of the link

Does bounce rate effect ranking? I look after SEO for some sites on 1st page for what I consider fairly competitive but their bounce rates are 85-90%... Surely if bounce rate was a ranking factor they would have dropped?

 

[DesignerNick]

You keep saying this. We all understand what is being discussed, it is just we dont all happen to agree with your point of view

You are saying it wont work but havent tried it, Johnny is saying he has tried it and it does work?

Fair enough if you had tried it, it is the same as Event Domain and his affiliate marketing doesnt work claims!

You say these articles wont rank but then you are saying it isnt fair that people click on these articles in google?

 

[cmcp]

Are you saying you have tried it or worked with others who have? Cause I don't believe you.

 

[JohnnyCash]

You keep saying this. We all understand what is being discussed, it is just we dont all happen to agree with your point of view

That comment was aimed at eventdomain, I should have put it after his quote instead of before.

I realise you understand what the issue is, partly. Eventdomain is on another planet as usual.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

yeah yeah yeah - but thanks for the free plug!



do you mean tools like that free advert toolbar TrafficG a few years back? So tell me, where is that toolbar now..... its dead mate, down with the dodos, yet it was said to be the greatest thing alive by the webmaster community.

If these ideas were so amazing, then surely the inventor would have made it far superior than whats on offer? And am pretty sure all these ideas will appeal to the desperate only. The sad thing is that such tools will be used to 'speed up' the spamming process.

Good luck in your spamming, I'm sure no important site or blog wants to know, and you'll end up annoying search engines who'll show their appreciation, I'm sure - probably by punishing your ass, which will hopefully cost you big time.

ED you make me giggle. Whenever you are pushed into a corner and proved wrong, you come up with straw man arguments.
NO i do not mean whatever piece of junk you are referring to right there, (As it was my quote that I am replying to, you quoted my reply to you.

I am talking about rewriting articles and sending a relatively unique legible article to different article sites/blogs.

I will state right now that it works, and, if associated work is also done, it works very well as a part of the overall scheme of things.

Now you can bleat and shout that it doesn't work as much as you like, but I think you should qualify that with the statement that YOU could not get it to work for you (assuming you tried it becaiuse I don't think anyone would state something doesn't work if they had no first hand experience of it failing to work.

SO assuming that you have tried this method and it is failed. Will you agree with the statement that it didn't work for you?

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which of these is the original and which is spun?

"The Little Mermaid" is a fairy tale by the Danish poet and writer Hans Christian Andersen written about a young mermaid willing to give up her life in the water and her being as a mermaid to gain a human soul and the love of a human prince.
Written originally for ballet, the story was first published in 1837 and has been changed for various forms including musical theatre and animated film.
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"The Little Mermaid" is a fictional story by the Danish poet and author Hans Christian Andersen all about a child mermaid willing to trade her life in the sea and her being as a mermaid to obtain a human soul and the love of a human prince.
Written originally as a ballet, the story was first published in 1837 and has been re-written for many genre including musical theatre and animated film.
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"The Little Mermaid" is a fictional story by the Danish poet and author Hans Christian Andersen all about a child mermaid willing to trade her life in the sea and her being as a mermaid to obtain a human soul and the love of a human prince.
Written originally as a ballet, the story was first published in the late 1800's and has been adapted for many genre including musical theatre and animated film.
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"The Little Mermaid" is a fairy tale by the Danish poet and writer Hans Christian Andersen all about a child mermaid willing to trade her life in the water and her being as a mermaid to get a human soul and the love of a human prince.
Written originally for ballet, the tale was first published in the 19th century and has been re-jigged for various genre including musical theatre and animated film.
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Any thoughts? This is a couple of minutes of syntax, it is not perfect, and is not really spun enough. but it should give you an idea of output quality.

The article sites want unique content, if you can provide unique content that reads well, then everyone wins.

 

[DesignerNick]

Safe to say that none of the above looks spammy

I think again it is people not really knowing much about it.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Sorry, if you are trying to convince us that this is a passable example of unique content you must be wrong

So they are all the same then?

Please explain what you are saying.

I have made it quite clear what I have asked and the conditions. you OTOH have ignored the simple question, and put up a strawman argument.

Honestly sometimes on forums it is like juggling eels

 

[JohnnyCash]

Sorry, if you are trying to convince us that this is a passable example of unique content you must be wrong

Its probably not spun enough to pass Copyscape, but like he says it was only a few minutes work. "a human soul and the love of a human prince." , "including musical theatre and animated film." and "and her being as a mermaid to" stand out a little because they've obviously not been spun.

I think the parts that were spun in that example, show that it is obviously going to work if you spend time doing it properly.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Its probably not spun enough to pass Copyscape, but like he says it was only a few minutes work. "a human soul and the love of a human prince." , "including musical theatre and animated film." and "and her being as a mermaid to" stand out a little because they've obviously not been spun.

I think the parts that were spun in that example, show that it is obviously going to work if you spend time doing it properly.

And that is my point. it is the old Computer addage of GIGO

 

[UKSBD]

Worth bearing in mind that an article on ezine and other articles sites won't rank in pages from UK.

That very same article on a UK based website can get you a number 1 ranking when doing a pages from UK search.

The same goes for Google.fr, de, etc.

And these articles don't even need spinning.

 

[DesignerNick]

Its probably not spun enough to pass Copyscape, but like he says it was only a few minutes work. "a human soul and the love of a human prince." , "including musical theatre and animated film." and "and her being as a mermaid to" stand out a little because they've obviously not been spun.

I think the parts that were spun in that example, show that it is obviously going to work if you spend time doing it properly.

That is the point, I am not sure what Place of Design and Event Domain think this does. I doubt if they looked at any of the properly spun articles they would be able to tell.

 

[DesignerNick]

I see what you are saying, it is just to my eye, they are so close that they really would be duplicate content. I am being careful as as we all well know I am not the ultimate arbiter of this

That is when you have them next to each other, imagine them more spun so it all passes copyscape on different websites scattered. Not really spammy is it?

I can understand your point if it was just a list of keywords thrown in.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

I see what you are saying, it is just to my eye, they are so close that they really would be duplicate content. I am being careful as as we all well know I am not the ultimate arbiter of this

Sorry my apologies I thought I had made it clear that this was just a sample to make clear that spun articles are not all junk. BADLY SPUN articles are junk, no question about that, and there is even a place for badly spun junk if used in agreement with all parties. i.e. if the site says it accepts spun content, then who is anyone else to decide they should not get it!

I deliberately spun that off the top of my head quickly without the use of any spinning software that suggests alternative phrases.

Here is a tip, articles die in article sites, so the beauty of a well spun well written article is that the instant a page is dropped by google, you can replace it with another to the same site. The article site wants pages in google, they earn their money from it, and as long as the articles served to them passes copyscape and is readable then what we have is a symbiotic relationship and not spam

If a site states no spun articles, then you ideally should honour that wish. My point with the 4 examples was, which is the otiginal, and which is the spun. The answer of course is that it is impossible to tell, because the most grammatically correct might well not be the original, it is just the best quality.

If you spend time on your spinning syntax (which for the benefit of Event domain and others means MANUALLY writing it), then the output content is unique enough for everyone to win. If you spin the anchor text author bio etc, then again that takes away a possible footprint give away in that department.

I think the statement I am trying (probably badly) to make is that Spinning doesn't have to mean spamming.

 

[DesignerNick]

The issue here (forgetting all the other issues about the moralities of it) is laziness

Here we are shown 4 versions of the same text, that have been spun, and still more work needs doing with them. The text was only a few sentances long, and we are allready saying more work needs doing

Here is a scenario
You want 1000 articles each with 4 paragraphs of text, each article is 500 words long, thats 500,000 words. Even if the software does a half decent job of giving you a starting place - with all the will in the world, you are going to glaze over, repeat yourself and die of beordom trying to make them all different.

OK so imagine this. I have 15,000 records in a database, all have say 15 or 20 variables with information about the product. Each product then has it's own page which gives 15,000 pages.

I don't want them to even slightly be duplicate so I spin the text and put the variables in so each and every one passes copyscape. Yes, it might be lazy but to sit there and write 15,000, why would I? Each page passes copyscape, it makes perfect sense in English and indexes nicely in Google and ranks too. What is the problem?

If you want to sit there and write those 1000 articles bit by bit then good luck, I would have probably made 10 more sites by then. It would take you forever to write them or a fortune to buy them.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

POD possibly you miss what is being proposed. You say we need 1000 articles to achieve a goal, if time and effort is spent on the preparation of the articles then 1000 wouldn't be needed also the article will spin many times and be unique.

it is easier and quicker to properly write syntax for an article than it is to write a completely new artile, it is more cost effective.

 

[MASSEY]

yeah yeah yeah - but thanks for the free plug!

You'll need a lot more free plugs than that
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It's an interesting debate that has developed. So basically what we are saying is done properly it does work and does not have to be un-readable mashed up spam but even if it is un-readable mashed up spam they arent going to rank so it does not matter

 

[JohnnyCash]

They spun articles themselves on article directories or lower end blogs wont rank for something like "credit cards" or "payday loans", but there is the chance of someone landing on them directly if they type in something really obscure which happens to match up with the article, like "Were can I get a credit card 0% Birmingham" etc.

 

[eventdomain]

Yet again, a display of a complete lack of understanding of what is being discussed...

I think what you are doing is great - great for attracting kids who want to steal your content.

No understanding

If they somehow land on one of these spun articles,

No, what happens is, they see the article and think

Oh, this isnt what I wanted, and click off to do another search

The only articles I think are useful are 'How to do something' or those containing tips - but with the huge wealth of info sites now, people just go to those instead. And they wont give you a link as your articles won't be on their radar - eg: your not a professional writer.

See, if I want tips on how to fix my computer, I dont go to an article bank, I'll go to one of the PC websites, that specialise in solely that. So to get your article seen, all those PC wanabee gurus, have to get on those sites, except they wont, as these specialists aren't a free for all link-drop centre.

You wont get on anything decent, you'll be locked-out so fast.....

 

[DesignerNick]

Who said anything about stealing content?

So if you are looking for tips on your computer, you will only read articles by professional writers? Funny that, I would look for articles by people in IT? The same as if I looked for something about my car, I would look for something from a mechanic.

I wouldn't give two ticks if it was a masterpiece of literature, if it helped me I would be happy

Again, you don't actually know what you are talking about You know best though, you are a multiple award winning publisher and all that so who is anybody else to say anything.

Listen to what people like OWG and Johnny are saying, it does work and it does help with SEO if you do it correctly.

 

[MASSEY]

See, if I want tips on how to fix my computer, I dont go to an article bank, I'll go to one of the PC websites, that specialise in solely that.

Most people google before landing on a proper web page. Short of having a site link the auto trader etc and the articles spun will be irrelevant because it's his site he will have ranking not the article.

This is where you are either trolling or are a genuinely confused individual.

 

[leons0133]

Content spinning is a great way to produce multiple unique content from just one article.It’s not going to produce link bait, but it definitely produces readable content good for backlink building with blog networks and article directories

 

[eventdomain]

because it's his site he will have ranking not the article.

Ofcourse...... but you seem to think your basics will somehow help you, and it wont.

Article spinning is dead, and the only ones clutching onto this are the very desperate, the uneducated and the fools. Chasing improved rankings is fairly pointless nowadays, as the rewards are low and sacrifice of effort involved is a mugs game.

SEOing websites is one thing, I agree this helps, but article spinning doesn't, just the effort alone is crazy, never mind anything else. People making out their experts in a subject just so they can knock out another link dropping tool - its insane, and your wasting your time.

The web is already infected with this stuff, people dont read it bcos they know its junk, they know its just desperados doing it for a quick link. No website of quality will bother accepting it - bcos its junk, and any article worth accepting in any specialism has few options as I doubt there's many Electrician websites that have the set-up to post articles in the first place.

Business portals may have an article posting form (but even this will be rare!) but I doubt business portals will want tradesman articles somehow, just purely based on its completely off-target for their readership. Articles are rarely a natural fit, again bcos of subject-blogs, and trying to locate a blog that will fit your article is pointless work, when finding a recip link will be easier. Will still get devalued, but at least you've a chance of some traffic from it.

There are so many ways to get free links, options galore and article spinning is too work-heavy. Why do you think companies have viral linking methods...... the fact the word 'Viral marketing' is used, only shows how much the web has moved on, and your still arguing on forums about articles and how great they are, so it shows how far behind you are compared to many thousands that are successfully doing the viral marketing thing.

 

[eog]

"Chasing improved rankings is fairly pointless nowadays"

I think that says it all.......once again a clueless statement

How is your viral marketing campaign going for event domain? You obviously practice what you preach?

 

[DesignerNick]

Article spinning is dead, and the only ones clutching onto this are the very desperate, the uneducated and the fools. Chasing improved rankings is fairly pointless nowadays, as the rewards are low and sacrifice of effort involved is a mugs game.

Yeah, that whole SEO thing and trying to get your site to the top of the rankings is a mugs game. Maybe you should try it as it might get your site some more traffic.

Being such an expert on the whole SEO game though you would know about using Meta Titles on all of your pages

Again, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about before posting. You are telling people who use it with positive results that it doesn't work.

 

[JohnnyCash]

Honestly, I'm starting to think you're just a troll with these stances you're taking. Either that you're not right in the head...

Article spinning is dead, and the only ones clutching onto this are the very desperate, the uneducated and the fools.

Article spinning in itself is merely a method of creating content. The only thing that matters is what you do with the content. Is link building dead? Writing guest posts? Paying people to host pages of content on their related sites?

Chasing improved rankings is fairly pointless nowadays, as the rewards are low and sacrifice of effort involved is a mugs game.

This must single handedly be the most idiotic thing you've came out with yet. Okay SEO is dead, lets just close the SEO sub forum...

SEOing websites is one thing, I agree this helps, but article spinning doesn't, just the effort alone is crazy, never mind anything else. People making out their experts in a subject just so they can knock out another link dropping tool - its insane, and your wasting your time.

Nonsense.

The web is already infected with this stuff, people dont read it bcos they know its junk, they know its just desperados doing it for a quick link. No website of quality will bother accepting it - bcos its junk, and any article worth accepting in any specialism has few options as I doubt there's many Electrician websites that have the set-up to post articles in the first place.

If you write a good quality article, and spend time then making it unique, you will be able to get good websites to accept it - they won't know its spun in the first place. For the junk places like article directories and spammy blogs, who cares if anyone reads it? It exists to give a back link, nothing more.

Articles are rarely a natural fit, again bcos of subject-blogs, and trying to locate a blog that will fit your article is pointless work, when finding a recip link will be easier. Will still get devalued, but at least you've a chance of some traffic from it.

Finding recip links is easier? Okay once you agree to a recip exchange of blog posts, where is this content going to come from? Can't be spinning of course, because you say thats dead already… For 99% of links, forget direct traffic from them. Thats why your site is failing. A really popular site isn't going to give you a homepage link for free, where it can send a lot of traffic over time. A blog post on a popular site will give you a very short term traffic boost. The real benefit is in getting the link, and ranking your own site to get the very targeted traffic from search engines.

There are so many ways to get free links, options galore and article spinning is too work-heavy. Why do you think companies have viral linking methods...... the fact the word 'Viral marketing' is used, only shows how much the web has moved on, and your still arguing on forums about articles and how great they are, so it shows how far behind you are compared to many thousands that are successfully doing the viral marketing thing.

More nonsense.

 

[Jimmau]

Its a bit dark side the spinning... and the quality is not aliways there... I tried to spin content but by the time I wrote 1 spinned content I could have write 3 or 4 content. Maybe I am just not good at spinning because in english I never tried but in french it can be tricky...

 

[JohnnyCash]

Its a bit dark side the spinning... and the quality is not aliways there... I tried to spin content but by the time I wrote 1 spinned content I could have write 3 or 4 content. Maybe I am just not good at spinning because in english I never tried but in french it can be tricky...

Yes but with spinning content it takes as long to spin 5 copies as it does 500. If you don't need lots of them, then you'd be better writing them all by hand.

 

[Chunkford]

for the time involved spinning an article you can outsource article creation for peanuts if you know where to look.

 

[akirk]

The worrying thing about spinning content - is that it is rather like a sci-fi movie - which is the original - which the fakes is this whole thread just spun content from a parallel forum somewhere else - aaaaggghhh

on a more serious note - two valid but different views:

- spinning content can work - it can build links and send people to a site - it works for the purposes of the website owner - however it starts to mean (as much of this does) that value is ascribed to someone's ability to SEO as much as to their actual content... not ideal

- the ideal for the internet is no duplication / a massive wiki of unique content, all with value - but of course that will never happen - I am sure that we have all done searches where each site we come across in comparing seems to be saying the same thing - and a bright articulate person reading their own language will see a summation of the content ideas / values / points and see those duplicated across spun articles, what-ever the words may say - leading to a disatisfaction with the sites found - at that point the browsing person moves on

- but in reality it works for the sites, and this is a forum on UK business (making money) not on the philosophy of the internet...

Alasdair

 

[LisaV]

Just to add my twopenneth worth. I write content for such sites as the OPs. My content is 100% unique, well researched and contains any keywords or phrases the site owner wants me to add.

Those who seek out my services do so because they want to add interesting and relevant content to their site. For instance I may write a general article on parenting that isn't promoting anything at all, but because it's a good article full of interesting tips and advice, it will get clicks and other sites will link to it, so it does the job of bringing more views to the site and that in turn makes the site stronger.

I have seen spun content and it really really annoys me. The spelling is often atrocious, the grammar is primary level and some of the sentences simply don't make sense. As an ex-teacher I would love to write all over some of them with a red pen and send it back! These articles do the job of pushing the site up to the top of Google for a while, which makes the site owner think that he's stumbled upon a brilliant and completely free way of promoting his site. However Google are far from stupid and once the site comes to their notice, which it will in time, they will not only take it from its top spot in the Google rankings but they will penalise it for a period of their choosing. So that no matter what you do to your site, it will stay at the bottom of the search results for quite a while afterwards.

There is no quick fix to getting to the top of the search engines. It all takes time. You just have to provide unique, interesting and well written content that is relevant and that people actually want to read. Keep doing that and your site will grow organically and will actually be the stronger for it.

Come back in 6 weeks time and tell us then that your quick fix solution is still working.