Some Secrets of Fans

[Swisaw]

Not Free!!!

The movement happens because the imbalance has been created by the fan, lowering the pressure between the blades. That's what causes the motion! You've accepted that! The fan's motor has created a low pressure area, causing the movement of air.

Simply adding the word "free" to a sentence doesn't change the laws of physics.

The movement of weighing scale to get equilibrium invalidates your claim. The movement of weighing scale to get equilibrium proves higher pressure doesn't need to get input from the lower pressure. It is the other way round.

 

[MikeJ]

How's the working model* coming along?


* it won't work.

 

[Posilan]

I think he may have come up against a snag* which has delayed the YouTube debut somewhat...



*physics.

Steve

 

[Swisaw]

I think he may have come up against a snag* which has delayed the YouTube debut somewhat...



*physics.

Steve

No certainly not. I will soon finish the prototype to prove it. I am now shopping for extra bits and pieces. I am a building a prototype different from the one I proposed before. Because it is easier and cheaper to build and has other advantages to prove the concept and easily can be put in practice.

 

[MikeJ]

So you're now trying to prove something else?

How about letting on what you're planning, so we can at least see if it's representative of what you've previously claimed?

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

I can't wait!

 

[Swisaw]

So you're now trying to prove something else?

How about letting on what you're planning, so we can at least see if it's representative of what you've previously claimed?

It is the same concept but in a simpler application, which could have patentable properties. I will soon make an application to patent office with the priority date of the previous application. After that I disclose it. But hopefully in two weeks time I start to build a proptotype.

 

[MikeJ]

You know, even though we know nothing about it, I think I'm pretty safe in saying this.

It won't work.

 

[Swisaw]

You know, even though we know nothing about it, I think I'm pretty safe in saying this.

It won't work.

The proof of pudding is in eating. It should work if built by a qualified expert. But if I couldn't make it working I will give it up or mortgage the house and employ a qualified expert.

 

[MikeJ]

Please don't do that.

Your theory is rubbish, and while it's a bit of a laugh to poke fun at you, I do admire your spirit and I'd not want to see you out on the street simply because you can't accept your understanding of physics is wrong.

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

I have just created a vehicle using 5 operating wheels, cogs and a chain connected to something that they call a Diesel Engine? - I shall call it...


An Automobile!

To those that are unable to pronounce the word we shall call it...

A Car!



I can product different colours too... I shall call it a paint job!

Sorry Couldn't resist...

Swisaw, despite Mike's attempts at politely telling you that you're wrong, you've shown great potential in creating this new version of a fan but it has too many flaws... I commend you on your diligence and enthusiasm but seriously, don't go mortgaging your house... You've worked hard all your life and this could ruin you.

With all due respect the only thing that I can honestly see working in this new version is the on/off switch.

 

[Swisaw]

No, I am not wrong. Let me to give you two examples.


If you build a dam for irrigation purposes, you can make the water leaving the dam to run a water turbine to run an electric generator, which doesn't reduce the amount of water goes to the field. So you got free electricity in addition to irrigating your land.


You have a land on a very high ground near a source of water on the lower ground. You need to bring water from this water source to your land. The only choice you have is to dig a vertical well near your land as deep as to bellow the level of water. After that you have to dig a horizontal tunnel to reach the water. This bring water to the bottom of your well. After that you have to use a machine to run a water pump to pump water to your land. Now you can exploit the flow of water across the tunnel to do a job without input cost. For example you can put a water turbine to run a machine on the land or run an electric generator. The input of this water turbine is the flow of water to the bottom of the well and doesn't cost anything. It is gravity driven. It doesn't add any load to the water pump machine. It is the same thing with fans. The flow of air to the fan is gravity driven and doesn't cost anything.

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Swisaw,

I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm saying don't do anything daft with your house.

You may well be right for all I know, I have no idea I'm just showing concern for your well being that is all.

 

[Davek0974]

I'm sorry but your dam theory just does not pay out, it is a well known example of a machine that can never work because of the laws of physics.

You never, ever get something for nothing. You cannot use the weight of falling water from a dam to run a pump to pump that water back up to the top.

It's called perpetual motion and can never exist, it's the dream of dreamers and hoaxers i'm afraid.

The theory is sound but in all cases there is friction, magnetic loss, electrical loss, efficiency and others all working against this theory.

You **could** use the water to power a pump to replace **some** of the used water but that energy can most times be used better elsewhere.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

The proof of pudding is in eating. It should work if built by a qualified expert. But if I couldn't make it working I will give it up or mortgage the house and employ a qualified expert.

Here come the excuses! What you've shown us is a very simple design, so if you somehow can't make your simple prototype work, then the first excuse is "it requires an expert engineer to build it".

You will then waste time and money hiring an engineer or company to make it. That won't work either, and then I have no doubt that another excuse will shortly follow.

Please don't remortgage your house or put yourself into financial trouble over this idea of yours.

 

[Swisaw]

Many thanks for all those, especially MikeJ, contributed to this thread. They taught me a lot and helped me to discover a lot more about the concept. Hopefully soon I will report back about the tests on the prototype, if it proves the concept or not.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

They taught me a lot and helped me to discover a lot more about the concept.

But seemingly not enough to discover that the concept isn't going to work.

 

[MikeJ]

You have a land on a very high ground near a source of water on the lower ground. You need to bring water from this water source to your land. The only choice you have is to dig a vertical well near your land as deep as to bellow the level of water. After that you have to dig a horizontal tunnel to reach the water. This bring water to the bottom of your well. After that you have to use a machine to run a water pump to pump water to your land. Now you can exploit the flow of water across the tunnel to do a job without input cost. For example you can put a water turbine to run a machine on the land or run an electric generator. The input of this water turbine is the flow of water to the bottom of the well and doesn't cost anything. It is gravity driven. It doesn't add any load to the water pump machine.

Yes it does, I'm afraid. Water only flows downhill by gravity. The level at the "surface" will be higher than the level at the bottom of your well. If you put a turbine in that pipe, it will cause a restriction. Therefore the level at the bottom of the well will be even lower.

To raise the water from the bottom of the well to your "ground", you will have to put in more energy to overcome this loss.

 

[CKG]

So you got free electricity in addition to irrigating your land.

I think the op maybe confusing economics with physics?

10 out of 10 for blind faith though.

 

[Davek0974]

No news for a couple of months,

My guess is that the idea worked and has been snapped up by major industry and is now being applied to all sorts of things...

 

[vvaannmmaann]

Oi Davek did you have to?

 

[Swisaw]

No news for a couple of months,

My guess is that the idea worked and has been snapped up by major industry and is now being applied to all sorts of things...

I wish you were right. Unfortunately other necessities have taken all my spare times. But I will soon be free and will use all my spare times to build the prototype and test it. I have bought all major components and my mind on it 24 hours. Whatever happens I will report it here.

Regards

 

[Davek0974]

Oi Davek did you have to?

chuckle

 

[Davek0974]

I wish you were right. Unfortunately other necessities have taken all my spare times. But I will soon be free and will use all my spare times to build the prototype and test it. I have bought all major components and my mind on it 24 hours. Whatever happens I will report it here.

Regards

Good stuff, we'll be waiting

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

I wish you were right. Unfortunately other necessities have taken all my spare times. But I will soon be free and will use all my spare times to build the prototype and test it. I have bought all major components and my mind on it 24 hours. Whatever happens I will report it here.

Regards

Using my keen psychic abilities, I will actually look into the future and predict what your post will say.

"It didn't work."

Spooky.

 

[MASSEY]

No news for a couple of months,

My guess is that the idea worked and has been snapped up by major industry and is now being applied to all sorts of things...

 

[Davek0974]

I wish you were right. Unfortunately other necessities have taken all my spare times. But I will soon be free and will use all my spare times to build the prototype and test it. I have bought all major components and my mind on it 24 hours. Whatever happens I will report it here.

Regards

Any news yet, I hear possible investors are getting a bit "antsy" waiting for an announcement

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Ahh, this old chestnut.

 

[vvaannmmaann]

Please refer to my post 181.

 

[Swisaw]

Any news yet, I hear possible investors are getting a bit "antsy" waiting for an announcement

I admit I feel I have become a bit lazy about it but because of other priorities I have not been able to do the tests although I have bought all the equipment needed and I am always thinking about it.

For my horror I have discovered it doesn't work the way it is presented here. There is a simple fault. But with a little modification the fault goes away. How pity MikeJ didn't have a clue about that. He just kept saying: 'it doesn't work' without saying why.

 

[vvaannmmaann]

Maybe he read about your gravity monorail?

 

[Davek0974]

For my horror I have discovered it doesn't work the way it is presented here. There is a simple fault.

Ah, that would be the laws of physics getting in the way

 

[MikeJ]

For my horror I have discovered it doesn't work the way it is presented here. There is a simple fault. But with a little modification the fault goes away. How pity MikeJ didn't have a clue about that. He just kept saying: 'it doesn't work' without saying why.

That's grossly offensive. I spent a lot of time trying to explain the physics to you, but you couldn't, or wouldn't, understand.

I've no idea what the "simple fault" you've found is, but I can guarantee that a little modification won't make it go away.

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Isn't the propulsion of a vehicle by a fan something that's already been designed, tested and thrown out of the water?

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

For my horror I have discovered it doesn't work the way it is presented here. There is a simple fault. But with a little modification the fault goes away. How pity MikeJ didn't have a clue about that. He just kept saying: 'it doesn't work' without saying why.

The laws of physics are another quite fundamental flaw in your plan. How will you circumvent those?

 

[MikeJ]

Many thanks for all those, especially MikeJ, contributed to this thread. They taught me a lot and helped me to discover a lot more about the concept. Hopefully soon I will report back about the tests on the prototype, if it proves the concept or not.

Pondering that previous post, I recalled this.

Are there two of you using that account?

 

[Davek0974]

The laws of physics are another quite fundamental flaw in your plan. How will you circumvent those?

Simple, just use an "Over-Unity" generator, free energy is always good

No updates lately, the investors will be walking.....

 

[SynergyRoofing]

Please come to my next dinner party!!

 

[Davek0974]

Well, I think he's gone and blown it. The foreign investors have all walked now, I couldn't keep them holding any longer

I guess Swisaw could have gotten sucked into his own fan or still maybe battling with those pesky laws of physics