Sitting here reading the forums

We moved house, and the phone went dead, to be honest it never rang much after the summer of 2006.
We need help. Like real big HELP, we got our website going last year, that's flatlining.
May should be really busy for us, but we are idle, today and were yesterday.
We feel that we need marketing advice but don't where to go, who to trust, who to rely upon.
We need someone to understand us, our business, to help re-write our website copy.
We like the feel of www.design-farm.co.uk but they are suggesting a new website, can we change / tweak / alter our existing website www.asking4gardening.co.uk to make it more 'country rustic contemporary' or is the template that our website designer used just not up to it?
Do you think our logo works, is our domain name too long winded? Would www.gardenfusion.co.uk be more marketable?
We do garden maintenance, planting, pruning etc but trying to develop our business away from maintenance towards garden design, coaching, consultation, specialist plant growing (selling at plant fairs).
Any comments, ideas would be welcome

Thanks
Geoffrey King
 
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Who are your customers? where are they? when are they there?

Are people who are passionate about their garden really surfing the net looking for your web site?

Are you visible anywhere else?

Many years ago I was into landscape gardening, my main source of leads was getting out to where the customers were, in the garden (or to be more realistic, at home). We would spend at least one day a week touring areas where we thought our customers would be, middle class and upper class estates, finding gardens that were untidy and dropping off a brochure.

When we found someone in the garden we would engage in a short chat, explain what we do and hand them a brochure (no high pressure sales, just informal chat, and a hint that we could help them improve on their own good work). We got around 30% of our business from this method.

Secondly was the new building works, find out where new estates are going to be. We used to tout with the site manager for the basic landscaping (sometimes successfully) and asked them to leave our brochure in every house (with a bottle of Whiskey for the sales office in retrun for giving our brochure to customers with their information packs). 50% of our business came from new homes.

Finally, garden centres, country houses, national trust properties, etc, places where people who like gardensgo to for a day out. Sometimes hiring a space to put a display stand, getting people to hand out brochures, balloons and promotional gifts to attract people with kids.

I have used the internet for 12 to 15 years (yes, I'm a newbie) and have bought a wide varity of goods and services online, but never ever bought anything for the garden online. I might be the odd one out, but I suspect not...
 
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Two main points:

1. Is your website your primary marketing channel? I'd suggest that for this service, it shouldn't be. You need to market yourself using other channels.

2. There is only one thing wrong with your website - it gets ZERO traffic. You can tweak it all you like, but that won't change the fact that it gets no traffic. If you want it to start playing a role in your business, you need to promote it and generate reasonable levels of traffic.
 
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We would spend at least one day a week touring areas where we thought our customers would be, middle class and upper class estates, finding gardens that were untidy and dropping off a brochure.

When we found someone in the garden we would engage in a short chat, explain what we do and hand them a brochure (no high pressure sales, just informal chat, and a hint that we could help them improve on their own good work). We got around 30% of our business from this method.


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If I was up against it, thats what I'd do without a doubt. It would be possible to come away with an order by the end of the first day so a very immediate process unlike other forms of advertising.

Re. the comments on your website, the one thing I'd be wary of is someone saying you need a new site when they're saying that just to get some business from you....

Also, don't think its really allowed to get a site review without being a full member but three things hit me whilst taking a quick look 1) the business name, I don't think works at all 2) the home page is really really wordy so much so that theres no clear message 3) your garden images look great:)
 
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Who are your customers? where are they? when are they there?



Many years ago I was into landscape gardening, my main source of leads was getting out to where the customers were, in the garden (or to be more realistic, at home). We would spend at least one day a week touring areas where we thought our customers would be, middle class and upper class estates, finding gardens that were untidy and dropping off a brochure.

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Absolutely the way forward. , no more hiding behind the computer. Get out there, done properly you will have business within a week,

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I would concentrate on getting more local info out and about, in the area that you cover.

A website is great, but do people really look at websites when wanting your line of business!

If I was wanting someone, I would ask locals and friends if they could suggest/recommend someone, I would also scan the local papers ads, where you could then have a link to your site.

Offer some incentatives to kick start the business off again.

You need to decide what type of gardening service you are offering, is it aimed at Mrs and Mrs average, or are you going for the more upmarket, as the names you are suggesting are very diverse/different in their appeal!

I know 3 people who have their own small garden business, and all 3 are working solid at the moment, so I fear you are not reaching your target market.

Think less about fancy names and websites, and get out and about and touch base with potential customers.

Good Luck

Poppy xx
 
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I assume you work local rather than national.
I found nothing on your home page to tell me exactly where you are and the area you cover.
How is anyone supposed to know where you cover? A very important factor if work is local like mine.
So not knowing where you are covering means no one knows how you do in long tail search terms like gardening London, or Garden maintenence Windsor.
 
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This isn't really a marketing jobby, you need some great local PR and you can do it yourself.

You know that your company is really good at what you do otherwise you wouldn't be wondering what the problem is. However, you can't know exactly what it is that your company excels at, as you don't tell us!! What is your point of difference? Is it your price, are you committed to local issues? Planting, pruning etc is not enough, you need to be actively seen making a difference in the area as your company is a service not a product.

You need to balance the scales of what you know your company is capable of and showing it to potential customers. Rather than waiting for the phone to ring, do some local research and get known in pickering before you 'branch out' (sorry) to other local areas. Find a street and do up some gardens of people that can't do it themselves, become involved in a local charity and offer to design their garden, do a free coaching session at a local college or business. You can alert the local papers to the good work you're doing but word of mouth is amazing and travels far in elevating your company reputation.
 
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Have you tried marketing to existing/previous clients to get more work done? How about a mailshot to them followed up by individual phone calls is pretty powerful especially if they were pleased with previous work.

I'd be tempted to avoid flashy redesigns, clear and concise is they key.

I'd also be tempted to make the following changes:

  • Frontpage brief list of services
  • 'package' type introductory offers or moneyback offers if you're feeling brave ie "we'll replant a bed for £50 - if you don't like it, pay nothing", or a 'average sized garden sprig clean for only £65 inc weeding, edging and mowing and gain an extra 10% of further services"
  • Clear call to action on the frontpage, in fact every page to call for a free quotation or email for a quotation (how about option to email in with a picture of the garden?)

How about asking existing customer base for referrals? Offer an 'introduce a friend' bonus?

Are there any fusion marketing opportunities? (posh way of saying share the advert with a complimentary business nearby) - ie BBQ vendors or outdoor furniture sellers? Promote each other to existing clients and go halvies on a spread of local advertising?
Get flyers printed up and everytime you go to a job or quotation flyer the local neighbourhood - jealousy and 'keeping up with the joneses' will get you everywhere.

Good luck!
 
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Ok I will share my thought process (basically a brain dump) of what I saw when I went to your site:

1) Hmm it's a gardening site- looks quite nice, well laid out, nicely put together etc.
2) Is this an advice phone line? a gardening centre? a landscape gardner? I don't know. Is it a free forum or something? do I have to pay?
3) Hmm this looks like it's a gardening service <clicks around> I can't see what area they cover.... They must be local as opposed to nationwide, looking at the weather bug. Also, I cannot find out what area they cover, no phone number, no contact call to action at all.


In conclusion, the site is confusing and does not really tell anyone what you actually do.

Also as others said I don't think this sort of thing works best online really.
 
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We have been business for 5 years, we have existing client base, which varies from OAP Bungalow gardens to Professional managers with country gardens up to 2 acres.

Over the years our customers have beeen gained from; word of mouth, flyers, cards in shop windows, yellow pages, yell.com, thomsons, van signage, business cards in Tesco's, internet directories and our embroidered uniform.
We have spent a small fortune on 118trades, YP, Yell, Mag ad's, A5 booklets. The results have always been patchy at best, with no consistency in any method.

We thought if we put more details about ourself on a website it would give potential customers a greater understanding of who we were and what we can offer them.
We always knew we needed help getting our message across and your comments prove that to me. We envisaged that our website designer would have greater knowledge than us about 'copy' or be able to point us towards someone, but in reality the opposite is the case, with a significant communication barrier between us.

Knowing what works in gaining customers, is still a mystery to us.
 
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Ok I will share my thought process (basically a brain dump) of what I saw when I went to your site:

1) Hmm it's a gardening site- looks quite nice, well laid out, nicely put together etc.
2) Is this an advice phone line? a gardening centre? a landscape gardner? I don't know. Is it a free forum or something? do I have to pay?
3) Hmm this looks like it's a gardening service <clicks around> I can't see what area they cover.... They must be local as opposed to nationwide, looking at the weather bug. Also, I cannot find out what area they cover, no phone number, no contact call to action at all.


In conclusion, the site is confusing and does not really tell anyone what you actually do.

Also as others said I don't think this sort of thing works best online really.

We asked our designer to put contact details on every page, but hey he didn't want to.
 
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If I was up against it, thats what I'd do without a doubt. It would be possible to come away with an order by the end of the first day so a very immediate process unlike other forms of advertising.

Re. the comments on your website, the one thing I'd be wary of is someone saying you need a new site when they're saying that just to get some business from you....

Also, don't think its really allowed to get a site review without being a full member but three things hit me whilst taking a quick look 1) the business name, I don't think works at all 2) the home page is really really wordy so much so that theres no clear message 3) your garden images look great:)

Thanks, yes I understand about being a full member
 
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Having lots of content is good for people to read when they're bored, or when they need convincing, or when they're looking for reasons not to try a new prodct or service.

But if people are landing on the front page having googled gardening services yorkshire then they're not going to want to wade through a load of waffle.

And make it easy for people to get in touch. And list some sample prices so people can see the ballpark.

That's the problem with a lot of sites, they refuse to list any prices at all. As a new consumer unfamiliar with an industry I don't know if a small garden tidy up and planting is going to cost in the 50-130 range or the 400-600 range. That's the difference between me picking up the phone to ask for a specific quote and not.

Don't be afraid to commit to a price, that can be just for the basic services with extras on top, as long as you say "from 54.00 for an average terraced garden" or so on - then you can explain the options
 
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It is often thought that web design people can write copy - but that's not necessarily what they're good at!!! For copy try to find a copy writer.

When I used to design websites (a short lived career for many reasons) - my clients would often ask me to write copy too (without giving me information!). I would say I could - but only if they paid for that service too.

Sounds to me like all you really need on the web is an 'information' page - giving contact details and a summary of what you do - maybe some client comments. Then I would learn as much as you can about Search Engine Optimisation (the SEO mentioned earlier) - to ensure that you are capturing anyone who is surfing the web looking for your type of services.

However, it sounds like for your sort of service - old fashioned marketing ploys are the best!

Good luck
 
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We asked our designer to put contact details on every page, but hey he didn't want to.


Please....who is the customer here - that is a pretty poor excuse, do you run the rest of the business this way?

You posted to the board 'no customers' - perhaps here is your answer - not such a mystery really!

You have been given some really good advice, only you can implement it.
Start by getting the website issue put right.

Poppy xx
 
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there's loads of great advice & guidance been given here but it just sounds like the OP has given up already...:(

perhaps that's not how you feel, but it's definitely what's being 'said' in your responses. it's hard when your business is struggling (ours is at the moment, has been for nearly 2 years now), but you have got to look forward & be as positive as possible. hanging your head & repeating what isn't working at the moment will not get you anywhere, you can have the odd moment thinking about this but you can't let it take over.

hope you can take some of the advice on-board :)
 
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there's loads of great advice & guidance been given here but it just sounds like the OP has given up already...:(

perhaps that's not how you feel, but it's definitely what's being 'said' in your responses. it's hard when your business is struggling (ours is at the moment, has been for nearly 2 years now), but you have got to look forward & be as positive as possible. hanging your head & repeating what isn't working at the moment will not get you anywhere, you can have the odd moment thinking about this but you can't let it take over.

hope you can take some of the advice on-board :)

It is very hard when things are going against you - if not careful it can spill over into other areas of your life.

As friends keep saying to me (and I keep telling myself) you have to look for the positives, however small.

That you have a business, is surely worth fighting for - even if it means reevaluating what you already have and making changes to stay in the game - it is lot harder to get back what you have lost!

You do have a negative attitude at the moment, which is perhaps unstandable if things are not going well - that will also come across to any potential/exsisting customers, you need to keep that under wraps.

Can I suggest (a friend did this in their line of work) but the principle is the same.

He did a repaint for a homeless shelter and met people basically on the road to nowhere, it changed his outlook considerably.

Why not give some time to something like this, only need be small and not expensive, childrens home old peoples home, local park - you could also end up getting some really good PR from it.

I am not intending to preach, but at times when I feel in danger of loosing the plot, I turn to things that make me realise it is not all bad.

I know that people think if you own/run your own business then life is so sweet and easy - the reality is often the reverse.

Stick at it!

Good Luck

Poppy xx
 
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wise words from Poppy, something happened to me yesterday & it really hit me just how much all the stress with the business is affecting me, & has been for quite a while if i'm being honest :(

i've set myself some personal goals now & i'm going to try my hardest to focus on what i do have within my control & not all the other stuff that's out of our hands! easier said than done, but got to try...
 
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Have you put yourself on Google maps?

I tried looking for you as a customer in Pickering and didnt see you or any other gardener TBH. If you do it - you will be the only one!! And its free.

Have you tried RatedPeople? Weve just signed up and have had quite a good response..

Have you got a USP? Our 'Family run business' works wonders for us. Plenty of customers tell us thats why they chose us from our competitors.

Does On Your Doorstep deliver to your area?

Have you tried church magazines?

Recommend a friend? Offer your paying customer a bonus if they pass your details on and it leads to a paying customer.

Good Luck! Dont get too disheartened.. If you have a sound business and do a good job and have belief in yourself then keep plugging away! ;)
 
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there's loads of great advice & guidance been given here but it just sounds like the OP has given up already...:(

perhaps that's not how you feel, but it's definitely what's being 'said' in your responses. it's hard when your business is struggling (ours is at the moment, has been for nearly 2 years now), but you have got to look forward & be as positive as possible. hanging your head & repeating what isn't working at the moment will not get you anywhere, you can have the odd moment thinking about this but you can't let it take over.

hope you can take some of the advice on-board :)

Thanks Lexxy, fortunately for me, there are two of us, and we do pick ourselves up.

Our reality is that we just need a few more customers and we would be on the up.

On the day I wrote the post, I became really unwell, I couldn't even stand up let alone do anything.

My name is Geoffrey King

hence 'Ask-King 4 Gardening'

we have our existing logo plastered across the van in as big as it could be size, we may be operating a lawnmower and weeding borders and people do come up to us in the street and ask, if we do gardening.

Our call to action is our name, some people get it and others don't.

We feel that our name is self explanatory, but we could dumb it down

As per newspaper:

Car Crash!
Car crash today!
Big car crash today!
People died in the big car crash today.
A pile-up of several cars on the A64, etc...

Whenever I mention to my partner, Fiona about changing our name, she always says no, she's very stubborn.

She says if people don't understand what we do, do we really want to be working for them.

Your thoughts have helped.

Thanks Geoffrey
 
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Have you put yourself on Google maps?

I tried looking for you as a customer in Pickering and didnt see you or any other gardener TBH. If you do it - you will be the only one!! And its free.

Have you tried RatedPeople? Weve just signed up and have had quite a good response..

Have you got a USP? Our 'Family run business' works wonders for us. Plenty of customers tell us thats why they chose us from our competitors.

Does On Your Doorstep deliver to your area?

Have you tried church magazines?

Recommend a friend? Offer your paying customer a bonus if they pass your details on and it leads to a paying customer.

Good Luck! Dont get too disheartened.. If you have a sound business and do a good job and have belief in yourself then keep plugging away! ;)

Funny enough yes I have put us on Google maps, I changed it as we were listed for York

it comes up under maps.google.com/?cid=16981295728940494798

I even added some extra details, places we cover and area coverage map but it doesn't seem to pick up on searches, Doh!
 
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Have you put yourself on Google maps?

I tried looking for you as a customer in Pickering and didnt see you or any other gardener TBH. If you do it - you will be the only one!! And its free.

Have you tried RatedPeople? Weve just signed up and have had quite a good response..

Have you got a USP? Our 'Family run business' works wonders for us. Plenty of customers tell us thats why they chose us from our competitors.

Does On Your Doorstep deliver to your area?

Have you tried church magazines?

Recommend a friend? Offer your paying customer a bonus if they pass your details on and it leads to a paying customer.

Good Luck! Dont get too disheartened.. If you have a sound business and do a good job and have belief in yourself then keep plugging away! ;)

OYD does not deliver in this area, they have a smaller Roundabout mag that covers Stamford bridge & one for Helmsley.
When we were in York we tried OYD in Wetherby & Tadcaster, but we made the mistake of using our business card as the ad, which had an 0845 number on it.
We are currently running an ad in the Ryedale Handymag, this is the 3rd month, we have had 1 call, who was a timewaster. This is costing £53 per month.
We are considering the 'Yorkshire Advertiser', which is distributed via the advertisers, like Restaurants, Tourist Office, etc.
We are trying to bring our efforts together into a cohesive cost -effective way.
 
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Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
On the Landscape Juice forum www.landscapejuicenetwork.com/ of which I am also a member of, everyone advocates, not to put prices on websites.

We charge per hour and most fellow gardeners also tell us this is wrong.

We have tried to incentivise our existing customers to give us referrals.
In the past we have offered a FOC planted hanging basket as most seem to really enjoy our planting.
And x% discount off their regular work c/w a discount for the new customer.
Neither scheme illicted a response. I even issued discount vouchers, etc
It seems in Yorkshire people don't like to speak to their neighbours. The vast majority of our customers are not native-Yorkshire folk.

We would ask our friends to help us, but we don't know anybody, but we are trying.
We moved to Yorkshire 6 years ago, our friends and family are scattered across the UK.

We appreciate about local organisations, which is why we are trying to get involved in the local Village hall fund raising.

Thanks

Geoffrey
 
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It is very hard when things are going against you - if not careful it can spill over into other areas of your life.

As friends keep saying to me (and I keep telling myself) you have to look for the positives, however small.

That you have a business, is surely worth fighting for - even if it means reevaluating what you already have and making changes to stay in the game - it is lot harder to get back what you have lost!

You do have a negative attitude at the moment, which is perhaps unstandable if things are not going well - that will also come across to any potential/exsisting customers, you need to keep that under wraps.

Can I suggest (a friend did this in their line of work) but the principle is the same.

He did a repaint for a homeless shelter and met people basically on the road to nowhere, it changed his outlook considerably.

Why not give some time to something like this, only need be small and not expensive, childrens home old peoples home, local park - you could also end up getting some really good PR from it.

I am not intending to preach, but at times when I feel in danger of loosing the plot, I turn to things that make me realise it is not all bad.

I know that people think if you own/run your own business then life is so sweet and easy - the reality is often the reverse.

Stick at it!

Good Luck

Poppy xx

Thanks for your responses Poppy.

In my life, my partner Fiona and I work together, we are together 24/7 more or less. I do have a tendency to wake up early, say 5.30am, figit, awakes OH, she can't sleep, so I start talking about gardens / website / business, she does get rather hacked-off.

But we have been doing the 24/7 bit for 6 1/2 years now. We have had some real tough times, but despite my tone we are much happier since we moved back to the countryside. We just need to re-establish our business in this rural community. In Ryedale district which is pretty large geographically, i think the pop. is about 65,000, as opposed to York with 225,00 we are already getting more positivity from people we meet.

And we have gained 2 new customers since we moved, it's just that there are in York, which is a 60 mile round trip. I'd really like to do more local customers say 20 mile trips.LOL

Thanks again.

Geoffrey
 
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have you got yourself on www.freeindex.co.uk ? it's ran by someone on here. i was just having a look on the daily business leads & noticed there seemed to be quite a few asking for gardening services.

good luck :)

Yes we are listed on the Freeindex, have been for a while.
I see you have managed to almost quote our name
asking for gardening.
Thanks for your support.

Geoffrey
 
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Gut reaction - please don't take this personally but the business name is terrible. Having 4 instead of for, is, imo, really naff and dated, as is the pun on Ask-King. The latter is completely baffling; it wasn't until I read your explanation on this site that I had a clue why it was hypenated and capitalised in that way.

And the whole 'King' reference is off-putting. I don't want to ask a 'King'. Let's say I'm a bit proud about getting in a gardener anyway (many peope are - don't like to admit they need one - and i imagine that's double the case in Yorkshire); well I won't want the inference that they may be high and mighty. I want someone like my mother's gardner - massively nice & flexible, accommodating, easily gets on with people... I've seen her gradually win over proud neighbours by being unthreatening (wouldn't say she's overflowing with customers- you need to have the balls to go and sell yourself too, as others have very wisely recommended, and she lacks that confidence).

Tell Fiona from me - bear in mind that the 'King' reference may be obvious to friends and neighbours - but it's certainly NOT to strangers - and you can't afford to be snotty about strangers 'not getting it' if your hoping those strangers will become your much needed customers!

Askingforgardening.com is availabe as a domain by the way - £7.45 p/a through GoDaddy.com. Nearlyfreespeech.net might bring down some of your website costs too.

So, someone is asking for gardening- get in their shoes - *what* are they asking? What's on their mind? What's the need/demand/problem that's driven them to your site in the first place? Specifically?

You need to write copy for your site which addresses the person browsing.
This is ABC marketing / copywriting - the site needs to be all about THEM not all about YOU (classic mistake that everyone makes - don't take it personally :)). So, if you look at your copy, at the moment it's we.. we... we...

Great copy addresses the customers's NEED and offers SOLUTIONS.

What 'problems' are your desired customers having that you can answer?

Are their gardens overrun? Are they short of time? Do they long for an easy to maintain garden? Have they just moved in somewhere? Do they want a colourful overhaul for a modest price? Do they want someone to do the back-breaking work (by the way, i didnt even understand from your site if you offer re-design only or regular garden maintenance?)

Do your own brainstorming - then frame that in a question addressing the website visitor:

- Would you love to have xxxxx?
- Are you looking for a xxxxxxxxx?
- Do you find yourself xxxxxxxx?

Or, you could say,
We hear the same thing from many of our customers. Perhaps you fall into one of these groups:

* Too little time, too much gardening - much as I love it!

* Gardening is killing my back!

* I've just moved and I need a great re-design, for a reasonable price.

* I want my garden to look colourful and be easy to maintain - without spending a fortune. Help!

* I want to be stay involved in my garden and work alongside any designer / gardner - it's my baby!

Then you offer your 'solutions': eg you say your piece about what you offer to these scenarios. Either directly underneath each one, or at the end of all of them.
By the way I have far too many exclamation marks in that copy - another naff thing to watch out for :)

So - the home page is all about THEM and their needs and how you can meet them.
THEN you build a relationship through your 'about us' info, which might be at the bottom of that home page or on a separate page; and through good testimonials, so you feel trustworthy and likeable.

My gut says Yes give ball park prices, because as someone already said, it really annoys me when someone gives no indication of price - i don't want to make contact to find that out. as i don't want to be 'sold to'.

BUT I hear that colleagues advise against this. How about a middle path of ball park figures, 'starting from'... and/or photos of gardens you've designed and what that cost?

If you WERE to take on a charity project etc you could do before and after photos and use that, plus what it cost.
Anything that can get you press is great, by the way.

Now here's the really challenging part for some people -

your EMOTIONAL STATE AFFECTS YOUR BUSINESS. Inmore ways than you can imagine or 'make sense of' rationally. (My customers aren't around to hear me moaning and feeling rotten all day, surely it has no impact... well you'd be amazed).

It's not enough to 'think positive' if underneath you're feeling rotten - the point of 'positive thinking' other than breeding positive action which of course is needed, is that it leads to a positive emotional state. And call it magic, but trust me it's true, that as you start FEELING positively on the inside, things change on the outside.

Nobody likes 'positive thinking police'. So, when talking as a couple you could give yourselves a set amount of 'venting' or 'complaining' time if that feels like what you need to get things off your chest; then agree that after x number of minutes you'll start looking at solutions.

The easiest way to shift into a different feeling state, solo (or as a couple) is to just find one thing, one thing, you can feel appreciation for. And let yourself really feel appreciation for it.
This would be a great thing to do at 5.30am by the way, rather than fidgeting and waking Fiona, and then talking business - what a horrible start to the day!!
Let the feeling of appreciation and even gratitude seep into your body and heart. Perhaps it occurs to you that your lying in a warm bed with a roof over your head, something as simple as that.
Then, stretch yourself to find another thing.. and another...
and before you know it you've cajoled yourself out of a negative or 'worry' space into a relaxed and expansive space. And that makes
ALL
the difference to how people will 'feel' you and react to you; and to the ideas that come to you; and to the actions you take.
Remember - as within, so without. That's a key point of power for you.

GOOD LUCK!

And let us know how you get on.
 
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Thanks Bill!
(If anyone has a moment to cast their eye over my recently posted question on this forum- about what a share in a business means in practice, and if I should ask for one in return for my £ investment - I'd be very grateful!)
 
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Matt1959

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one small think to bear in mind and thats giving people an idea of what you charge as has been said. I dont quote prices on my site but what I do emphasis is that if the potential client sends me a couple of images via email, I'll email them back a ball park price in return. As has been mentioned, some people when faced with needing work don't know whether its going to cost £50 or £500 and estimating on photographs 1) gives them an idea without them making a commitment to enquire. 2) shows you know your stuff (give ideas of price via image) 3) enables you to open up a channel of communication (email) that enables the potetial client to get a feel for what you're like. This method has worked time and again for me, you just have to be careful to cover your back with giving rough prices ie between x and y, most likely be around z etc, need to see the job before confirming either way...
 
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