Short term 'throwaway' blackhat SEO on a new domain

[S Isaac]

Okay, so we all know you shouldn't do blackhat SEO at the risk of getting your domain banned/dropped etc. But that's not the point in this thread.

The point is, as a short term thing to generate a few leads could it be worth while to do?

I see people post on here that they don't really follow the guidelines and they seem to make it work.

So the way I see it, a new domain, hosting for a few months, a new voip number will cost very little in the scheme of things. As long as I don't 'brand' it as my company or associate it with it in any way, (different host, contact number etc) could this work?

i.e. use it as a lead generation site until it gets banned/dropped and then just ditch it and move on.

Does anyone know how long these types of sites would take to get ranked and how long (or not) they tend to stay ranked well?

 

[boring-friday]

parasite pages would work well for you if you want to have a go.

Called a parasite because you're leeching off of the domains authority, sites like amazon,facebook, twitter.
Forums are my favourite, find a big niche related website that has a fairly inactive forum, put a informative post up and once its ranked in google edit the post to include whatever details you want (so that the mods don't delete it as soon as you put it up).
Low-medium and most local pages should rank with pure spam blasts, medium-hard comp you'd need cheap pbn posts or sape.
Can take anything from 1-4 weeks, sometimes they just don't move so best to set up 4-5 and you should get 1 or 2 ranked, they normally get taken down when a competitor reports them to the forum owner rather than google doing anything

 

[Watson91]

Google is likely working on figuring out how to block black-hat operators regardless of domain or IP address. I would guess the 80/20 principle applies - 80% of black hat websites probably come from a small group of operators. Figure out how to stop the black-hatters altogether rather than play whack-a-mole with different domains.

For something as crucial and ubiquitous as Google, it's really not worth the risk.

 

[ZeroDouble]

Okay, so we all know you shouldn't do blackhat SEO at the risk of getting your domain banned/dropped etc. But that's not the point in this thread.

The point is, as a short term thing to generate a few leads could it be worth while to do?

Sure, why not?

I see people post on here that they don't really follow the guidelines and they seem to make it work.

Yep

So the way I see it, a new domain, hosting for a few months, a new voip number will cost very little in the scheme of things. As long as I don't 'brand' it as my company or associate it with it in any way, (different host, contact number etc) could this work?

Yes - register a few emds (with privacy), don't brand them as part of your company, optimise them onpage properly, and try different off page stuff out on them. If you're interested in learning SEO then it's a good way to start out.

i.e. use it as a lead generation site until it gets banned/dropped and then just ditch it and move on.

That's what I'd do, but I'd build several not just 1.

Does anyone know how long these types of sites would take to get ranked and how long (or not) they tend to stay ranked well?

Depends on the niche and competition, but it normally takes around 4 weeks to see page one and then another 4 to work your way up to the top.

See my comments in the quote above.

 

[ZeroDouble]

Google is likely working on figuring out how to block black-hat operators regardless of domain or IP address. I would guess the 80/20 principle applies - 80% of black hat websites probably come from a small group of operators. Figure out how to stop the black-hatters altogether rather than play whack-a-mole with different domains.

For something as crucial and ubiquitous as Google, it's really not worth the risk.

Please stop scare mongering, there's absolutely no risk with this approach. Google isn't some all seeing oracle.

 

[boring-friday]

Google is likely working on figuring out how to block black-hat operators regardless of domain or IP address. I would guess the 80/20 principle applies - 80% of black hat websites probably come from a small group of operators. Figure out how to stop the black-hatters altogether rather than play whack-a-mole with different domains.

For something as crucial and ubiquitous as Google, it's really not worth the risk.

No they'll just continue posting their nonsense and work on the 80/20 rule that 80% of people blindly believe everything they say without trying any different.
Even if they had a way to detect any 'blackhatter' (which I really can't see how would be possible, they don't even use data from chrome/gmail to do it as its not worth their time/money) it would break a million & 1 laws

 

[StevePoster]

i.e. use it as a lead generation site until it gets banned/dropped and then just ditch it and move on.
Does anyone know how long these types of sites would take to get ranked and how long (or not) they tend to stay ranked well?

Its still taking a risk to get involved in this kind of method.
You will not know until you establish a website in time.

 

[S Isaac]

See my comments in the quote above.

Thanks, have you ever done this yourself?

I could easily register a few emd sites and hopefully generate some leads, even if just for a while.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

If you know what you are doing then churn and burn is and ALWAYS HAS BEEN the method of choice for the real PPC (Pills, Porn Casinos).

You have to production line it so there are no dead patches.

 

[S Isaac]

I'm seriously tempted to give this a go. There seems to be very little risk and the cost would be less than £100 on a DIY basis of domain name, free wordpress theme, cheap host & voip number until it tanks.

Then just rinse & repeat!

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Unless you know what you are doing though you will tank it from day 1 and it will never rank. Also consider it an ongoing process with multiple sites rather than a single site in isolation

 

[ZeroDouble]

Thanks, have you ever done this yourself?

I could easily register a few emd sites and hopefully generate some leads, even if just for a while.

Yes, I do it all the time. Only on a small scale though as I've got plenty of other projects to work on, but I probably build maybe 10 emds a month just to keep some extra cash coming in. As OWG says, you need to have a bit of a system going though, and you need to have at least some idea of what you're doing.

Maybe go to a newb friendly forum like blackhatworld or somewhere and test out some of the methods on there to get started, then when you see what appears to work try to refine the process to get the maximum results from the least amount of resources.

 

[S Isaac]

Is there any way to change the colour scheme on blackhatworld?

I can't read white text on a black background - makes my eyes go funny!

 

[Emu]

This is how Ive made my money for a years, for a long time for other people and now for myself, it works very well but often hits a nerve with people who start jumping around shouting you are doing wrong. Id say do what you can to get the traffic from google, when they start to give a **** about your business maybe you should care about theirs but really just do what you can.

The biggest myth out there is that you are going to be "banned by google" google cant ban you nor would it want to, it can ban a site or a number of sites it cannot ban you and you can do as you please and make as many sites as you want. With the recent sale on .xyz domains from namecheap I bought 150k domains for £1,500 - if these domains bring in an average of 1-5 visitors per day (each) Im very happy (and they will bring in 20 times that) and will make the money back in a month.

It works its just a lot of testing and trial and error, you need good systems.

By all means give i a go but dont expect much from it, if will be a learning process and unless you get lucky (and I hope you do) with your 1st domain you will probably realise 20 things you wish you did that that domain and then get another and repeat over and over fine tuning it.

Depending on your current setup you might be better off focusing you efforts on bringing traffic to your main site but dont ever be scared to try new things like this, google is a propaganda monster, they will catch out one private blog network then do a load of PR to convince people that blog networks are dead, then they will do the same for paid links while all th time things are going in circles.

Dont get put off, give it a go