Setting up an arcade

redrob

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I am looking for some advice on setting up an arcade can somebody tell me how to get hold of a gambling licence what permissions will I need of the council and the best company to buy arcade machines from I am planning on opening it in Darwen town centre I know it may not be the best time to open an arcade but Darwen has no entertainment so I'm hoping to use this as a bonus the building I am planning on taking over is in a good location with traffic coming in from Bolton.
 
I've looked into this and it's something I've got my finger in a little. I might make a move very soon, but I'm happy to help you:

Get a license off the gambling commission. I have bookmarks to the specific forms, prices, etc. on my other laptop and I'll send you the links after Friday (very busy until then, just popped on here before bed) if you like. Easy enough to get info off their website though - http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Client/index.asp

If I remember rightly, your local council has to approve it, but this is done through the commission. You'll need an operating license and a personal license. Although I think its changed recently for small businesses - you might not need the personal one. Read the website, I'm just working off memory. A lot of your fees will be waived if you're opening just one arcade and your a new business and what not, which is nice.

In terms of getting machines, you've got a big choice...
  • Rent them - maybe a good option if you don't have a lot of capital... Get a good arrangement though - none of this 50/50 malarky. Pay them a set fee per month for the machine and get access to it, so you can take cash in/out and whatnot. This means you'll get new(ish) machines and won't have to fork out the initial capital. You'll also get new machines as they come in and send back unpopular/older games. Don't get me wrong, renting isn't cheap... But its cheaper than buying a pile of new machines, and you've not got the bother of finding machines to buy and trying to flog your old ones.
  • Buy them off a distributor - usually the same people that provide the rent service. You can be talking a few hundred quid per machine for the newer ones.
  • Buy them off eBay/FruitEmu/etc. Probably the cheapest option, but there are limitations. Firstly - you dont usually get any sort of warrenty/guarentee, so if the machine packs in... You need to find someone to fix it. With rentals/buying off a distributor, you've usually got some sort of cover for a set amount of time, with rentals, they usually take care of repairs as its technically their machine. Secondly - you'll get a lot of second hand machines, which means the games are older and some of the units mightn't be in great knick... If that's a concern for you.
I used to work for John Codona, who owns a lot of the rides you get a fayres up and down the country (if its not him, its the Codona family... Think they're in cahoots with Nobels too). Anyway, he makes a fortune from his site in Aberdeen, but he's had to install other things - such as a Wimpey franchise, bowling alley, minature golf (indoor/outdoor) and of course the fayre rides which are there perminantly to get the families in. I assume you're going for a pure arcade, but people prefer these big units that have crap for the kids to do while you're sitting gambling away your mortgage money.

Location is absolutely everything for these sorts of places. I don't know about Darwen, so I'm no help as to your location but you need to be in areas populated by 18-25 males and retired people. They're the ones who'll come in every day and put there wages through your machines. Kids are another good target market (if unethical) - but you'd need huge volumes as obviously they're going to be putting through a fiver once a week or something.

Get the linked up bingo machines for the oldies. When I was doing research for Codona and for myself - you'd see some old hags put their pension through the machine in 10 minutes, have a cup of tea - then start spending their kids inheritence.

Depends on your location - but personally I'd go down the "adult entertainment centre" unless you're absolutely swamped with kids (who put off the older folk with their lurking and what not) I'd avoid a "family entertainment centre" unless you've got capital to get bowling, golf, rides and whatnot in too. With the AEC you're wanting all your branded pub machines (DOND, Cornation St, Monopoly, etc.) on 30/50p plays initially set at a high return % (to get them as regulars) then play about with the %age to suit your business needs - best policy is usually to set them higher returns on busy days (you're getting 15% of £5000, say) and on quiet days, set them to lower returns (so you're getting 30% of £2500, say). Arcades that get greedy, get quiet - and turnover is really everything with these machines, because your percentage is guarenteed over a few grand worth of plays.

Ideally, get ahold of a machine asap and start tinkering with it. Get used to changing bulbs, sorting the shoots, etc. because if you hire someone in to do all that, you'll be paying them a lot. It's nothing complicated, if you can do an oil change on a car or change your spark plugs, then you'll be able to fix 95% of the problems with your puggys.

Those touchscreen things are big business, I have some figures from a WH manager on how much theres make in a relitavely small branch - you're talking 40% of their total turnover (so nearly as much as football, horse, dog, etc. betting COMBINED). If you can afford them, get them in. If not, when you can afford them - get them in. 50p/£1 a shot, have classic slots on them but its the roulette thats got people hooked big time. I know a bloke who runs a successful kebab place up the road from me, was losing £500 a week into those things... He won a few times, but I reckon he was about £1250+ down a month - and thats what I saw.

There's loads more I could tell ya but its my bedtime, got to get up and check the papers early and got piles to do. PM me on Friday to remind me about this and I'll tell you everything I know ;)
 
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Alison Jones

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Unless the area you live is not affected by the credit crunch, and everyone has kept their jobs and no one has been made redundant, then I would say now is the worst time possible to open an arcade. People who have lost their jobs and maybe before had a gambling problem would have to snap out of it as the amount got from the job centre is not even enough to live on so people would not be able to gamble, Gamblers Anonymous is probably really busy at the moment. Lots of amusement arcades are closing near where I live mostly due to the credit crunch and some a little to the smoking ban - ie someone who likes gambling but can't last out a long time without a cigarette will have to go outside for a cigarette and quite a few of them then decide not to go back in to carry on gambling.

Would say the only place arcades have any luck of surviving the credit crunch is at touristy seaside towns where people spend more than when they are at home.

Alison
 
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Hi

Unless the area you live is not affected by the credit crunch, and everyone has kept their jobs and no one has been made redundant, then I would say now is the worst time possible to open an arcade. People who have lost their jobs and maybe before had a gambling problem would have to snap out of it as the amount got from the job centre is not even enough to live on so people would not be able to gamble, Gamblers Anonymous is probably really busy at the moment. Lots of amusement arcades are closing near where I live mostly due to the credit crunch and some a little to the smoking ban - ie someone who likes gambling but can't last out a long time without a cigarette will have to go outside for a cigarette and quite a few of them then decide not to go back in to carry on gambling.

Would say the only place arcades have any luck of surviving the credit crunch is at touristy seaside towns where people spend more than when they are at home.

Alison

Seasides are brilliant in the summer. But its really seasonal, expect to make losses in the winter months... Aberdeens an exception to this as its kept busy because its about a mile out from the city centre so gets a wee bit of trade in the winter - but other locations often don't have this advantage.

And the credit crunch is a good time for the gambling community... Recession equals an increase in gambling, oddly enough. Just as good times = increase in gambling, as folk have spare cash. The worst possible time is when things are okay, but even then - you're still doing okay.

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/economicindicators/Casualties-of-recession-turn-to.4825771.jp For example.

People want out of it, of course, but for a lot of people it isn't as clear cut as that. Harsh, but profitable for the arcade/bookies.
 
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redrob

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Also, redrob, are you sure it's only £2k a year for the whole arcade? Fees are usually payable dependant on the amount of machines you have, etc.

Yes I am sure that is for a family licence as I said £2k for the licence and then every year £750 I am going to find out what the kids and adult licence will be tomorrow I will also be making sure with the council I have planning permissions all I need to do now is find the right building and find the right supplier.
 
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rob

what sort of arcade,what sort of machines..if you operate gambling machines u will need a licence.other machines require different ones.
please let us know what sort of machines you want to put in the arcade and ill see if i can help
dan

Thank you for that (dan74uk) I will let you know once I know I haven't got to that point yet but I should know by next week got a couple of meetings coming up.
 
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Hi redrob. Interesting thread this, I've been thinking about opening an AGC too (Opposite side of Lancs. to you).

I was thinking of hiring the 4 x £500 jackpot machines you are allowed under the AGC licence so they can be swapped for later/different models to maintain interest (With the added benefit of support for the top end machines) and then maybe buying the lower priced machines (£35 jackpot) as they are more bread and butter and it wouldn't matter so much if one was down for a while waiting to be fixed.

As for licencing have you checked out the Gambling Commission website ? http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Client/index.asp?ContentId=1 it has all the info on it you need (Although it can be a little hard to navigate imo). Also look at BACTA http://www.bacta.org.uk/ who are the trade association for coin-op businesses.

Be interesting to keep this thread going and share ideas if possible.
 
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Ok I have now decided on what I want to do I am going to set it up as a family arcade not too sure yet but I should easily get planning permission I can easily get the (AGC licence from my Council at £2,000 and then every year £750).

This is the size of the building I am thinking of taking over do you think it is big enough to start an arcade or two big? it has already got Betting office planning consent so it should be easy to get planning permission for an arcade.

Ground Floor 1,786.9 sq ft (166 sq m)

First Floor 796.5 sq ft (74 sq m)

Basement 1,703.9 sq ft (158.3 sq m)

RENTAL £22,000 per annum do you think these is a good price.
 
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Depends on what you want. I'd imagine if the location was decent you'll make a lot of money fast - so probably be one of the few occassions credit cards and whatnot would be appropriate funding as you wouldn't be sitting around for months waiting on the cash coming back in.

How much you needing?
 
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If I had a good business idea and that is what the community and the council want would banks put money towards it the money would also be used to re-furbishment the building but we are talking a lot of money £500K to £1M we should be able to make this money back in one to two years form the business opening.


It looks like I have got a lot of work on my hands so I am looking for a business partner please PM me if you're interested.


If you would like to see an entertainment centre in Darwen then please can you give me some ideas on how to raise money the more money is raised the better it will be.
 
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What are you trying to do here... An arcade (as in the traditional wee shop) or a full blown entertainment centre - with the games, bowling, etc.?

If you're doing something that the council want then get a grant off them - the banks don't care about communities... They care about getting their money back! But if you're building a complex for people to hang out at (not just a gambling den) then I'm sure you'll make some friends at the council pretty fast...

You seem to be all over the place as to what you're doing - are you making an AGC or a FGC? Is it primarily for puggys or is it going to have other crap (like games) in it for kids too? You've went from a budget of £50-100k to ten times that overnight?!

How much cash/assets you got behind you pal? If you're talking about raising a million quid and all you own is an L reg Corsa - you've got more than a lot of hard work ahead! I'm sensing you've not got a lot of capital so how about this:

How about opening up something small, really small... I know that they're places in England where "InStores" (the wee pishy market places that are nationwide) don't have puggys... Rent a small space off them for £100-150 a week and put maybe 5-10 machines in there. You can hang around to give out change and keep an eye on things as and when it suits but really there's no need for you to be there. Then just empty the machines as regularly as you like... Save what you're making and use it to get another site at another InStores - repeat. Then open up a wee shop, which I recommend is staffed. Build up your capital and when you've got a couple of hundred grand behind you - then think about raising £1m, it'll be a whole lot more appitizing to investors and you'll have a lot of experience behind you as well... Just a thought ;)
 
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stevon said:
What are you trying to do here... An arcade (as in the traditional wee shop) or a full blown entertainment centre - with the games, bowling, etc.?

If you're doing something that the council want then get a grant off them - the banks don't care about communities... They care about getting their money back! But if you're building a complex for people to hang out at (not just a gambling den) then I'm sure you'll make some friends at the council pretty fast...

You seem to be all over the place as to what you're doing - are you making an AGC or a FGC? Is it primarily for puggys or is it going to have other crap (like games) in it for kids too? You've went from a budget of £50-100k to ten times that overnight?!

How much cash/assets you got behind you pal? If you're talking about raising a million quid and all you own is an L reg Corsa - you've got more than a lot of hard work ahead! I'm sensing you've not got a lot of capital so how about this:

How about opening up something small, really small... I know that they're places in England where "InStores" (the wee pishy market places that are nationwide) don't have puggys... Rent a small space off them for £100-150 a week and put maybe 5-10 machines in there. You can hang around to give out change and keep an eye on things as and when it suits but really there's no need for you to be there. Then just empty the machines as regularly as you like... Save what you're making and use it to get another site at another InStores - repeat. Then open up a wee shop, which I recommend is staffed. Build up your capital and when you've got a couple of hundred grand behind you - then think about raising £1m, it'll be a whole lot more appitizing to investors and you'll have a lot of experience behind you as well... Just a thought ;)

I am going to set it up as a AGC the reason why I need so much money is the building needs work doing to it but I may be able to split it up as you said start smile and work your way up I need to find a supplier can anybody help me out on this.
 
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Hyland_Games

I am doing something similar.... but im more the L reg corsa guy...

im planning on placing single machines on locations as i have friends in the pub game...

This is to Stevon... you sound like you have alot of knowledge in this field and maybe you could advise me better as iv not got my head in the clouds and im looking to start small...

In you opinion... how to non gambling machines hold out... i was looking at starting with these as i wont require a licence...

any opinions welcome..

thanks

Chris
 
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