selling alcohol

[debelite]

Hi, Can anyone give me advice on what licences are needed to sell alcohol to pubs, clubs, hotels etc? looking at local council information in some cases a premises licence is needed but does this still apply if i am selling alcohol to someone who already has an existing premises licence and not to the public? x

 

[stagman]

I would imagine you'll need a license to sell alcohol yourself, just because the pub/club can sell it, doesn't mean you can sell it to them.

 

[AdamTriggs]

I think its less to do with the licence and more to do with the duty paid.

If you bought the booz over seas and haven't paid uk tax then it is un lawful. if you bought it in tescos you have already paid the duty.

I think Don't quote me

speak to a land lord.

cheers
Adam

 

[winelabels]

You don't need a license to sell business to business, only to sell to consumers/the public.

 

[Pocket Money Designs]

You don't need a license to sell business to business, only to sell to consumers/the public.

That's correct, you only need a premises licence if you are selling for retail, not for wholesale

 

[oldeagleeye]

It is not quite correct to say that you can sell B2B without a licence. If Jimbo the accountant round the corner phones you and say he wants 2 - 3 bottles of Bollinger - no way. You have to sell wholesale and that usually means a min case of 6.

If you sell by the case - and it can depend on local laws you can somtimes sell direct to the public without the retail licence publicans need.

A typical situation a wine or real ale club.

Rob

 

[Pocket Money Designs]

It is not quite correct to say that you can sell B2B without a licence. If Jimbo the accountant round the corner phones you and say he wants 2 - 3 bottles of Bollinger - no way. You have to sell wholesale and that usually means a min case of 6.

If you sell by the case - and it can depend on local laws you can somtimes sell direct to the public without the retail licence publicans need.

A typical situation a wine or real ale club.

Rob

agreed, but debelite was asking whether he/she can sell it to pubs, clubs, hotels etc (who already have a premises licence) without a licence himself/herself, and the answer is yes

 

[winelabels]

It is not quite correct to say that you can sell B2B without a licence. If Jimbo the accountant round the corner phones you and say he wants 2 - 3 bottles of Bollinger - no way. You have to sell wholesale and that usually means a min case of 6.

If you sell by the case - and it can depend on local laws you can somtimes sell direct to the public without the retail licence publicans need.

A typical situation a wine or real ale club.

Rob

You are wrong on the this. The Licensing Act 2003 is perfectly clear, the sale by retail of alcohol must be licensed (Part 1, section 1, subsection a), sales by a business to a business do not, regardless of the quantity. As long as Jimbo the accountant orders as a business then that is fine.
Wine clubs must hold a premise license for the place the wine is dispatched from, and have a personal license holder responsible for all sales, the same as a pub, supermarket or off-license.

Under the previous licensing regime quantities of a case (12 bottles) or more were deemed to be wholesale and thus not a licensable activity. Those rules were scrapped when the 2003 Act came into force in 2005.

 

[oldeagleeye]

Thanks for the update Euromargue my info was based pre 2005 and hadn't realised the change. Going back to my reply. Should have read the OP question just addressed the by the case issue. Concerning the OP's question.

I really don't know why he or she is asking. The OP hasn't a hope in hell selling alcohol to pubs and hotels etc. It is a highly competitive market dominated by a few really big players and small but specialist wine importers with contcts cultivated over years.

As for personal duty free imports. Forget it. Every case of beer or wine now is secretly or otherwise marked and Customs know exactly where it come. Far too risky for a pub or even back street offie to touch.

Bit of a silly qusetion in the first place then.

Rob

 

[patientlady]

Hi, Can anyone give me advice on what licences are needed to sell alcohol to pubs, clubs, hotels etc? looking at local council information in some cases a premises licence is needed but does this still apply if i am selling alcohol to someone who already has an existing premises licence and not to the public? x

Hi debelite
Wondered what products you are planning to sell?
As mentioned above it is a hard game and if you have no grounding in this industry it will be tough.
Just to re-confirm you do not need a/any license to sell B2B
p/l
JUST SEEN this thread is from March! grrr

 

[oldeagleeye]

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[Deleted member 84181]

You may find some useful stuff on the blog AlcoholLicence.org

 

[BPO75]

Doesn't it cover from A1 license pluss personal license??

 

[samira01]

Its so funny because the council want to increase the price of drink to stop alcohol related problems yet they keep issuing more licenses to increase its availability.

It seems impossible for them to work on a common theme, but thats to be expected as I firmly believe that most of the councillors in the greater manchester area must be as thick as two short planks.

Someone please save us from these lunatics and tie their hands to prevent them making any serious desicions.

 

[kulture]

I think you will find that councils do not have the power to refuse licence applications simply because there are too many. If you want to fix this I suggest you lobby your MP and ask him to try and get the law changed so that councils can have the power you assume they should.