RTI payroll changes

[Anonymouse72]

i have a question for those in the know -

when this goes live, will it cause a problem if i'm using an address for an employee that differs to the address HMRC have?

for whatever reason the employee still hasn't updated HMRC with their new address, even though I've reminded them a few times. i won't knowingly file anything with their old address on when i know it isn't valid so i have their current address detailed on any info i file.

thanks

 

[David Griffiths]

As I understand it, the only consequence will be that HMRC will ask why the address is different from their record.

In which case, you reply that you've told them three times (or more) and they haven't taken any notice. Nothing new there.

 

[Lentinus]

Ahh yes sorry, I was obviously only half listening to the message. Got through quickly though... bet I that's not so easy in a months time!

 

[talkinpeace]

How will RTI cope with employeed who are no fixed abode (genuinely pretty nomadic in a caravan, remaining post goes to ex wifes house or mine, neither of which are his legal residence)

 

[The Wages Room]

Does he have an NI number?

 

[talkinpeace]

Yeah - been CIS for years.

 

[The Wages Room]

then I assume that he must have an address registered with HMRC. That is the one that should be used

 

[Tom McClelland]

How will RTI cope with employeed who are no fixed abode (genuinely pretty nomadic in a caravan, remaining post goes to ex wifes house or mine, neither of which are his legal residence)

No different from the current situation vis a vis P45. A P45 must have an employee address to be valid.

 

[talkinpeace]

cool, so they will carry on accepting his ex wife

 

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[Anonymouse72]

Sorry, me again! :redface:

Using hmrc basic tools, we pay staff weekly & we are paid monthly (2 directors). For year end reporting on ours i just put one entry for the total amount paid on a P11 each.

For RTI, i had assumed that i'd just report the monthly amount for us when paid.

Does anyone know if basic tools will cope with this ok? Weekly & monthly payments together in one payroll??

Thanks

 

[The Wages Room]

I'm afraid that you have to report the weeklies on or before you pay them! You could always use a payroll bureau

 

[The Wages Room]

I think that the basic HMRC tool will work but I have never used it so you will have to check their website. However as I said before you will have to do every week.

 

[Anonymouse72]

I'd continue to report the staff wages on a weekly basis. Just wanted to check that basic tools can do monthly AND weekly at the same time. I'll check with hmrc when back at work in a week.

 

[kevin.doran]

Today's RTI update from HMRC:

Reporting PAYE in real time (Real Time Information or RTI): relaxation of reporting arrangements for small businesses

HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) recognise that some small employers who pay employees weekly, or more frequently, but only process their payroll monthly may need longer to adapt to reporting PAYE information in real time. HMRC have therefore agreed a relaxation of reporting arrangements for small businesses.

Until 5 October 2013, employers with fewer than 50 employees, who find it difficult to report every payment to employees at the time of payment, may send information to HMRC by the date of their regular payroll run but no later than the end of the tax month (5th).

HMRC will continue to work with employer representatives during the summer to assess and understand the impact of RTI on the smallest businesses and consider whether they can make improvements to real time reporting which will address their concerns without compromising the benefits of RTI or the success of the Department for Work & Pension's Universal Credit.

Please see HMRC's guidance on exceptions to reporting PAYE information 'on or before' paying an employee.

Exceptions to reporting PAYE information 'on or before' paying an employee

 

[The Wages Room]

Full information regarding this is on our blog, Also it seems that the national insurance number finder is giving out NINO with no suffix number!:

http://www.thewagesroom.co.uk/blog/hmrc’s-basic-paye-tools-software-fail

 

[The Wages Room]

I am in contact with the Revenue and with the CIPP to clarify what is happening about the omission of a suffix number when HMRC tell the employer which National Insurance number to use and will update when I get a reply.

 

[The Wages Room]

I have just had a reply from the CIPP policy team:

We have been informed that HMRC are aware of this problem and are looking in to this – in the meantime they are now suppressing the issue of NINOs to avoid confusion.

I do not think that I need to comment!

 

[Tom McClelland]

We've also just had a reply from the (Excellent) SDS Team at HMRC who say that HMRC are looking at this problem "urgently".

 

[RTI-man]

Daft thing is, the suffix is entirely irrelevant these days. Its not used in any of HMRCs trace and match routines etc.

Its about time HMRC just did away with it, maybe now would be the ideal time!

 

[David Griffiths]

Daft thing is, the suffix is entirely irrelevant these days. Its not used in any of HMRCs trace and match routines etc.

Its about time HMRC just did away with it, maybe now would be the ideal time!

Why not keep the suffix and do away with HMRC!

 

[Tom McClelland]

I've no objection to eliminating the suffix, if it is done in a clear, transparent organised manner, where everyone on the software development side is prepared for the concept (and for example the Recognition samples could all be sans suffix, so that recognised vendors know what is required of them).