Recording staff holidays

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    Just a quick heads up. One of the things that is changing from 6 April is that there will be a requirement that all employers keep clear records of all holidays taken AND how the holiday pay has been calculated, to ensure they comply with the law on holidays. Failure to do so will be a criminal offence with potentially unlimited fines. If anyone needs support with doing this they should speak to their HR Advisor.
     

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    I'd find it hard to believe people don't do this already, holidays recorded in staff files and pay is identified on pay slip, or does this now need to be submitted somewhere too?
     
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    I'd find it hard to believe people don't do this already, holidays recorded in staff files and pay is identified on pay slip, or does this now need to be submitted somewhere too?
    It doesn't need to be submitted, but the holiday pay calculation needs to be recorded, not just 1 week @ £x but average weekly earnings over period [specified] = weekly holiday pay £y.
     
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    This is where Payroll Software has additional benefits because many of the commercial softwares enable recording of annual leave. Some Payslip formats show the leave allowed and the leave remaining. That way, leave recording simply becomes part and parcel of Payroll processing.

    But please be aware that HMRCs Basic PAYE Tools ( as far as I am aware ) does not enable recording of Annual Leave.

    Also, as far as I am aware, Directors are not obliged to take their leave entitlement so long as they comply with Working Time Regulations.

     
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    This is where Payroll Software has additional benefits because many of the commercial softwares enable recording of annual leave. Some Payslip formats show the leave allowed and the leave remaining. That way, leave recording simply becomes part and parcel of Payroll processing.

    But please be aware that HMRCs Basic PAYE Tools ( as far as I am aware ) does not enable recording of Annual Leave.

    Also, as far as I am aware, Directors are not obliged to take their leave entitlement so long as they comply with Working Time Regulations.

    Most payroll software allows the recording of annual leave, but many do not accurately calculate the correct holiday pay, which is an issue.

    HMRC Basic Tools is very basic.

    No one is actually obliged to take annual leave, although employers should insist on it for good health and safety reasons. That also applies to directors:)
     
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    I am sole director, sole shareholder and sole employee of my Ltd Company. I just get a monthly salary whether I am working, on holiday or whatever. I do not record my holidays, I just take them when I want. Is this a problem?
     
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    I am sole director, sole shareholder and sole employee of my Ltd Company. I just get a monthly salary whether I am working, on holiday or whatever. I do not record my holidays, I just take them when I want. Is this a problem?
    Those 3 roles are all separate and different. Are you actually an employee? Have you, as Director, given yourself, as employee, an employment contract? If not, it doesn't apply. Neither does minimum wage. If you are genuinely an employee it may matter if you are paid different amounts each month. You also should record when you are on holiday in case there is a Health and Safety issue and you want to sue yourself for failing to provide a healthy and safe working environment. However, as I cannot see there ever being a random investigation of compliance - they will have their work cut out dealing with formal complaints of non-compliance, you are probably safe, unless you want to complain about yourself for failing to comply. 🤣🤣
     
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    I don't have an employment contract. The director and I get on very well and I trust him. We have had this arrangement for 28 years and never a moments disagreement
     
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    Most payroll software allows the recording of annual leave, but many do not accurately calculate the correct holiday pay, which is an issue.
    I thought it was just the payroll software that we use that was rubbish at that. Thank you for flagging! HMRC have the teeth to say which software is allowed for RTI submissions, so why can't they use their leverage to force payroll software manufacturers to calculate holidays correctly?
     
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    I thought it was just the payroll software that we use that was rubbish at that. Thank you for flagging! HMRC have the teeth to say which software is allowed for RTI submissions, so why can't they use their leverage to force payroll software manufacturers to calculate holidays correctly?
    Because the data isn't there, quite often. Most employers pay monthly, holiday pay is calculated in weeks. Time on statutory pay is excluded from the calculation of the 52 week average, but requires a different calculation for rolled up holiday pay. Weeks with zero pay are excluded etc, etc. It would be doable, but it involves a lot of coding and it needs the employer to give more information than is needed just for payroll. Some software claims to do it, but I prefer to do it myself.
     
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