Price for printing DL leaflets required?

caramel creative

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Hi,

Am looking for best price on printing:
5000 x 2-sided full colour leaflets
Size: 210x99mm
Stock: 170gsm silk or matt art

- Have artwork ready to go & am looking for delivery early-mid next week

(NB. please DON'T submit price if you're a Printcarrier.com reseller!)

Many thanks,

Mark
 

Wicksy

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Hi,

Am looking for best price on printing:
5000 x 2-sided full colour leaflets
Size: 210x99mm
Stock: 170gsm silk or matt art

- Have artwork ready to go & am looking for delivery early-mid next week

(NB. please DON'T submit price if you're a Printcarrier.com reseller!)

Many thanks,

Mark

£141 all in with a 4 day turnaround - top quality litho printed 130gsm
or £155 300gsm

www.theonlineprintcompany.com
[email protected]
 
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plotter

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been doing my sums for this, these prices are so cut throat im not even going to quote for it. Dont you all realise all your doing is driving the prices down, working to earn very little to nothing, and putting other people out of business. Either that or your just starting and need work desperately, which i dont:rolleyes:
 
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Arhiann

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I agree Plotter. This is why I have emailed Mark, I think many people base their prices on what the post before has. We can not simply do this so I have emailed a Quote over and If Mark decides he would like to work with us so be it :)

To be fair the people quoting aren't actually printers are they, they are resellers.. That would be why the customer has asked for 170gsm and only one person has quoted for it. (To the other poster - consider scoring your leaflet depending on the content - 170gsm is borderline for cracking).

I should say I don't think you are a printer either Gavin.

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been doing my sums for this, these prices are so cut throat im not even going to quote for it. Dont you all realise all your doing is driving the prices down, working to earn very little to nothing, and putting other people out of business. Either that or your just starting and need work desperately, which i dont

Nope, they're buying off a ganger and there's the rub. The margins are very tight and that is to be expected. Every other person thinks they are a printer now, and all those people have got to try make a living. I'm b***ered if I would do a job for £20. With six figures of investment I would rather sell it all and retire rather than be a busy fool. It's all well and good selling at those kind of prices, but what happens when you get a file that doesn't flattern properly, where fonts aren't embedded or worse still it's in Publisher. There's no room to breath at those rates.

The other thing that people miss is that quite often there's a major benefit to running more than one design. WIth all the resellers they can't do this, but for the price quote below (£295 for the spec the OP actually *asked for*), I can run two designs. You have the ability to test then, and that's invaluable.

The printing and graphic trades really depress me now. Any monkey with Photoshop thinks they can design, and whilst the advent of the gang printers has made print more accessible for smaller companies, the fact now that every ganger has 50/100/1000/2000 resellers means that it's a massively saturated market (cue low prices, low margins, bankruptcies etc).

Anyway, 'nuff said - it isn't sustainable and something's got to give. Fortunately I don't work down at those kind of print runs; the smallest runs we do are around £250, and we don't gang jobs together.

Edit: Just to say I misread the post - this is just a DL leaflet, not a DL 6pp. So based on that I could probably do 12 designs for £295 ;)
 
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plotter

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Ive been in the print trade ever since i left school, many many moons ago. I now run my own company running 3 litho presses, 1 digital press, 1 large format solvent printer and a large format roland plotter.
Unfortunately since the .com boom, nearly every customer expects me to compete with these crazy prices. I dont, but i still get the work..
Why?
1) because we have a 1 to 1 from graphic design, right through to the finished job.
2)The prices are always agreed beforehand, with no extra charges
3) The biggest one. When i say you will get your job on Thursday, You recieve it on Thursday(sometimes Wednesday.)
Basically its down to customer service, and my customers know that they pay that little bit more, but they also know the service that they get is second to none.
(without bigging myself up too much)
 
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Wicksy

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To be fair the people quoting aren't actually printers are they, they are resellers.. That would be why the customer has asked for 170gsm and only one person has quoted for it. (To the other poster - consider scoring your leaflet depending on the content - 170gsm is borderline for cracking).

I should say I don't think you are a printer either Gavin.



Nope, they're buying off a ganger and there's the rub. The margins are very tight and that is to be expected. Every other person thinks they are a printer now, and all those people have got to try make a living. I'm b***ered if I would do a job for £20. With six figures of investment I would rather sell it all and retire rather than be a busy fool. It's all well and good selling at those kind of prices, but what happens when you get a file that doesn't flattern properly, where fonts aren't embedded or worse still it's in Publisher. There's no room to breath at those rates.

The other thing that people miss is that quite often there's a major benefit to running more than one design. WIth all the resellers they can't do this, but for the price quote below (£295 for the spec the OP actually *asked for*), I can run two designs. You have the ability to test then, and that's invaluable.

The printing and graphic trades really depress me now. Any monkey with Photoshop thinks they can design, and whilst the advent of the gang printers has made print more accessible for smaller companies, the fact now that every ganger has 50/100/1000/2000 resellers means that it's a massively saturated market (cue low prices, low margins, bankruptcies etc).

Anyway, 'nuff said - it isn't sustainable and something's got to give. Fortunately I don't work down at those kind of print runs; the smallest runs we do are around £250, and we don't gang jobs together.

Edit: Just to say I misread the post - this is just a DL leaflet, not a DL 6pp. So based on that I could probably do 12 designs for £295 ;)
Just to say that ours is one of the most competitive prices there - we are not resellers and have our own litho press lines and I myself have been in the design business for over 30 years. Yes, it is cut throat the same as it is in every other trade at this moment in time

www.theonlineprintcompany.com/davewickham
 
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Wicksy

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What presses are you running mate?
I see its a virtual franchise, isnt that a re - seller? or do you print in house.
Full spec is on the website - the franchise enables the company to stretch further afield - its not a situation where a reseller puts a mark up for himself - all prices are controlled by the company and yes, the printing is in house
 
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Wicksy

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so how do it help you stretch further afield?
Im not questioning you, im asking why would someone like myself do it? What exactly is on offer / whats the deal.
Not that im interested in taking one up, just interested in the ins and outs of it all
The company aims to put customer service top of the agenda - with print professionals available in each county who whilst helping customers can also promote our products and ideals at the same time
 
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plotter

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My customers are at the top, i even make them tea or coffee. We do work for people as far afield as wembley, and only last week i did a job for a company in essex,(im in wales by the way) Its cheaper for them to come to me and have it posted than it is to do locally or in london, But i still charge more than most if not all franchises.
 
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Just to say that ours is one of the most competitive prices there - we are not resellers and have our own litho press lines and I myself have been in the design business for over 30 years. Yes, it is cut throat the same as it is in every other trade at this moment in time

www.theonlineprintcompany.com/davewickham

Do you personally own a company that owns a printing press?

R
 
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caramel creative

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Hi again Everyone,

Many thanks for all the prices and the other feedback; in hindsight I should have specified for anyone who was interested in supplying a quotation to do so via a PM as the last thing I wanted to do was create a bidding war with posters undercutting each other so as to not make it viable for themselves.
I'm still relatively new to the forum & will learn from this!

Thanks,

Mark
 
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plotter

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Not at all, there is no price war, i give prices(or dont in this case) and its your choice. But it annoys me that people who are trying to make a quick buck by using internet printers, and havent got the foggiest idea of how print works. These people are the ones who is and have been for the past 8 years or so ruining my livelyhood.:mad:
If you want a job doing, my advice to you would be, find a local printers, that way you can drop in on them whenever you like and get the job checked as you go. Yes you will pay more, but the job will be correct in the long run..:D
 
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