PPC - What is expected return

I am an accountant and have had some success with PPC in the past but probably wasted some money. I am looking to get it going again but not sure of the numbers.

If you were to say spend £500 of google adwords how many client contacts should that get you.

I appreciate there are variables around area etc but some high level standards or estimates would do.

What is average number of ad clicks to get a 1 client contact etc.
 

Erno Horvath

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Hi Glenn,

Almost every sector have different numbers, the key is to build a sustainable source of leads where the return on investment is positive.
I've just checked and it seems the keywords you are probably targeting is about £5-£15/click (it really depend on the city you are in, London & Manchester seems very expensive but smaller cities like Bolton are much cheaper).

With good targeting you should convert about 6-8-10% of those visitors, sometimes you can achieve even better results it depends on your offering, the landing page you use, the keyword, hour of the day, device you target etc etc.

Which means one lead can be vary from £50 to £250 in your case for start, but later on it can be decreased as you know which keywords are converting better.

I hope that helped.
 
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Thanks Erno.

Its good to handle on the numbers. I am in Durham and keyword Accountant is about £3.00.
I am aiming to get about 2 good web contacts per month. So its understanding how many people you need into the front end of the system to get that out of the back.

Also if I meet people face to face I sign up 90% of them, if I respond via web contact the sign up rate is much less. Is this just the nature of web referrals in that people search more and go with cheapest or why is on line conversion so low
 
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Alan

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    Reality is it depends... many factors come into play - quality /structure of the ad copy - how the keywords are selected and managed, the landing page design, whether you appear organically on the same page as you adds, competitive ness of the sector.

    On different campaigns on different products we have had conversion rates as high as 20% and as low as 0.9%

    £500 is enough to do a reasonable proof of concept and get some measures,but probably not enough to fully optimise things.

    You need to think what is the lifetime value of your customer, lets say average 3 years at £2k per year = £6k, as an example, so what are you prepared to pay to get £6k work?

    Start with a hypothesis - e.g. I'm happy to pay £200 to get £6k work then build your campaigns and landing pages and test against that and see if you can hit that ROI. (or see if your PPC consultant can hit / improve that ROI )

    At least with PPC you can ramp up and down at will. We have run print campaigns and exhibition campaigns that have a large cost - and when they don't work it is very depressing.
     
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    As Alan said, work out how much a customer is going to be worth to you on average first.

    Keywords like 'accountant' are generic and won't convert aswell. You want targetted stuff like 'small business accountant bolton' or 'help me hmrc are fining the shti out of me for late tax returns'

    Online conversion being lower is standard, if someones gone to the effort of visiting you in real life they're obviously going to convert better than someone sat at home stoned in their boxers sending you a quick message
     
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    Nice one Dan. Stoned in their boxers..lol. I like that :cool:

    What if they made the effort to visit you stoned in their boxers? Could this produce a better conversion rate?

    Note to self..Stop posting while drinking wine.
    James

    Was easier to get those sorts of visits when I lived on your side of the border, southern women have class fuks sake.

    Only joking, sort of:D
     
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    Usman Ahmed

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    £1250 for 7 years... bloody hell mate, you need to pay someone to get you to the top of organic rankings for your city keywords and run your adwords campaigns and then top that off with some retargeting and most important of all you need to TEST, TEST, and TEST some more until you figure out what converts for you, then ramp up the budget to get as many clients as you possibly can. Don't waste time here asking hypothetical questions... the only way to know for sure is to TEST.

    It's like someone walking into your office and asking 'How much tax am I going to have to pay this year... just an estimate' and you ask them well 'how much did you make' and he turns around and says 'I don't know'... you're not exactly going to be able to help him are you :)
     
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    Glenn it is very difficult to say how many enquiries and then sales you would get from AdWords. Being based in the north east myself I do look after clients doing similar things with some good success so it does work. It is all dependent on what your fees are (I can see £1,250) and then deciding with the spend how much you would need to generate to make this avenue profitable for you and how we can continue to improve things from there.
    Hopefully that helps. Feel free to drop me a message if you have any further questions about this :)
     
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    makeusvisible

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    An incredibly common question, and one we tend to discuss with every client at the start of a project. Managing expectations (including your own), is a really important part of engaging in a PPC campaign.

    The first thing to appreciate, is that every single industry will have a different average cost per click, and a different average cost per conversion. Before you spend a single penny on PPC, you need to answer one question.... and you need to be sensible about how you answer it....

    Q: What is an acceptable cost-per-conversion to you?

    As you are an accountant, a conversion would most likely have to be considered as a 'firm lead'. i.e a genuine inquiry for a potential (new) client.

    Now...the answer to that question, very much depends on your average client's worth.for example;

    How long does a client generally stay with you?
    In their lifetime, how much money do they spend with you?
    From that spend, what is your mark-up /profit? (i.e after employee costs etc)


    Answering questions like the above should allow you to come to a reasonable assumption about an acceptable cost per conversion. It is crucial you are realistic....i.e don't expect to gain conversion for £5.

    Once you have an acceptable cost per conversion, you need to know (or assume) your website's conversion rate. This is critical. i.e

    Q:How many visitors (on average) does it take to your website before you gain a conversion.

    For example, if you get an average of 2 enquirers for every 100 visits to your site, your average conversion rate is 2%.

    If you dont know the answer to the above question....your initial spend on Adwords is going to be a market research exercise until you CAN answer the question. So..make sure you have analytics setup correctly, and conversion tracking configured.

    Finally, you need to know the answer to one more question;

    Q:What is the average cost per click for your target keywords.

    i.e how much are you going to have to pay for a click on one of your Ads. This can very from pence, to £10s. If you are selling pencils expect to pay pence, if you are selling mortgages expect to pay £10s. Expect your cost per click to be higher at the start, and lower as your campaigns are optimised.

    So...if you can answer the above, you will have some decent targets for an Adwords campaign. Let's assume for example...

    Your site converts at 2%
    Your acceptable cost per conversion is £200
    The average cost per click for your target keywords is £3

    This would allow you to estimate that for your £500 spend, you should look to gain around 3 general enquiries....obviously converting them into an actual customer will depend on factors like your sales technique...if you answer the phone....your prices etc etc.

    Now the trick with Adwords is optimisation...... not all of which can be done from day one..... but some techniques which will get the cost per click down include;

    Finding cheaper yet relevant keywords
    Using the display network
    Remarketing (which is a no brainer by the way)
    Improving your quality score
    Testing multiple Ads
    Properly segmenting your campaigns and ad groups.

    Dont be tempted to start spending money before you have done some research as above, and make sure your are realistic about your goals. If your acceptable cost per conversion is unrealistic, and your are competing against people who have a more realistic cost per conversion, it is likely that Adwords wont work for you.

    Hope the above helps.
     
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