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Please stop this, it is not helpful to anyone. As both Rob and Duane have said if you have a grievance take it out in private with Ozzy, I, like many others I am sure, saw your thread this morning asking for opinions and chose not to reply so hopefully it would end, but if you want my opinion I think the Mods do an excellent job on here and unfortunately sometimes make a decision that is not easy to understand. This does not make them biased or discriminatory just trying to do a difficult job.....for free.
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SuffolkDesigns
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I am guessing because in the other thread on this subject Rob said
"please do not bring this issue up in any further threads."
I would also guess that the lack of response from other forum members in your threads would mean that the majority do not feel the same as you do about the moderation of the forums.
"please do not bring this issue up in any further threads."
I would also guess that the lack of response from other forum members in your threads would mean that the majority do not feel the same as you do about the moderation of the forums.
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Michae
- Original Poster
- #8
well theres the opinion of 4 members... I respect thoughs opinions too. I also pointed out in the posting, which im suprised you had time to read as it was removed v.quickly, that moderators in my opinion do a good and at times very difficult job.
My only question is why, if almost all the posts in the offers section refer to offers that arn't uniquely available to UKBF members, is mine the one that gets removed for this reason??
I don't like using words like discrimination or bias but how else am i suppose to see this clear inbalance in moderator behaviour??
I always thought that asking question, discussing issues, making improvements for its members was how this forum operated...
All i'm getting at the moment is a 'don't discuss anything negative' attitude or we'll delete your posts and ask you not to discuss it with other members. I'm sorry if that doesn't seem right to me but it doesn't!
My only question is why, if almost all the posts in the offers section refer to offers that arn't uniquely available to UKBF members, is mine the one that gets removed for this reason??
I don't like using words like discrimination or bias but how else am i suppose to see this clear inbalance in moderator behaviour??
I always thought that asking question, discussing issues, making improvements for its members was how this forum operated...
All i'm getting at the moment is a 'don't discuss anything negative' attitude or we'll delete your posts and ask you not to discuss it with other members. I'm sorry if that doesn't seem right to me but it doesn't!
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Michael said:
Actually Michael you got a clear explanation as to why your post was removed with the promise that I would TRY and look at the list of other members posts you reported.
I also asked as I will do again, that because you seem to have an issue that the moderators can't help with, that you take it up in private with Ozzy
Thanks,
Rob
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Michael,
I know you think you're being unfairly tagetted because there are other undeleted posts - you feel as if you are in the minority. What you have to remember is that there are dozens and dozens of other posts that are also deleted that you don't see. So you are actually in the majority.
I know you think you're being unfairly tagetted because there are other undeleted posts - you feel as if you are in the minority. What you have to remember is that there are dozens and dozens of other posts that are also deleted that you don't see. So you are actually in the majority.
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Michae
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Again, thank you for your time and effort. Ive follow your advice am looking forward to a reply and clarification....
I think you are refering to the post in the offers section that was removed...
This post is primarily about the post in general business that was removed shortly after our discussion, another issue entirely.....
In the mean time are all my posts going to be removed?
I think you are refering to the post in the offers section that was removed...
This post is primarily about the post in general business that was removed shortly after our discussion, another issue entirely.....
In the mean time are all my posts going to be removed?
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Michael
You need to let go. Move on. I had actually read your post about smartnumbers.co.uk acquiring or having sold a specific number and to me it was worded like a spam. I actually clicked the button to report it as spam. I am happy to simply click that button for each spam I see because as a loyal member of this forum I am doing my bit to keep it clean and professional and that is why this forum is very successful.
You are in business you know full well that people do not like spam and you would be well advised to avoid writing posts that may be construed as spam and seek some advice from a PR consultant to write a professional press release to post in the Press Releases forum.
Everyone on here have built up their own UKBF reputation be it by the advice given, information shared, or services provided. It is not doing you or your business any justice to keep gnawing the bone. I am sure everyone on UKBF does not wish to lose any member and therefore they are treated fairly
Even I have had my disagreements with a Moderator but I had to move on because it is not going to change anything. Moderators are more than often in a no win situation. At the end of the day this forum belongs to Ozzy and his decision is final, whether we like it or not. If you do not like it, then there are other forums that lack in any moderation.
You need to let go. Move on. I had actually read your post about smartnumbers.co.uk acquiring or having sold a specific number and to me it was worded like a spam. I actually clicked the button to report it as spam. I am happy to simply click that button for each spam I see because as a loyal member of this forum I am doing my bit to keep it clean and professional and that is why this forum is very successful.
You are in business you know full well that people do not like spam and you would be well advised to avoid writing posts that may be construed as spam and seek some advice from a PR consultant to write a professional press release to post in the Press Releases forum.
Everyone on here have built up their own UKBF reputation be it by the advice given, information shared, or services provided. It is not doing you or your business any justice to keep gnawing the bone. I am sure everyone on UKBF does not wish to lose any member and therefore they are treated fairly
Even I have had my disagreements with a Moderator but I had to move on because it is not going to change anything. Moderators are more than often in a no win situation. At the end of the day this forum belongs to Ozzy and his decision is final, whether we like it or not. If you do not like it, then there are other forums that lack in any moderation.
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I thnk you've also been told why that was deleted, by three different people.
It doesn't look as if all your posts are being deleted as I can still see all of your posts above.
I'm not going to post anymore to this thread/subject, as I think all of your questions have been answered and it's not going to go anywhere constructive from here on.
To all of you that have made supportive comments about the thankless task of modding these forums - thank you - it's much appreciated by all of the mods.
It doesn't look as if all your posts are being deleted as I can still see all of your posts above.
I'm not going to post anymore to this thread/subject, as I think all of your questions have been answered and it's not going to go anywhere constructive from here on.
To all of you that have made supportive comments about the thankless task of modding these forums - thank you - it's much appreciated by all of the mods.
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A scenario... If I was speeding along a motorway with a string of other drivers and we all were breaking the speed limit, a police car gave chase with the intention of pulling one of the speeding drivers up. If that happened to be me then I would just say it was 'bad luck' if another driver was pulled up instead and I got away with it, I'd say it was 'good luck'. My point is that I wouldn't remotely consider that the police officer was acting unfairly, discrimatory or anything else. I was, after all breaking the speed limit so why should I have got away with it?
The rules of this forum that we as members should abide by were made abundantly clear to you a number of times yet because others haven't been 'caught' you see fit to suggest a partiality that being honest I haven't witnessed since I've been a member.
The rules of this forum that we as members should abide by were made abundantly clear to you a number of times yet because others haven't been 'caught' you see fit to suggest a partiality that being honest I haven't witnessed since I've been a member.
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Michae
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That scenarios is only relevent because the police officer can't catch all the speeding drivers!
In this case almost all of the other offers in that section are not offers that are unique to UKBF members and thats why my post was deleted....
If I broke the rules amd my post has to be deleted then I accept it!! Thats not my problem at all...If in your scenario the speeding drivers where perhaps known to the police officer and where allowed to carry on speeding past him on the same section of motorway i'd have a strong case against my speeding conviction as the officer wouldnt have been bahaving in a professional manner at the time!
Why then as the moderators are there most of the time haven't loads of the other posts been deleted since this thread was started??
Does it simply come down to a matter of opinion on what is and isn't acceptable? If so you do not have impartiality.....
In this case almost all of the other offers in that section are not offers that are unique to UKBF members and thats why my post was deleted....
If I broke the rules amd my post has to be deleted then I accept it!! Thats not my problem at all...If in your scenario the speeding drivers where perhaps known to the police officer and where allowed to carry on speeding past him on the same section of motorway i'd have a strong case against my speeding conviction as the officer wouldnt have been bahaving in a professional manner at the time!
Why then as the moderators are there most of the time haven't loads of the other posts been deleted since this thread was started??
Does it simply come down to a matter of opinion on what is and isn't acceptable? If so you do not have impartiality.....
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Michael said:
Exactly, the same that Mods cannot read every post! They are human, not robots. This site is free and no-one is obliged to use it. No-one is being paid and UKBF are very generous to even get your business noticed in some way at no cost to you.
The rules of the forum dictate what is acceptable and what is not. Mods bend over backwards to keep the site clean, profiessional and compliant with the rules. Like I said, no-one is obliged to use it.
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" If I broke the rules amd my post has to be deleted then I accept it!! Thats not my problem at all"
That's not how I see your reaction based upon the nature of your subsequent posts. Your original post fell short of the expectations on this forum and was reasonably removed, albeit you do seem to have problems with that fact. As to how effective the mods are at ridding the forum of other posts which breach forum rules I do not see as being your problem at all.
Good advice has been offered by others, move on to better things.
That's not how I see your reaction based upon the nature of your subsequent posts. Your original post fell short of the expectations on this forum and was reasonably removed, albeit you do seem to have problems with that fact. As to how effective the mods are at ridding the forum of other posts which breach forum rules I do not see as being your problem at all.
Good advice has been offered by others, move on to better things.
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multilingual
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Michael,
I am not going to get too deep into this as I have better things to do, but so far to date you have had 403 posts, so that's a reasonable amount to rack up over the time you have been involved.
Maybe in the beginning we all play exactly by the rules and everything goes well, but slowly (as we become part of the furniture
) then we start to relax (a bit like going to the local pub) and we start to see ourselves as part of the forum, one of the regulars, an all round good guy to have around.
So we get a bit blase and start to think that the forum rules don't really apply to us, just the newbies. The moderators are here to uphold the rules for everyone to see, and it doesn't do any harm to let people know that they have to play by the same values. So maybe you forgot the rules and went a bit over the top, no problem, move on.
It is not personal, don't take it that way. If you had settled this in private then we would have been none the wiser to this whole incident, but as you have thrown the teddy out of the pram then we start to see you as being somewhat less than a true professional.
In a chat room this would not matter, but this is a business forum and you need to understand that your reputation in here is judged by the subjects of the postings you make and the words you write in response to others.
If your thread was deleted because it looked like spam then you should thank the mods for saving your reputation. Further comments serve only to make you look a bit childish and you can't afford to have people think of you like that if you want to build up credibility.
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JB
I am not going to get too deep into this as I have better things to do, but so far to date you have had 403 posts, so that's a reasonable amount to rack up over the time you have been involved.
Maybe in the beginning we all play exactly by the rules and everything goes well, but slowly (as we become part of the furniture
) then we start to relax (a bit like going to the local pub) and we start to see ourselves as part of the forum, one of the regulars, an all round good guy to have around.So we get a bit blase and start to think that the forum rules don't really apply to us, just the newbies. The moderators are here to uphold the rules for everyone to see, and it doesn't do any harm to let people know that they have to play by the same values. So maybe you forgot the rules and went a bit over the top, no problem, move on.
It is not personal, don't take it that way. If you had settled this in private then we would have been none the wiser to this whole incident, but as you have thrown the teddy out of the pram then we start to see you as being somewhat less than a true professional.
In a chat room this would not matter, but this is a business forum and you need to understand that your reputation in here is judged by the subjects of the postings you make and the words you write in response to others.
If your thread was deleted because it looked like spam then you should thank the mods for saving your reputation. Further comments serve only to make you look a bit childish and you can't afford to have people think of you like that if you want to build up credibility.
(Two pence worth)
JB
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Michae
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I agree and thanks for your advice / input.
Your point regarding moderators up holding the rules for EVERYONE in the same way is a very good one.
I apologies for being annoyed by this but once again I find myself saying that fairness is an important thing in business forums, dont you agree?
If my posts are deleted for a reason, thats ok as I have already said i have accepted that. lol its nothing to do with throwing the teddy out of the pram or any other childish and un professional comments...
It's to do with being treated fairly, if you think that standing up for fairness is unprofessional then i'm happy for you to label me in that way.
Ive said that the moderators have a hard job and do well under the circumstances, ive agreed that if I broke the rules my post should be deleted, yet you still want me to put up and shut up over the points I have to make which are fair ones?
It's nothing to do with me saying
'ive done wrong but so have the other boys and girls sir!'
Its to do with the fact that members have been posting, as most of them are right now, offers in the forum that arn't unique to UKBF members. Yet there seems to be only a few members that are pulled up on this......
Perhaps your comments about regulars thinking they can get away with things might be accurate.
I started this thread and have said my peice. Ive listened to all of your advice wether constructive or childish and I thank you for it.
I'm sure the moderators will carry on attempting to do the difficult job that they do to the best of their abilities...
I still stand by the fact that if you are going to have rules that they should be for everyone, always. Also, moderation when conducted by individuals who have a vested interest only adds to the difficulty of the task and will often lead to mistrust...
I hope now that this, until Ozzy replies, will be the end of the matter...
Your point regarding moderators up holding the rules for EVERYONE in the same way is a very good one.
I apologies for being annoyed by this but once again I find myself saying that fairness is an important thing in business forums, dont you agree?
If my posts are deleted for a reason, thats ok as I have already said i have accepted that. lol its nothing to do with throwing the teddy out of the pram or any other childish and un professional comments...
It's to do with being treated fairly, if you think that standing up for fairness is unprofessional then i'm happy for you to label me in that way.
Ive said that the moderators have a hard job and do well under the circumstances, ive agreed that if I broke the rules my post should be deleted, yet you still want me to put up and shut up over the points I have to make which are fair ones?
It's nothing to do with me saying
'ive done wrong but so have the other boys and girls sir!'
Its to do with the fact that members have been posting, as most of them are right now, offers in the forum that arn't unique to UKBF members. Yet there seems to be only a few members that are pulled up on this......
Perhaps your comments about regulars thinking they can get away with things might be accurate.
I started this thread and have said my peice. Ive listened to all of your advice wether constructive or childish and I thank you for it.
I'm sure the moderators will carry on attempting to do the difficult job that they do to the best of their abilities...
I still stand by the fact that if you are going to have rules that they should be for everyone, always. Also, moderation when conducted by individuals who have a vested interest only adds to the difficulty of the task and will often lead to mistrust...
I hope now that this, until Ozzy replies, will be the end of the matter...
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Hi Michael,
I've read through some of your posts and some of the replies, but to be honest I haven't time to read them all.
You asked why wasn't your post moved to the announcements section.. This is because that section is for me to make UKBF related announcements only and not members to make announcements.
You asked why wasn't it removed to the press release section, it wasn't a press release.
You asked why you wasn't sent a PM telling you it was deleted, this is because the moderators delete sometimes up to 50 posts a day, and they do this for no reward. It cannot be expected of them to send a PM to each of those 50 members explaining why their posts were deleted and then getting into a debate about why, where and explaining themselves.
The Offers Section is for ukbf offers only and about 60% of posts in that section get deleted, so much so I've been chatting with the mods and some other members about the validity of that section - I'll probably delete it soon.
There is in the region of about 50 new threads and 400 new posts a day for the moderators to moderate, it is not possible for them to keep on top and check every single post to make sure its legit. This doesn't include the 20 or so posts a day from "moderated" members who's posts need moderator approval before they appear on the forums.
You've also taken to slagging off this forum on other forums because of this, and as good as spamming these forums with constant complaints about this forum with regards your posts being deleted. Shame really, as you can see the majority of members feel the moderators do a fantastic yet thankless task on here.
Seriously, if things are as bad on here as you have implied elsewhere why are they the largest, most active and most popular UK business forums available? ...and most of that is due to the very good moderating by Rob, Alan and Duane.
I'm sorry you feel that you have been singled out, this is not the case. As said above, it was just bad luck. Where possible all offers that are not unique UKBF offers get deleted in the offers section but some get missed unintentionally. When caught they get deleted. Also, and very strictly, any posts that look remotely spammy in the rest of the forum get deleted when caught.
Take this how you will, I suspect you'll probably make another post somewhere arguing your corner again and you'll probably continue until no-one cares anymore. You'll probably slag this reply here off on 4networking also, that is up to you and likewise it will be up to the site owner there to keep your posts on there or delete them. Personally I think arguments cause a bad korma (cama or whatever) so these sort of threads get deleted as it doesn't look good to potential new members coming along and looking through these forums. So I will delete this thread once you and the other members of have contributed here have had a chance to read my reply.
I hope this explains my position
ATB
Richard
I've read through some of your posts and some of the replies, but to be honest I haven't time to read them all.
You asked why wasn't your post moved to the announcements section.. This is because that section is for me to make UKBF related announcements only and not members to make announcements.
You asked why wasn't it removed to the press release section, it wasn't a press release.
You asked why you wasn't sent a PM telling you it was deleted, this is because the moderators delete sometimes up to 50 posts a day, and they do this for no reward. It cannot be expected of them to send a PM to each of those 50 members explaining why their posts were deleted and then getting into a debate about why, where and explaining themselves.
The Offers Section is for ukbf offers only and about 60% of posts in that section get deleted, so much so I've been chatting with the mods and some other members about the validity of that section - I'll probably delete it soon.
There is in the region of about 50 new threads and 400 new posts a day for the moderators to moderate, it is not possible for them to keep on top and check every single post to make sure its legit. This doesn't include the 20 or so posts a day from "moderated" members who's posts need moderator approval before they appear on the forums.
You've also taken to slagging off this forum on other forums because of this, and as good as spamming these forums with constant complaints about this forum with regards your posts being deleted. Shame really, as you can see the majority of members feel the moderators do a fantastic yet thankless task on here.
Seriously, if things are as bad on here as you have implied elsewhere why are they the largest, most active and most popular UK business forums available? ...and most of that is due to the very good moderating by Rob, Alan and Duane.
I'm sorry you feel that you have been singled out, this is not the case. As said above, it was just bad luck. Where possible all offers that are not unique UKBF offers get deleted in the offers section but some get missed unintentionally. When caught they get deleted. Also, and very strictly, any posts that look remotely spammy in the rest of the forum get deleted when caught.
Take this how you will, I suspect you'll probably make another post somewhere arguing your corner again and you'll probably continue until no-one cares anymore. You'll probably slag this reply here off on 4networking also, that is up to you and likewise it will be up to the site owner there to keep your posts on there or delete them. Personally I think arguments cause a bad korma (cama or whatever) so these sort of threads get deleted as it doesn't look good to potential new members coming along and looking through these forums. So I will delete this thread once you and the other members of have contributed here have had a chance to read my reply.
I hope this explains my position
ATB
Richard
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