Phone tapping ...a Wapping scandal.
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- #163
Yes, although this is a different issue from phone hacking and the new enquiry into computer hacking. Not sure they actually broke the law but they did predujice and possibly derail any possible trial of the landlord had he been connected.
The wrongful shaming of the landlord was more about the traditional vulture reporting of the N.O.W. All very well one supposes when they nail the right person(s) as there is a huge British consumer market for vulture journalism ( I think it a complete travisty to call anyone at the N.O.W a journalist) and I am not being sanctimonious when I mention this. But the danger when they got it wrong is made very apparent by this particular story. I hope the guy got huge compensation for what must have been a hellish experience.
On the hacking story both Brookes and James Murdoch now expecting an unquantifiable measure of naivety from the British public and pariament and the judicary to keep their nonsense stories on the rails-the sweetest press story in many generations.
James Murdoch is like a an actor in a 1950's B movie. A true ham. Brookes is going to unravel quickly is my bet. Coulson remains the cool cucumber but has most to lose it seems (his liberty being on the line eventually).
More dirty linen expected soon, that much we do know.
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Who didn't already know about corruption? My point is this story is not life changing for the masses. It affects a small number of individuals and one large coporation.
You're right no doubt about RM reporting the unfolding USA deficit story. I'm sure that he will have ordered all his outlets to hype this new story as much as possible, as it will almost certainly steal public interest away from him. Good for him, but either way the USA deficit story is a much bigger deal at the end of the day!
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- #170
Mirror group now seem likely to be in as much, if not bigger, trouble than N.O.W. Another spiv run paper.
Piers in tears as he seems likely to be fired from TV in the US and he is now moving up the likely incaceration list. There are invoices around that show he knew what he knew and that was all around hacking,tapping, paying coppers and enough shame to send him to the Big House in a couple of years time .
Piers in tears as he seems likely to be fired from TV in the US and he is now moving up the likely incaceration list. There are invoices around that show he knew what he knew and that was all around hacking,tapping, paying coppers and enough shame to send him to the Big House in a couple of years time .
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- #173
The so called 'shocking ' arrest of Stuart Kuttner, former managing editor and now 71, is far from a shock ..it was on the cards from day one.
A managing editor is the guy who (with his department) would sign off on illegal payments to coppers, snoopers and hangers-on (in this case) so why the surprise? The surprise is why not sooner? He resigned in double quick time 1n 2009 when it first became apparent that no 'cover-up' would actually 'cover-up'.
He is a lynch-pin in this case and that is why he is bailed to reappear with the police before any of the others. He is damned it seems but it will be interesting to see if he swings alone which will be very hard to do or brings others tumbling down with him. It is only opinion after all but it's hard to see any of the main players in this getting away now.
This is business in the raw. This is where you find out how brittle business relationships can be when the doors are fully opened.
A managing editor is the guy who (with his department) would sign off on illegal payments to coppers, snoopers and hangers-on (in this case) so why the surprise? The surprise is why not sooner? He resigned in double quick time 1n 2009 when it first became apparent that no 'cover-up' would actually 'cover-up'.
He is a lynch-pin in this case and that is why he is bailed to reappear with the police before any of the others. He is damned it seems but it will be interesting to see if he swings alone which will be very hard to do or brings others tumbling down with him. It is only opinion after all but it's hard to see any of the main players in this getting away now.
This is business in the raw. This is where you find out how brittle business relationships can be when the doors are fully opened.
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- #175
Publication today of Clive Goodmans 2007 letter now guarantes jail time for Andy Coulson and Tom Crone and makes life very, very difficult for all the defendants when they are called.
Expect to see Rupert Murdoch ousted from Newsgroup directorshp before Christmas and things looking very dodgy for James Murdoch as well as all the UK newsgroup management that are trapped in their own web of deceit. The net will now both widen and tighten on former NOW execs.
Yeppo !!
Expect to see Rupert Murdoch ousted from Newsgroup directorshp before Christmas and things looking very dodgy for James Murdoch as well as all the UK newsgroup management that are trapped in their own web of deceit. The net will now both widen and tighten on former NOW execs.
Yeppo !!
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I wouldn't go so far as to say the letter guarantees jail time. You have to remember it was written by someone who was fighting for their job and had just been released from prison. What I find the most interesting part of today is the information NI redacted on the Clive Goodman Letter they sent to the select committee in comparison to what Harbottle & Lewis sent.
The payments to Clive Goodman after his conviction will also no doubt be of interest to the police and committee.
The longer this goes on the more we will find contradicting evidence and people trying to save their own skins.
I very much look forward to seeing James Murdoch and hopefully Rebecca Brookes in the dock.
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Only when pigs learn to fly.
I suspect trying to extradite multi billionaires could prove a tad problematic.
Earl
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Only when pigs learn to fly.
I suspect trying to extradite multi billionaires could prove a tad problematic.
Earl
James is actually British he was born here. I think most countries would bow to a request from the queen to extradite a Britain to serve at her majesty's leisure.
But they wont do it because of the bad press. Yet they will happily see the people taking the orders who are not billionaires get locked up.
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As the lad has US citizenship.
When was the last time the US allowed one of its sons to stand trial in a british court?
Unlike our wimpey lot of brown nosed Joe's
Earl
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- #181
OK.How about I say jail time is guaranteed for Coulson (even without the letter)
His conviction is the best racing certainty since Lester Piggot was jailed for tax evasion way back when...
Rebecca Brrokes/Wade is different, dont ask me why as I am not sure. Something tells me she may find a rat hole in all this.
However, If the UK doesn't nail James Murdoch the US will for sure..time ..it's all about time now. This will all take time as the authorities are dealing with the most cunning of foxes in this affair.
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- #182
Just read that Brookes is in line for a £4million payout if she keeps her gob shut for the next 3/4 months !
Also Tom Crone £1.5million (former NOW lawyer)
Jon Chapman £1.6million ( also former lawyer)
So this is Murdoch operating blackmail in reverse...(bribes to the rest of us)
Who says you can't try and buy justice ...just like info from coppers and mps if you are a Murdoch employee ? Been going on since the 70's at leat.
It's all now so public, though without too much public interest, that nothing including all his money will save Murdoch and son from ultimate disgrace and ousting...prison for others of course..except the foxey Rebbekah Broookes though she knew it all same as Coulson.
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Just read that Brookes is in line for a £4million payout if she keeps her gob shut for the next 3/4 months !
Also Tom Crone £1.5million (former NOW lawyer)
Jon Chapman £1.6million ( also former lawyer)
So this is Murdoch operating blackmail in reverse...(bribes to the rest of us)
Who says you can't try and buy justice ...just like info from coppers and mps if you are a Murdoch employee ? Been going on since the 70's at least.
It's all now so public, though without too much public interest, that nothing including all his money will save Murdoch and son from ultimate disgrace and ousting...prison for others of course..except just possibly the foxey Rebbekah Brookes though she knew it all same as Coulson.
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The above was written by me in April 2011. 16 months later the first real charges come.
Now I am not saying I told you so...but in fact I told you so. Dave is now in touble. The prosecution of Andy Coulson will be very difficult for David Cameron.
My guess now is that some rabbit will have to come out of a hat to save Coulson from jail. Rebekah is a certainty for jail if you are a betting person. She is also in the dock for perverting the course of justice...and will not go down quietly..thats also a certainty. Several former execs of News International will end up sewing mailbags or whatever it is old lags do these days.
Only in the last couple of days have Express Newspapers and Trinity Mirror been seriously brought into the bull ring. There will be charges there too. The Mail is the other big one that has yet to be dragged into this...but it will be. That will be a great day..
Meanwhile canny Murdoch has quietly resigned from the Newscorp interests in UK newspapers...I wonder if he has managed to limbo dance his way off the hook ? Son James will still be clobbered and many more charges expected with former executives of NOW and also the boys in blue facing trials that could end in incaceration. There is no end in sight for this runaway train...plenty to come.
Rebekah Brooks is today reported as being 'distressesd and angry' ....well whoopee Rebekah. I am sure a lot of people will NOT be joining in your crocodile tears.
The CPS and DPP now have to make sure this stuff sticks.
Porridge anyone ?
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There are lots of curious threads in this tawdry story of corruption within the newspaper business and thats what makes it a good business story.
Take the seemingly benign David Blunkett MP (he with the guide dog). He Had a run with Rupert Murdoch over phone tapping and mysteriously ends up with a column in the NOW same as one of the coppers who cosied up to Rupert's team.Blunkett was paid extremely well for that column.Then the tide changed again and so did Blunkett.he is now queueing up with Paul Macartney,Hugh Grant and others for another big payday. Blunkett is a very curious fella and scratching the surface of his dealings with people would show a man far more suited to the court of Henry V111 THAN MODERN PARLIAMENT, in those days he would have lost his head...changing sides so much puts ones neck in serious jeopardy. Needless to say I am no fan of Blunkett...he is the 'not so soft' underbelly of Labour.
Take the seemingly benign David Blunkett MP (he with the guide dog). He Had a run with Rupert Murdoch over phone tapping and mysteriously ends up with a column in the NOW same as one of the coppers who cosied up to Rupert's team.Blunkett was paid extremely well for that column.Then the tide changed again and so did Blunkett.he is now queueing up with Paul Macartney,Hugh Grant and others for another big payday. Blunkett is a very curious fella and scratching the surface of his dealings with people would show a man far more suited to the court of Henry V111 THAN MODERN PARLIAMENT, in those days he would have lost his head...changing sides so much puts ones neck in serious jeopardy. Needless to say I am no fan of Blunkett...he is the 'not so soft' underbelly of Labour.
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- #189
No inside info. This is like horse racing. I am a close studier of form and horses for courses. You have to be watching for all sorts of signals and those allegedly heading for the high jump have plenty of form to mark them out from the field.
Phone tapping particularly the Milly Dowler case is not necessarily the main thrust of any future charges- it is a high profile and easily identifiable starting point. What may follow will have more serious consequences once they get to who authorised the deeds that went way beyond one case. This case (MD) is one serious example but there will be more charges to come one imagines. The police will be keeping a very close eye on a few of these charged people and a few of their own who look increasingly close to the edge.
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Try to get more sleep ,staying awake worrying about who said what to whom is really not that important.
Most will be more concerned with the 3 hour queue's caused by the olympic lanes.
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Try to get more sleep ,staying awake worrying about who said what to whom is really not that important.
Most will be more concerned with the 3 hour queue's caused by the olympic lanes.
Its not what I wrote or alluded to.
Its just sooo boorish. Flamng away just inside the guidelines, no wonder so may leave this site >
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Try to get more sleep ,staying awake worrying about who said what to whom is really not that important.
Most will be more concerned with the 3 hour queue's caused by the olympic lanes.
Perhaps. But I'm one of those keeping tabs on the story, given that I'm trying to raise funds to bring my own action against Newsgroup.
When news first broke of the impending closure of the News of the World, I was tempted to dance naked in the street. I was buzzing for days. Since then, it's been fun to watch one of the people I have hated for the past 12 years squirm in his shoes and seeing his empire slowly crumble around him.
It won't be the end of Murdoch and his empire. But it will be for some of his minions. Although I never had dealings with Neville Thurlbeck, I have followed his career closely since I first dug into the operations of the NoW. The guy is pure scum, so it was interesting to see that he's one of those charged. Even more interesting has been his indignation at being charged and the 'damage' it has done to his reputation. If anything, it's only 'enhanced' his reputation ... given that his reputation was in the negative anyway.
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Did they in some way damage you?
I think the lesson is that mobile phones are not secure from prying ears and the manufacturers should warn the public of this.
I think the clue to this might have been in ww2 with station X and Alan Turings brilliant work.
Of course they won't.
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Perhaps. But I'm one of those keeping tabs on the story, given that I'm trying to raise funds to bring my own action against Newsgroup.
When news first broke of the impending closure of the News of the World, I was tempted to dance naked in the street. I was buzzing for days. Since then, it's been fun to watch one of the people I have hated for the past 12 years squirm in his shoes and seeing his empire slowly crumble around him.
It won't be the end of Murdoch and his empire. But it will be for some of his minions. Although I never had dealings with Neville Thurlbeck, I have followed his career closely since I first dug into the operations of the NoW. The guy is pure scum, so it was interesting to see that he's one of those charged. Even more interesting has been his indignation at being charged and the 'damage' it has done to his reputation. If anything, it's only 'enhanced' his reputation ... given that his reputation was in the negative anyway.
Thurkbeck is on his way to jail. Have no doubt on that one.Its just where and how long. The whole thing is a shambles if he wriggles out and there are poweful forces at play now...If I had a farm I would bet it on Thurlbeck getting a few years in the Big House.
Also Rupert Murdoch is fatally wounded-His family are in a tailspin of back stabbing and the big shareholders in the US will have him shuffled out and into some medical facility by the spring of 2013 at the latest. He has already had to quietly cut ties with his UK shareholdings which would have hurt him deeply. The difference between the two being Thurlbeck will know he is for the high jump and Rupert can't remember.
To bring any private action against the holding compny of NOW will cost a mint, surely better to grab onto the coat-tail of others ?
Talking of which David Blunkett. Labour MP, is still being paid by Newscorp.£49,500 for one day a month as an adviser. This comes after his ghost wriiten column in the classic Sunday Redtop which earned him a very cool £150,000 a year for nothing. Blunkett is now on the coat tails of much higher profile bods that are suing NOW for hacking. Blunketts payoff for having been hacked was the column...now he is back for double-bubble on the other side. Blunketts' entire political and personal life is well overdue for a NOW type expose. A rotten tomato if ever there was one.
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One option will be to bring down the evil, scheming, liar who gave them the 'story'. Haven't seen her in 12 years but I do know her whereabouts. I'd have to bring any action without the aid of a lawyer. I did a law degree some 6 years ago, but this is the first time I've used it to take action against someone.
Libel laws are outdated. They are full of contradictions. There is no protection to ordinary people, who need the protection the most. A famous person who is libelled is unlikely to encounter the same problems or slur on his character. They are far more likely to have other opportunities to communicate the truth through interviews and press releases. They are much less likely to be lynched or shunned by others. And with the number of stories about them, such libelous stories will be relegated to footnotes fairly quickly ... for an ordinary person it could be the ONLY thing people remember or know about them. And on top of that, ordinary people are the ones most likely in need of reparations. What does a person already with millions in the bank need with a few thousand pounds?
Of course, that's a generalisation. The Max Moseley story was so shocking and bizarre that it's what people remember about him. He also lost a substantial amount of money because his winnings in court didn't cover his costs.
Libel laws in the UK are a farcical mess.
I've wondered where newspapers get their money from. The quality of tabloid journalism in the UK has never been great. At their height, Newsgroup seemed to be in court at least once a month defending a story. In any other business, if an employee had bent the rules, got caught out and lost the business a six-figure sum in a damages payout, he'd be out on his ear. But not in this sordid industry.
So they can obviously afford to pay silly sums in damages, sillier sums to guest writers and even sillier sums for 'exclusives' with evil, scheming, liars.
And we just have to sit here and accept it. I'm not expecting anything to really change after the Leveson inquiry, BTW.
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It could all be good news for Tommy Sheridan.
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...l-probe-in-light-of-hacking-scandal-1-2439481
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