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I couldn’t find a relevant thread so I thought I would ask here.
I have been helping out a company externally since December and I formally joined a company in February as a Director (not a shareholder). It was experiencing cash flow issues with suppliers but had a history of extreme growth, solid profitability and had positive forecasts to trade it's way out of difficulty. Cash flow issues were caused by ramping up assets prior to me joining in anticipation of our biggest customers growth expectations.
Within two weeks of my appointment, that same customer went into administration owing a huge amount to the company (uninsured) and wiped off significant future revenues. We let our asset lenders know to get payment holidays (as the invoices were funded by our invoice finance facility) and got HMRC in to present the situation and our plans for resolution. HMRC put in a TTP. We quickly replaced the lost revenue but it wasn't as profitable. Over the last 4 months our HMRC debt has built up to roughly £900k which they kindly added into the TTP agreement. £750k in PAYE over 5 years and £150k in VAT over 2 years. I also personally loaned the company £40k to help it out with a signed agreement it would be paid back in two weeks, which the company was unable to do. We were in the process of securing a £500k long term loan from an associated company to reduce our creditors.
Up until last week (when we lost another customer and the replacement customer reduced our volumes), our forecasts have shown an ability to generate cash and pay down the liabilities. Forecasts produced on 16th June show that is no longer the case and we contacted an insolvency practitioner on the 17th. We are in the process of discussing a pre-pack administration or potential liquidation but I have some concerns for myself.
The MD has transferred me £20k back of the loan this week as I desperately needed it. It's 2 months overdue but some other suppliers and HMRC have obviously been waiting longer. We have been paying lots of suppliers since that loan. IPs have also told us to continue paying key suppliers whilst we discuss the potential of a pre-pack administration to ensure the business doesn't fail over the next few weeks. I have come to the realisation the rest of this loan is likely now lost but I'm also concerned that the £20k would be seen as preferential treatment and bring my conduct into question. I didn't do this personally, the MD processed it after I sent an email staing how far overdue it was. I raised this with the IP and they didn't seem concerned. Am I at risk here?
I'm also concerned that HMRC will disqualify me on the basis of not paying the crown. It's all currently in a TTP arrangement apart from our most recent PAYE (which fell overdue after beginning discussions with IPs) and they've given us long terms on the TTPs because we've presented our ability to resolve the matter but I'm not sure it protects me now that circumstances have changed. Will they likely disqualify me as the majority of that debt is in relation to the time I have been a Director? We haven't buried our heads, we've been in good contact with HMRC which is why they've given us such long terms.
More crucial for me of course the liklihood that HMRC will hold me personally responsible for any of the debt. It would risk my wife and kids home if they do, I'm not an exceptionally wealthy person and that £40k is all I have. I negotiated a healthy salary when joining the company (higher end of market rate but not above it) so I'm concerned my salary might even be considered as malfeasance, although that was negotiated before I was listed as a Director, obviously.
So I suppose I'm asking how exposed I am on the following:
- Personal liability of debts owed to HMRC
- Disqualification for unfitness trying to trade our way through financial difficulty
- Disqualification for 50% repayment of loan
- Disqualification for malfeasance based on salary
- Disqualification for trading whilst insolvent if the pre-pack isn't successful
In all honesty, I have no idea how HMRC or IPs view this but am hoping that there are elements that work in my favour. We have a strong trading history, I have only been a Director for 4 months and I also have debts left in the company. I'm desperately worried that my family will be impacted more than the £20k I've lost and everything I read online is making that worse. I've poured all I have into helping this company through difficulty with only a short-term involvement but now I'm worried I've ruined everything for myself.
I'm in a state thinking this could impact my family.
I have been helping out a company externally since December and I formally joined a company in February as a Director (not a shareholder). It was experiencing cash flow issues with suppliers but had a history of extreme growth, solid profitability and had positive forecasts to trade it's way out of difficulty. Cash flow issues were caused by ramping up assets prior to me joining in anticipation of our biggest customers growth expectations.
Within two weeks of my appointment, that same customer went into administration owing a huge amount to the company (uninsured) and wiped off significant future revenues. We let our asset lenders know to get payment holidays (as the invoices were funded by our invoice finance facility) and got HMRC in to present the situation and our plans for resolution. HMRC put in a TTP. We quickly replaced the lost revenue but it wasn't as profitable. Over the last 4 months our HMRC debt has built up to roughly £900k which they kindly added into the TTP agreement. £750k in PAYE over 5 years and £150k in VAT over 2 years. I also personally loaned the company £40k to help it out with a signed agreement it would be paid back in two weeks, which the company was unable to do. We were in the process of securing a £500k long term loan from an associated company to reduce our creditors.
Up until last week (when we lost another customer and the replacement customer reduced our volumes), our forecasts have shown an ability to generate cash and pay down the liabilities. Forecasts produced on 16th June show that is no longer the case and we contacted an insolvency practitioner on the 17th. We are in the process of discussing a pre-pack administration or potential liquidation but I have some concerns for myself.
The MD has transferred me £20k back of the loan this week as I desperately needed it. It's 2 months overdue but some other suppliers and HMRC have obviously been waiting longer. We have been paying lots of suppliers since that loan. IPs have also told us to continue paying key suppliers whilst we discuss the potential of a pre-pack administration to ensure the business doesn't fail over the next few weeks. I have come to the realisation the rest of this loan is likely now lost but I'm also concerned that the £20k would be seen as preferential treatment and bring my conduct into question. I didn't do this personally, the MD processed it after I sent an email staing how far overdue it was. I raised this with the IP and they didn't seem concerned. Am I at risk here?
I'm also concerned that HMRC will disqualify me on the basis of not paying the crown. It's all currently in a TTP arrangement apart from our most recent PAYE (which fell overdue after beginning discussions with IPs) and they've given us long terms on the TTPs because we've presented our ability to resolve the matter but I'm not sure it protects me now that circumstances have changed. Will they likely disqualify me as the majority of that debt is in relation to the time I have been a Director? We haven't buried our heads, we've been in good contact with HMRC which is why they've given us such long terms.
More crucial for me of course the liklihood that HMRC will hold me personally responsible for any of the debt. It would risk my wife and kids home if they do, I'm not an exceptionally wealthy person and that £40k is all I have. I negotiated a healthy salary when joining the company (higher end of market rate but not above it) so I'm concerned my salary might even be considered as malfeasance, although that was negotiated before I was listed as a Director, obviously.
So I suppose I'm asking how exposed I am on the following:
- Personal liability of debts owed to HMRC
- Disqualification for unfitness trying to trade our way through financial difficulty
- Disqualification for 50% repayment of loan
- Disqualification for malfeasance based on salary
- Disqualification for trading whilst insolvent if the pre-pack isn't successful
In all honesty, I have no idea how HMRC or IPs view this but am hoping that there are elements that work in my favour. We have a strong trading history, I have only been a Director for 4 months and I also have debts left in the company. I'm desperately worried that my family will be impacted more than the £20k I've lost and everything I read online is making that worse. I've poured all I have into helping this company through difficulty with only a short-term involvement but now I'm worried I've ruined everything for myself.
I'm in a state thinking this could impact my family.
