Office Sandwich Delivery

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Thanks for your reply, AVC. I am indeed thinking to hire refrigerated vans for the delivery service.

My question is how can i minimize the number of delivery vans /drivers. ie 10 orders to 10 different locations for 1:00pm lunch time. :|:|:|
Since i am thinking to delivery hot food as well, soup,hot platter etc, timing is quite important.

Thanks, :)
Jo
 
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Jo - I have answered your PM with some advice about the delivery side of things. You only have to get the hot food delivered around lunchtime, (not the cold, this would do anytime between about 10am and 1.30 ish) and this would work if you did it like the chinese and pizza takeaways do (but you get your orders in advance) and plan a route. Yes, you will need more than one delivery vehicle after a while, and it is a really good advert for your business if you have a clean, tidy van with good sign writing on, but the expense involved as a business start up if you have to buy or lease more than 1 van would be quite high.
 
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jochq

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Jo - I have answered your PM with some advice about the delivery side of things. You only have to get the hot food delivered around lunchtime, (not the cold, this would do anytime between about 10am and 1.30 ish) and this would work if you did it like the chinese and pizza takeaways do (but you get your orders in advance) and plan a route. Yes, you will need more than one delivery vehicle after a while, and it is a really good advert for your business if you have a clean, tidy van with good sign writing on, but the expense involved as a business start up if you have to buy or lease more than 1 van would be quite high.

Hi Gina,
Thanks for your reply in here and in PM. Sorry about the duplications :) :redface:
 
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There's a lot to consider when you want to set up your own business, Jiffy Trucks make vehicles especially for this - they're well known in the industry and can help with loads of advice on getting started, hints and tips on best practice to make your round successful. The best thing is low overheads and potential really good daily returns (around £400-£600) day.

Website currently in process of being updated, but you'll get an idea of the vehicles from Jiffy Trucks website or call on 01274 596000. A great team here, who genuinely want to support those in the industry to succeed and do it well :). ps we're about to partner in offering training too, which is supported and subsidised by Business Link.
 
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Hi have you looked at Jiffy Trucks? They're specially designed delivery vehicles for hot and cold food which provide solutions to lots of the question posed here! There's lots to think about when you're starting out, - but we have much experience across the team here to help find the right information. The web site's in the process of being updated, but you'll get a idea from googling Jiffy Trucks. Training, support and guidance and best practice are all part of what we can offer. You can call on 01274 596000. Hope this helps.
 
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If anyone is thinking of selling sandwiches to retail outlets (shops, petrol stations, vending companies) we are selling a "Hinge Action film sealer" - a really useful bit of kit. It heat seals film onto open plastic sandwich wedges, giving a professional finish, and a longer shelf life.
These things cost £980 (+vat) new, and the rolls of film about £70 for 4 (one roll will seal hundreds of sandwiches) - ours is only 6 months old, and as new.
See it here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=180334309327
and if you're interested, please PM me.
 
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Hi, Have just joined this forum on the strength of the great advice from everyone and the obvious commitment to what you all do or want to do for a living.
I have been selling take-away coffees from my van for just over 12 months now and love every minute of it (even though the profits are not NEARLY as huge a people wil lead you to believe)
I mainly do shows, festivals & events but this year the Catering Trade Stand fees have gone through the roof, so I haven't been able to book as many as last year.
I recently got a PEDDLARS LICENCE issued by the police and 'phoned round all the Councils within 50 mile radius of my address to ask what the restrictions were on my stopping in laybys etc. to sell. NONE of them even knew what a peddlars licence was and told me to try it and take my chances with being moved on. The law hasn't been changed for peddlars since 1871, so I'm not sure what I would be prosecuted for if I was approached by the police (who issued the licence in the first place)
Also I have been trying to start a coffee round on Industrial & Business Parks and Halls of Residence in my area but again am finding it impossible to find out who I get permission from. Some say the Landlords who own the ground, some say the Business Park Management, Planning, Environmental Health, Economic Developments. I have been round in circles for weeks, that is when anyone can be bothered to return my calls.
Any advice or ideas about what to do next please??
many thanks
Marie
 
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Hi Marie,

I am looking at starting a catering round in the next few weeks and as far as I beleive you dont need to ask anyones permssion if you are parking up on say a car park or private road for a few minutes at a time. However what I plan to do is introduce myself to the receptionists at the offices ask if it will be ok to pop my van outside, when it would be convenient and to ask how many people they think will be interested. I think you only need a traders licence if you plan to park on public roads for long periods.
 
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Always best to ask if you are parking in the carpark belonging to a business, as you are actually trespassing otherwise. I found it better to park in a "neutral" area - on the road near several businesses, then you can service them all at the same time. You don't need permission for this, unless you plan to stay in one place only, ather than being mobile. It is sometimes a courtesy to inform the police of your route and stopping points, then they can advise if you are likely to cause an obstruction, but that's common sense, anyway.

Hi Marie,

I am looking at starting a catering round in the next few weeks and as far as I beleive you dont need to ask anyones permssion if you are parking up on say a car park or private road for a few minutes at a time. However what I plan to do is introduce myself to the receptionists at the offices ask if it will be ok to pop my van outside, when it would be convenient and to ask how many people they think will be interested. I think you only need a traders licence if you plan to park on public roads for long periods.
 
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I think ginantonic summed it up better than me!

Out of interest I know in your previous posts you mentioned you had a bit of trouble with existing rounds, threats etc, how did you deal with it? I'm worried because as soon as I mention I'm starting a round that all anyones says! "sandwich wars" is the term I hear most. I dont plan to step on anyones toes and to deliver at different times but I'm sure our paths will cross at some point?
 
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Hi again and thanks for both the helpful replies.
The closest business park to me has about 20 offices (it's one of those posh environmental parks) and I did exactly what you have both suggested, introduced myself at the main reception, which seemed to be owned by the Park Management, who told me to go away and get planning permission!. I then introduced myself to each office individually, who said that without landlords permission it was a no go. It has lots of lovely walkways and ponds and hundreds of staff, too many to deliver and too many to only be about for a cuple of minutes. I was really hoping for about an hour in the afternoon (3pm/coffee and cake time).
I decided not to try the smaller ones as they would expect delivery, which is not really what I want to do with hot drinks. I was going to let the offices know what time I was there and see how popular it became.
I won't give up and will try again, maybe give the smaller estates a chance and see what happens, but if there is any more advice out there to be had, I'd be grateful to know if anyone else has had this "brick-wall" approach .. oh dear, the festivals are so much easier, shame they cost an arm and a leg this year!!
Cheers Marie
 
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I would think with the coffee sales you would be struggling, as most offices (especially the posher ones) have coffee facilities/free vending machines, so why would they come out to you to buy one? I would diversify a bit, and stick to the afternoon tea thing - we did, as there is a bit of scope to provide afternoon buffets for meetings, where a few small sandwiches and cakes are what is required. They usually provide their own tea/drinks.
 
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AndrewU - the sandwich war thing is still going on - insurance for vans is quite high because they often get torched. Don't let it put you off too much though, as I think there is enough for everyone. Just don't do your round at the same time as anyone else! The idea of introducing yourself to companies and getting them to book a certain time for you to call on them is the best, that way, you are not technically nicking someone's business, as the company has asked for you, not them.
 
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Hi Marie,

I am looking at starting a catering round in the next few weeks and as far as I beleive you dont need to ask anyones permssion if you are parking up on say a car park or private road for a few minutes at a time. However what I plan to do is introduce myself to the receptionists at the offices ask if it will be ok to pop my van outside, when it would be convenient and to ask how many people they think will be interested. I think you only need a traders licence if you plan to park on public roads for long periods.

Hi there iam starting up my own jiffy round just to see how you are getting on.
 
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Hi there iam starting up my own jiffy round just to see how you are getting on.

Hi, well its the start of the third week and things aren't to bad, I've got a basic round of 19 stops and now just trying to increase the number of stops and replace the ones that aren't working. The first week was tough and I thought I'd made a bad decision but I've now got regulars and although I'm not making a fortune I can see progress. I've you want any help of advice just let me know!

cheers Andrew
 
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If you were in the UK, you'd need a Food Hygiene Certificate. This is required by law for all food handlers. Since you're not in the the UK you'll need to meet whatever legal requirements there are in your country.

You can quite easily get the UK Food Hygiene Certificate by doing an online course for £25. If you don't need the certificate... you can try this instead. I've written a series of articles broadly similar to the course offered by the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health for its Food Hygiene Certificate. If you are going to sell food to the public, I strongly urge you to follow correct food hygiene procedures otherwise you could end up killing people.

You can access my series of articles here (all free).

http://www.notdelia.co.uk/food-hygiene/

Good luck with your new business!
 
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Hi, well its the start of the third week and things aren't to bad, I've got a basic round of 19 stops and now just trying to increase the number of stops and replace the ones that aren't working. The first week was tough and I thought I'd made a bad decision but I've now got regulars and although I'm not making a fortune I can see progress. I've you want any help of advice just let me know!

cheers Andrew

Hi there thanks for replying back, sounds like you are doing well what are your hours of work, i am waiting on the health inspector coming out do you know if you need a portable sink in the jiffy van as i have not got one. Where are you getting your stock i will be getting mine from my local cash and carry bookers. Do you make the sandwhichs,wraps yourself and do you sell baked potatoes. How many more people do the same thing in your area. look forward to hearing your reply hope you do well all the best! tasha.
 
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Hi there thanks for replying back, sounds like you are doing well what are your hours of work, i am waiting on the health inspector coming out do you know if you need a portable sink in the jiffy van as i have not got one. Where are you getting your stock i will be getting mine from my local cash and carry bookers. Do you make the sandwhichs,wraps yourself and do you sell baked potatoes. How many more people do the same thing in your area. look forward to hearing your reply hope you do well all the best! tasha.


Hi Tasha, At the moment I get up at 5.30, my 1st stop is 9am and my last 1.15pm, I'm normally finished prepping for the next day by 4 unless I need to go to Bookers then its later. Im not sure about the sink, mine has one and I think it is a requirement if your selling hot food but EH will tell you. All my stock is either bakers, Bookers or tescos.

I make all the sarnies, baguettes, salad pots, sausage/bacon baps myself and buy in fresh pastys from the same baker. I tried baked pototos last week and didn't sell a single one! They are cheap to buy so good profit, just didn't get much interest. The town I live in has quite a few vans, 2 other jiffys, one sandwich and one icecream burger van so I have also started in the neighbouring town which has a lot less vans which is getting better for me as there some industrial estates that have no vans at all!!:D

It is very hard work and I've thought I made a big mistake a few times but when you have a good day and the suns out it makes it all worthwhile. Let me know how you get on. Good Luck Andrew
 
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The early starts and long sunny days are fine in the summer, but a killer in the winter! Jacket potatoes will sell better when it's cold, too - it's coming up to salad bowl and fruit salad weather now, so concentrate on those.
 
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I'm interested in doing an office delivery round. What do you guys use to carry all your sarnies and snacks in. I've thought about a basket, but I don't want to just throw it all in there as it will look messy. It would also be good idea to try and maximise the amount of food I can carry between offices so I don't have to keep going back to the carpark to grab more stock. Any help on these points would be great. Does anyone know a cheap supplier for film fronted bags and hair nets?
thanks
Ben
 
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lungate

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Thanks for posting this information. I found it useful, as I am also looking at starting a sandwich delivery service in my local area. My town is full of trading estates, some of which have food vans situated outside selling hot food only. I wanted to start off doing this from home and in the future perhaps running a shop selling and delivering from that.

I am under no illusions that it will require hard work and dedication but there is nothing more motivitating then runnning your own business. I am so miserable where I work at the moment and want to do something I will enjoy and work towards something that is completely my own.

Unfortuantely I have alot of inspiration but have no knowledge of where to start, especially what with all the Health & Safety & Legal legislation to consider ( if only they sold a step by step guide on starting a small business for dummies ;)!!).

I only have a small house with a small kitchen so im wondering if runnnig it from my home would be possible. I'm guessing I will need to save for my start up capital for supplies etc and then start on my market research, which I was considering this in the way of questionnaires but I need to think about how to get these back. Any advice on where to start would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

Laura
 
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If you take a look on www.countyfetes.co.uk there is loads of info on starting up. Regarding your kitchen, there are certain guidlines have to be followed - if you ring your Council's Environmental Health dept, they will send you some info, or just call in and pick it up. You will also need your Food & Hygiene Certificate, which you can do online for about £30 or ask at your local college or sometimes the Council run them. Another thing you will need is Liability Insurance (just in case you poison anyone...) which will cost you about £12 a month, try Mobilers, they're good.
It's just a matter of learning the ropes - can you get some part time work with a sandwich company (obviously not telling them why!) it's the fastest way to learn.
Re the questionnaires...not always the best approach, as people just can't be bothered with them. If you are thinking of supplying to businesses, approach them first; do a flyer/menu and leave it with them for a week or so, then ring them and ask them their level of interest. Most will say they've already got someone, but some will be interested.
Lastly, take a look at some of the old threads on here about starting a sandwich business, there's loads and loads of info there.
Good luck with it, you sound determined enough to make it work.
 
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lungate

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Thanks for reply & the link, which I will have a good look at. I have been looking through some of the old threads posted here which have been really helpful. I am hoping to do my CIEH Food Safety level 2 Catering course on the 9th July so I will be at least one step in the right direction at least. Thanks for the market research advice, will try the flyrers and see how well recieved these are. Also thanks for the insurance details.

Sorry to sound like such a newb but how do I go about pricing or is it just a case of researching the current market/competition & looking at covering overheads e.g petrol etc. I am currently in full time employment and as most of us have kids, debts/bills to pay, so I gather I would need to do a lot of market research especially before giving up my full time job (as you can imagine I am quite determined but also have reservations) Where you in full time employment that wasn't related to your sandich business before you decided on go it alone?
 
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I decided to give up a well paid job because it was on a fixed term 12 month contract, and I couldn't do with the uncertainty every year. So what do I do? Become self employed with even more uncertainty!
Re the prices, beg, borrow or steal menus/pricelists off your competitors, then you can either undercut them, or offer something a lot better.
You aim to make at least 100% profit in catering, otherwise you will find you are working for next to nothing.
When we did sandwiches, we sold them for eg deep fill cheese salad £1.60 (in the shop) or sold them to retailers for £1 each.
You just have to shop around for ingredients - we found the supermarket (Morrison's) best for bread, salad, cheese, ham etc, and the bakery for rolls. Cash and carry for cans of pop, crisps, etc.
You will not survive on income from the sandwich business alone for quite a long time,as you obviously have to build up your customer base, and it is very competitive. Can you cut your full time job hours down? Then you would at least have a guaranteed wage coming in until you got going.
 
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My employers might let me drop some hours only for a good reason e.g childcare or something on the basis that they are legally required to help me but otherwise probably not as the job is quite stressful even for someone full time.

I could always look for part time work, although job hunting is proving to be difficult due to the recession. My husband said he would support me as much as he could financially but unforntunately he won't be able to keep us a float on everything that we have to pay out so, although I don't really want to, I may have to postpone the business idea until we are in a better position financially. I hate that i'm so sensible:)
 
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Was plannung to sell mostly cold food but was hoping to sell jacket potatoes as well. Have not got a Jiffy van as of yet. I have been looking on the internet for price ranges. I remember when I worked in London a guy use to come round & deliver sandwiches from his shop out of the back of his car, he had coolers etc so was thinking to research this as a possibility but would need to figure out about the hot food.
 
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When we first started, we used the polystyrene boxes that aquatic shops get fish in - they will often just give them away, or at least sell them for pennies. They have a lid, too, and we just lined them with those blue iceblock things. It worked for quite a while, then we bought a chiller from Halford's that ran off the cig lighter (it was half price in a sale, but still cost £70!) it didn't work all that well, in fact the poly boxes were better. We also did jacket spuds, but kept them in a chiller bag (which also keeps things hot).
Obviously a Jiffy van would be better, there's somewhere on the East Coast (Boston, I think) that leases them as well as selling them. Expensive to start with, though.
 
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I have been doing this exact business for over 10 years and there is a general percentage you should work to. If you work on 10% of the number of employees will buy from you you shouldnt go to far wrong. That being said 150 a day is acheivable but it is unusual because a lot of people want to get into this market and think it is easy to do so so in some areas there are 30-40 different companies vying for the same business.
 
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Guys,

Thank you for your very useful comments. I have been asked to provide a sandwich/lunch run to an office building three minutes walk from my shop which has 2000 + employees.
We already make food on the premises and everyone has at least a level 2 food safety certificate.
I would like to know the following if you could help.

1) Going to get a van (probably transit connect or small citroen sized). Was thinking of putting a fridge in it or would you use cool boxes ?

2) If you use cool boxes can you resell the sandwiches i.e. made on a monday, taken out but not sold can they be sold on a tuesday ?

3) How many sandwiches can the average employee make in an hour ?

4) What sells best. Sandwiches, rolls, wraps, bagettes, etc ?

5) what packaging do you use ?

6) Any useful tips for setting up the van i.e shelving etc ?

Thanks

Paul
 
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I would like to set-up a small office sandwich delivery business but don't know how to start. Which assets to purchase? How to organize deliveries? Would 300 sandwiches per day be enough to start with? Would I need a delivery van? To start with, me and my business partner would make sandwiches, part-time staff will make deliveries. Is 150 sandwiches a lot for one to sell?

The business will not be in the UK, and in my country (office deliveries) this is something completely new. Let's hope it works!

Thx. :)
first you need to do your home work go and talk to some offices local to you or where you want to work. see if you can get some orders and then take it from there good luck
 
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1) Going to get a van (probably transit connect or small citroen sized). Was thinking of putting a fridge in it or would you use cool boxes ?

2) If you use cool boxes can you resell the sandwiches i.e. made on a monday, taken out but not sold can they be sold on a tuesday ?

3) How many sandwiches can the average employee make in an hour ?

4) What sells best. Sandwiches, rolls, wraps, bagettes, etc ?

5) what packaging do you use ?

6) Any useful tips for setting up the van i.e shelving etc ?

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Paul

1. A fridge van would be better, but if your budget won't stretch to this, use polystyrene boxes with lids (get them from an aquarium shop) with cool blocks in. We used them for a whole summer, they worked really well.
2. I wouldn't sell sandwiches the next day, coolboxes aren't temperature controlled. If you make them and keep them in a fridge you're OK selling them the next day.
3. I am fast, and can make, seal, and label 30-35 sandwiches an hour (using a sandwich sealing machine - can do more if using hinged wedges)
4. Rolls sell best as they are usually cheaper than sandwiches, depends on your type of customer, eg we found blokes on building sites preferred rolls, female office workers preferred sandwiches.
5. Plastic sandwich wedges, either with a hinged lid, or open wedges if you have a sealing machine (expensive at £1,000 but makes much more professional looking sandwiches, especially if you are selling to retail outlets.) 2 thick bread sandwiches you'll need size 030.
5. Initially, we used the large bread trays the bakery supplied the cobs in, as they hold a lot, and stack up about 6 high.
Are you up to speed with labelling regs?
Hope this helps. :D
 
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Ginantonic

Thank you very much for your reply. the above information is very useful. I don't know much about labeling regs but I am aware that they are being very tight. I was told by the health inspectors that I had to have a list of 17 substances displayed in my store in case people were allergic. Having looked at what the big boys are doing I couldn't find a trace !

I assume you now use a fridge for deliveries. I am estimating 10-15% as per a previous post which is 200-300 sandwichs a day. I don't expect to start at this but again would a small van be big enough or should I go for a larger vehicle.

I don't want to steal your ideas or business plan but if you would be prepared to speak with me one day/evening that would be a massive help. I'm not sure how but if you can message me or type my user name into google and contact me via the website I will call you back.

Thanks

Paul
 
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I am also just about to start this up a sandwich delivery could not get enough funds together for a Shop[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I am looking at a small office with sink or trade unit.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Will have a part time employee working 3 days per week 20hrs per week[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I have seen then van i want, designed fliers and menu's, lettering for van and uniforms with company details.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I have worked this out so far[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Those to run at no profit I need to sell 65+ a days[/FONT]
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']And to take a wage and small profit for business 150+[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I already have a guaranteed 45 sandwiches twice a week totalling 90 so far. I could explain how if you want to know.[/FONT]
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If anyone wants to chat over the phone regarding any issue or to bounce idea off let me know, as my start up site will have things like Skype built in for this reason.
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